What makes you think the doom and gloom is exclusively from non-owners? I own a Vita, and I feel that this system won't last too long if Sony continues this direction with the system for another year. Like another poster said, the only game on the horizon that interests me is Ys IV, which is a remake of a 19 year old game..
Just what is Sony doing with Vita? If they've given-up, they should just kill it.
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What makes you think the doom and gloom is exclusively from non-owners? I own a Vita, and I feel that this system won't last too long if Sony continues this direction with the system for another year. Like another poster said, the only game on the horizon that interests me is Ys IV, which is a remake of a 19 year old game..
I love my vita AND I think it's doomed. what does that make me?
I tried to get some vita games for the best buy b2g1 sale, took me forever to even find the Vita section and when I got there it was completely barren and devoid of any recent vita releases. (and this is the bestbuy in the middle of game friendly Seattle)
next week I got some games at target for their b2g1 sale(again in a major urban area), guy ringing me up in the electronics section "oh they make Assasin's Creed for vista[sic] now?"
it doesn't help that the games with all the marketing push end up being mediocre (Ass creed liberation)
I tried to get some vita games for the best buy b2g1 sale, took me forever to even find the Vita section and when I got there it was completely barren and devoid of any recent vita releases. (and this is the bestbuy in the middle of game friendly Seattle)
next week I got some games at target for their b2g1 sale(again in a major urban area), guy ringing me up in the electronics section "oh they make Assasin's Creed for vista[sic] now?"
it doesn't help that the games with all the marketing push end up being mediocre (Ass creed liberation)
Uncharted GA was actually quite good when it wasn't being a gimmicky mess. If it wasn't for that it would be the second best in the series behind Uncharted 2
From everything I've seen and online and my cousin playing it, LBP Vita seems like the best one yet comfortably. I don't care for it since I don't like LBP, but it seems more interesting than the console iterations
Wipeout 2048 seems on par with HD/Fury and even has all the tracks from them
From everything I've seen and online and my cousin playing it, LBP Vita seems like the best one yet comfortably. I don't care for it since I don't like LBP, but it seems more interesting than the console iterations
Wipeout 2048 seems on par with HD/Fury and even has all the tracks from them
SatelliteOfLove
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It's the sheer lack of games in Japan (aka where publishers still recognize the wisdom in giving a shit about handhelds) over the last 9 months that's got me grim over the Vita. It's like, they just abandoned or repurposed everything that wasn't explicitly already announced for it.
Meanwhile, back in Fucking Reality where the rest of us live:
Meanwhile, back in Fucking Reality where the rest of us live:
What Vita needs is a portable GTA, preferably set in Vice City.
The reason the PSP versions didn't sell so great were because of the limitations of having one analogue stick. Now that the VITA has two Rockstar could actually make a really, really impressive portable GTA if they even still have it in them.
Too bad Sony has no idea what to do and isn't going to fund a GTA for the Vita.
But it would probably save the Vita more so than anything else I can think of.
The reason the PSP versions didn't sell so great were because of the limitations of having one analogue stick. Now that the VITA has two Rockstar could actually make a really, really impressive portable GTA if they even still have it in them.
Too bad Sony has no idea what to do and isn't going to fund a GTA for the Vita.
But it would probably save the Vita more so than anything else I can think of.
Just two Sony franchises worth investing millions in: God of War and GT. But still they'd rather have a exclusive GTA than a new God of War game. God of War isn't the exact title making people buy the console. GTA, that is. They have to attract everyone, not only PS3 and PSP owners. Also there aren't mcuh of a platforms that Vita games go multiplatform on. PS3, maybe.
They don't, but they gambled on PSP and had projects before system launched (GTA: LCS and Crisis Core for instance). Vita is more reliable system than PSP with similiar structure with home consoles, a big third party exclusive could change system's fate. The upcoming BioShock game is an example for that, they're actually making a exclusive game for a system sells like shit (I hope they are still making it). Both Square and Rockstar could do the same thing and I belive they will. I'm pretty sure there are projects yet to be revealed from them.
PSP GTs sold well. Well for PSP games.
Boss Man
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Sony seems to just make really great hardware and then put it out hoping that people will figure out what to do with it. They really need to focus more on what they want their products to be.
On paper it seems like the Vita is doing fine software-wise, and really it is. But the problem is, how many people want to buy a separate machine to play some of their PS3 games on-the-go? Apparently not very many.
As a PS3 owner, I actually feel like I have less of a reason to own a Vita. I think this is the opposite of what they anticipated. There need to be exclusive Vita experiences, things that you can only get on Vita. Right now it just seems like a little sister console to the PS3, and at a time when people (especially the more mature audience- which is really all they've got) simply are not taking portable gaming consoles with them on-the-go. It's just not going to happen, it's deeper than content and beyond their control. I think it was simply a poor decision on Sony's part to even stay in the portable market. The only way that the Vita is going to be viable is if they give people a reason to need one inside their house, which means must-have exclusive titles.
It's a very nice machine, but that just doesn't go very for with sales IMO. You have to sell a concept. Portable PS3 is not a good concept, because its main target is an audience who is simply not going to be carrying a portable gaming device with them.
On paper it seems like the Vita is doing fine software-wise, and really it is. But the problem is, how many people want to buy a separate machine to play some of their PS3 games on-the-go? Apparently not very many.
As a PS3 owner, I actually feel like I have less of a reason to own a Vita. I think this is the opposite of what they anticipated. There need to be exclusive Vita experiences, things that you can only get on Vita. Right now it just seems like a little sister console to the PS3, and at a time when people (especially the more mature audience- which is really all they've got) simply are not taking portable gaming consoles with them on-the-go. It's just not going to happen, it's deeper than content and beyond their control. I think it was simply a poor decision on Sony's part to even stay in the portable market. The only way that the Vita is going to be viable is if they give people a reason to need one inside their house, which means must-have exclusive titles.
It's a very nice machine, but that just doesn't go very for with sales IMO. You have to sell a concept. Portable PS3 is not a good concept, because its main target is an audience who is simply not going to be carrying a portable gaming device with them.
grimshawish
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Meanwhile, back in Fucking Reality where the rest of us live:
Stop using quantitative information to beat qualitative informatION!
This is not an opinion we've heard yet. Please expound in grave detail.
I've been playing Most Wanted nonstop wishing that it was a GTA game.
Isn't there a decent amount of content in the PSN store? Not a Vita owner myself, but I'd assumed that Sony's plan for this device was to digitally distribute the vast majority of games, including tons of quick hitter things like you'd get on iOS.
GraveRobberX
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OK...
It has games
You can play games
You can buy more games
Play those and buy more
In the process earn Platinums!
Also Hori Grip is a Godsend!
ZombiePlatypus
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That's fair enough if it's enough of a reason for you. Some of us need more incentive though. :/
I didn't say everything good, though. I said that there are a lot of good games on the Vita, that simply don't have a retail version. Stuff like Super Stardust, MotorStorm RC, Retro City Rampage, etc.
It's up to Sony and their partners to market that stuff, but it's there. For non-Vita owners that have a PS3, they will see these games being advertised on the PS Store. For non-PS3 and Vita owning gamers, well, *shrugs*. That's what television and billboard ads are for.
Not to mention positive word of mouth. Yeah. Word of mouth is a powerful tool. Which is probably why many of us Vita owners come into threads like these and praise the system, because we know how effective WoM is, and that there are a lot of gaffers out there that are on the fence about picking one up.
But hey, when there's positive word of mouth for the Vita, it's just the apologists living in denial of the harsh truth of the Vita's current state in the market! Why should they attempt to inform those that maybe don't know the merits of this product that Sony is clearly failing to market? They should just accept that the Vita is doomed, and stop sucking the corporate teat of their Sony overlords! /sarcasm
When I think about word of mouth, I think about the Xbox 360. Do you think it would have gotten half as much traction as it did during that first year if it wasn't for the constant, unceasing positive word of mouth from retailers like Gamestop? I couldn't go into a gaming store without a clerk trying to shove an Xbox 360 down my throat. When I went in and purchased a PS3, you should have seen the looks of disgust, and the attempts to dissuade me from picking one up.
Word of mouth is a powerful tool. But when the positive word of mouth is being ignored, well, what else can you do? The Vita is a solid machine. One of the best, if not, the best handheld gaming devices I've ever owned. Year one software library is right up my alley in terms of the types of games I enjoy (action adventure and RPG). More of that stuff is on the way. It really can't be stated clearer than that.
I get that the Vita isn't selling well, and I'm sure you can't believe that the constant negative doom and gloom isn't having an effect on people's purchasing decisions? I've seen people in threads, this one included, that admit that the Vita looks enticing, but the doom and gloom has scared them away from it.
Now, imagine if that popular consensus on GAF was positive? Kind of like the latest hyped game that no one has played yet. I think of a many threads about a particularly small, unnoticed indie game on Steam, and how there will be a vocal minority that praise the game, and it builds excitement for that product, and some people, even those that aren't interested in that game, will get swept up in that hype, and they'll rush out and buy it. Maybe they'll like it, maybe they'll hate it, but the word of mouth had an affect on their decision.
The same thing has affected the Vita, but despite the positive word of mouth from, albeit, a very few of us, there is a louder drum being beat with the doom and gloom. I find these types of conundrums counterproductive to the very thing that many of you claim you want: For the Vita to turn its fortunes around and become successful.
Should you not criticize the Vita? Of course not! Criticize away! But the arguments against the machine seem to be all over the place. First lack of software was an issue. Then, when people post links to threads and announcements, and trailers to upcoming releases and future releases throughout 2012 and 2013, the argument moves to, "Well, those aren't system sellers!" Which is a purely subjective argument to make.
Would you believe that I bought an original Xbox for Fable? And not for Halo or Knights of the Old Republic? Would you believe that I bought a Gamecube for Animal Crossing, and not Super Smash Bros Melee, or The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker, or Metroid: Prime? Well, I did. What title will sell a system to a gamer isn't purely up to their own personal metrics, and not yours, or anybody else.
I bought a Vita for Uncharted, and Rayman, and Gravity Rush. I bought a PS3 for Resistance: FoM, Motorstorm, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma. I bought an Xbox 360 for Bioshock and Mass Effect.
I'll buy a Wii U for the next Animal Crossing, and Smash Bros, and Zelda.
The Vita is in a bad spot, but it's not in an insurmountable situation. There is already a wide variety of software to woo consumers. When the software isn't the problem, then it more or likely is the price that is having an effect on sales.
The 3DS had a high price, and weak software. By the end of last year, it had rectified the price, and had some much better and anticipated software. It wasn't a coincidence that that is when the platform started to gain traction.
The Vita has the software, but the price appears to be a barrier. I imagine that once Sony makes a move on price reduction, coupled with more quality releases (read, the upcoming wave of 2nd gen Vita titles), things will improve. Well, that, and aggressive marketing.
/rant
GeorgioCostanzaX
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I hate to beat a dead horse but if the system is really going to die I would prefer it if Sony just flat out ceased developing Vita exclusives and started marketing it as a second screen for PS content via Gaikai simultaneously rolling out that type of content for PS Mobile phones too.
I'd rather play a streaming version of Uncharted 3 than a B tier effort like Golden Abyss. Make every PS2 HD remake cross buy with Vita or stream them like Ico and SOTC.
I'd rather play a streaming version of Uncharted 3 than a B tier effort like Golden Abyss. Make every PS2 HD remake cross buy with Vita or stream them like Ico and SOTC.
Buh? Grave detail?
Whatever man. You either get it or you don't. Check out the Vita thread and see what people are playing. Hell, look at the review thread and you can see what the GAF collective thinks about most of the games.
Lumpy Onion
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Yeah there is. But there isn't much I would personally want to buy.
Bioshock Vita? You're citing a game that was never even in development?
You can believe what you want. But developers had reason to believe in the PSP - there was incredibly strong demand at launch.
Developers like S-E and Take-Two have shareholders to report to. They have no reason to release a high-profile game to a userbase of 2.6 million.
Seems Gavin's joke flew over some people's head...
Colonel Mustard
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Way to dismiss blockbuster properties that are proven to move hardware.Really? So FF, MGS and 360 multiplats won't save the Vita?! OH NOES!!
The name of this thread isn't "How much do you love your Vita?". It pertains to sales. Yet Vita evangelists insist on coming in here and talking about how they love their Vitas and they don't regret their purchases at all.
GraveRobberX
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What incentive do you want?
Sony pay you to play their damn system
Fuck, I'm getting tired
I like the Vita, DAT OLED, but I can't see myself spend money on it because *insert random bullshit here*
Then fuck it, move the fuck on, Vita isn't the only option for you, or was meant for you
Seriously the Vita offers to fucking much for me on my plate at the moment
I just burned through Resistance Burning Skies + Unit 13
Resistance had it's moments, but I knew what I was getting with that purchase
Unit 13 blew me away, I gave up on it too quickly, thank fuck I didn't
That game is built for the Vita, it's experience can not be translated truly to a home console
Same goes Gravity Rush, it's unique and tries to go out of the normal procedure of gaming
Get the fuck over it, if you don't own a Vita right now, you will not own Vita in the future
Most of you just want to enjoy the goddamn misery, that is all
UncleSporky
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Most people who own a dying platform have a vested interest in attempting to keep it alive.
That initiative hasn't been as noteworthy as Nintendo's eShop service. For one, too many games overlap on PSN and the service does a pretty poor job of telling you what's download-only and what is retail, failing to separate the types of games one should be expecting. The edge PSN is having over retail is some games are only being released on PSN, like New Little King's Story in North America, where it's digital/retail everywhere else. Of course with the new, awful PSN on PS3, it's a nightmare to find anything now..which doesn't make it easier for non-Vita owners.
They're not Nintendo, who always make hardware with specific ideas for software in mind. Sony seems to just make good hardware and seem a little perplexed on how to use all of the nuances they've crafted into it. Many of the things added to the Vita seem like things to combat a check-list for things offered on a phone. The only edge is the rear-touch pad, but I haven't found a single intuitive use for it.
GraveRobberX
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Get a job at Hori, they'd love you
Vita is dead, earning platinums is futile
Well you'll get 50% cut of my paycheck
You led me to the promise land
Re-read the OP, it hardly even mentions sales
Bend isn't B Team. I've enjoyed all their games on PSP, and when you are actually playing Uncharted it's quite good. Gyro aiming at the same time as an analog works really well, and the integration of the treasures is done much better than the console games. As in they are more relevant to where you are and Drake comments on each one. It's almost partial backstory as opposed to a random assortment of treasures that merely exist on PS3
The thing is with Uncharted GA, the problems it has have more to do with Sony than Bend in my opinion. It think they wanted everyone to get used to and accept all the Vita functions so they used Uncharted as a sacrifice, resulting in the game being quite gimmicky. If a random person was playing a random game and getting annoyed at using touch, backpanel, tilt, gyro and the like, they might get frustrated and drop the game altogether. If the game was Uncharted however, they might decide to persevere. That's why I think Uncharted has all those annoying features since Sony wanted it in.
SkylineRKR
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I actually liked GA more than the Ps3 games. But its forced rub and gyro features were shit and there was no multiplayer or anything.
Yeah that makes sense, the weakest console (in sales) will get two of the biggest 3rd party exclusives. Yup.
Now, don't try to instantly dismiss my opinion, I'm really interested in the platform, I want one since way before it launched but haven't bited because the entry price seems a little bit high for what it can offer to me so far, I mean, after U:GA, WipeOut and that Atelier port, the next thing that comes close to get me interested is PSOne classics, and that's it. Now, if it had full BC and there was a version with a UMD drive included, I would totally get that, but I guess that's just me.
Original Man
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alright, vita is not selling well. what are you gonna do about it? what are you gonna do about it my friend? Not gonna buy the system because you're predicting the doom of the system? fine. If you already have a vita and are playing games and enjoying the system(like I am), cool. So again, why should I care about sales again? I knew what I was getting into before buying the system. wtf are sales numbers gonna do for me when I already have the system? For the people who dont have it and predicted the doom of the vita before looking at any numbers, again wtf are the sales numbers doing for you? Just saying...
ZombiePlatypus
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New, creative games that I can't play anywhere else, that don't feel like downgraded home-console titles. Things like Tearaway and Gravity Rush. How about some more RPGs? New zany, original titles (Patapon/Katamari Damacy/etc. style) that take advantage of Vita's unique controls? Or how about those B-games that were more low-budget, but took more risk? They flourished on the PS2, but died off on home consoles this gen due to cost. DS seemed like a new haven for them. I don't see why they can't make those on the Vita as well. It's not like every Vita title has to push the handheld to its technical boundaries.
If you are enjoying what the handheld has to offer so far, and absolutely don't feel like you need any more good titles down the line to justify your initial investment in the device, then yeah, you're good. You don't need to worry at all. Some of us though, want more support than what has been already shown. Until things turn around, I'll stay on the fence and remain nervous while I root for it. That doesn't mean I can't be critical of how Sony's handling it though.
Do you want more Vita games? Do you want the system to be supported past spring 2013?
You have a point there. But everything in the OP ties into sales in a pretty direct way. Also, the title lends itself to sales talk, even if the OP is more subjective.
UncleSporky
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Because when you question just what Sony is doing with the Vita, it can be instructive to consider their thought process. Y'know, the thought process that is solely influenced by its performance in the global market.
Have they given up? That's a question posed in the subject line. Do they have reason to give up? What might be one reason for Sony to give up? Can you think of one?
I mean such a high percentage of Vita owners enjoy the platform so much that I can't fathom why Sony might ever give up. The execs just take a look at this thread and realize there's a lot of proportionate love. Relative to the number of owners, of course. So much love. Why would they consider ending a platform?
I would love those games too but if they don't sell why keep making them?
Gravity Rush sold less than Resistance
Supermanisdead
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Meanwhile, back in Fucking Reality where the rest of us live:
Omg, thank you.
OK, this is amazing.
ZombiePlatypus
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On that note, it will take a damn miracle for 3DS to continue trending alongside DS and GBA.
Original Man
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Yes and yes. Now knowing these numbers, is that going to mysteriously stop the vita's 'doom' because you posted it and have people talking about it? And this goes for any system. This going back to the good old ps3/360 console wars during their first years. who the fucks cares lol? The said system being talked about is going to succeed or fail regardless of how many times gaf posters talk about the numbers. *shrugs*
Maastricht
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There's a price-curve and a catalog development that goes along with an audience willing to pay what they decide is the right price for the right games.
All we're doing here is stating at which point we'll jump in. Historically, a small percentage of people will jump in in the first year, and this will also vary depending on the perceived value, demand, starting-price, competition, money you have to spare, and so on.
All you're saying is that right now, you're not on the side of the line that leads you to buy something. Then some are saying that there will never be enough people on the line that buys something. Then not enough people ask what enough means, and too many answer the question why it will never be enough.
I'm just glad I'm on the happy side of the line, and will now leave again for some more gaming in bed before I close my eyes and call it a day.
All we're doing here is stating at which point we'll jump in. Historically, a small percentage of people will jump in in the first year, and this will also vary depending on the perceived value, demand, starting-price, competition, money you have to spare, and so on.
All you're saying is that right now, you're not on the side of the line that leads you to buy something. Then some are saying that there will never be enough people on the line that buys something. Then not enough people ask what enough means, and too many answer the question why it will never be enough.
I'm just glad I'm on the happy side of the line, and will now leave again for some more gaming in bed before I close my eyes and call it a day.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Go check out Unit 13
No fucking console game offers what Unit 13 offers
It was built for the damn System, once that shit gels with you, it becomes fucking second nature, going back to a regular TPS makes you go damn, they could've used that from Unit 13 to enhance the experience
The system is still new, it is still trying to find a footing into what this device is
The market isn't what Sony hoped for it to be, now it's adjusting, right before our eyes
RPG's on Vita require a lot of investment from devs/pubs at the moment
They are still finding profits in the PSP, so it's fractured
Sales are slow, no non-Vita or Vita owner can say there not
Then you have 2 option, get it, enjoy what it offers or STFU and move the fuck on with something else to kill your time and money with
Most detractors go well, it doesnt have games...
IT HAS GAMES!
Yeah but thy are all ports, nothing new, to really experience the system...
BULLSHIT!, play Gravity Rush, Unit 13, the plethora of PSN titles released for it
But it cost too much...
So did the PS3 @$599, yet people still bought it at that price
Memory Cards are to price and proprietary...
Join the club, we both are in agreement, but I'm invested into this system, so I will have to pay, it stings, but you deal with it
You haven't even owned the Vita yet and are complaining!
Game cost too much...
You can be a Day 1 Hero or be smart and wait it out
During the summer you could grab MK Konplete Edition for Vita for $10, same goes for Mod Nation Racers (sales)
In the mean time, there are these quirky Vita'esque" games that don't cost and arm and a leg to buy
$15 for Super Stardust Delta is the best money you will ever spend for your Vita
That game was built for it
You can get roughly 100+ hours of enjoyment out of it, I fucking sure did
I want to get but I don't want to get...
GET THE FUCK OUT!
I was on the OMFG Vita sucks, no content, please Sony help us out
Then little by little Content released, right now I have a fucking backlog for my Vita... read that shit again.. a backlog for my Vita
I'm waiting for Black Friday
I'll be grabbing COD BLOPSDC, Ass Creed III Lib, NFS MW, SFxT all those titles for the Vita
Will be getting PSABR for PS3 which gives me a free fucking copy for my Vita
ZombiePlatypus
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Supermanisdead
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Half the LTD of DS would still be 75 million, so I'm not even worried about 3DS. I just want it's sales to stop being called "struggling" or "like Vita's before the pricedrop"
You think I'm trying to influence the outcome of the portable market? I have no horse in this race. I'm simply trying to insert some logical thinking into these discussions.
If you don't want to talk about the state of the videogame industry, then maybe you shouldn't be on NeoGAF.
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