GremlinFool
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That person made no reference to other schmaltzy R&B music. So again: who are you calling out, exactly?
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Justin Timberlake - The 20/20 Experience |OT|
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Rocket Punch
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POPGAF is 85% throwing shade and 15% discussing music. Nothing out of the ordinary here.
This album is definitely not for today's ADD/playlist crowd. The art of creating a concept album is lost in today's singles driven market.
Props to JT doing his own thing and not going along with the crowd. The album is very soulful and lush. The much maligned intros /outros help to build the mood of the album as a whole for the most part. Mirrors is definitely the low point in what I felt otherwise to be a well balanced sound.
I hear Prince, George Michael, Marvin Gaye, Janet and of course MJ as influences. This is a great album to relax, lounge and make out to. That's a plus for me.
My personal experience was 17/20.
This album is definitely not for today's ADD/playlist crowd. The art of creating a concept album is lost in today's singles driven market.
Props to JT doing his own thing and not going along with the crowd. The album is very soulful and lush. The much maligned intros /outros help to build the mood of the album as a whole for the most part. Mirrors is definitely the low point in what I felt otherwise to be a well balanced sound.
I hear Prince, George Michael, Marvin Gaye, Janet and of course MJ as influences. This is a great album to relax, lounge and make out to. That's a plus for me.
My personal experience was 17/20.
Yes, Timbo gave his all here. His production work has been awful for the past few years so it was a nice surprise to see him slay that shit again.
Yes, he's the star of this project. I'd say his output is still below what he did in 2006 with Nelly and Justin, but it's a return to form.
You keep peddling this R&B angle despite the fact that Justine is clearly also a pop artist, and references to other pop acts were made. That was called out. Do you understand?
Some of his best work. He needs to hook up with a new artist tho. I think moving on would be best for both.
GremlinFool
Member
Pop music has even more banal lyrics almost axiomatically. This isn't a valid complaint.
TBH it was never his pop production that was in question, it was his hip-hop production. Which has sort-of made a resurgence through Judas Closet, but not really at the same time.
And damn I didn't know that lyrics mattered so much in pop. People really getting heated over that.
I see a lot of people taking shots at PopGAF without actually addressing our points...as per.
I think if anything PopGAF is demonstrating that we don't "Stan" any old thing attached to a big name or that makes it into the Top 40. MOST OF US were excited for JTs comeback, but the album is bad and a lot of us aren't above calling it out.
I think if anything PopGAF is demonstrating that we don't "Stan" any old thing attached to a big name or that makes it into the Top 40. MOST OF US were excited for JTs comeback, but the album is bad and a lot of us aren't above calling it out.
lastflowers
Banned
The whole bloody thing is an act, much like all of pop. if you actually take any of this garbage seriously, you must have the mind of a young child.
I'm not elitist with lyrics unless they get offensively indulgent (see: Justin Timberlake; see the worst offender: Christina Aguilera). That being said, I will call out the hypocrisy in giving a pass to Justine's meandering regurgitations about love while lambasting other acts doing the same until Nas is no longer forced to pay alimony.
The only thing I'm seeing here, really, is evidence that Justine's management's marketing positioning him as a true artisté has been working wonders. In reality, he is cut from the same manufactured cloth as Katy Perry.
Rocket Punch
Member
This may be true but then again, name an act that doesn't make his/her own narrative for marketing purposes (see worst offender: Lady Gaga).
I have zero problems with that.
But you can't help but let out a light cackle when faulty generalizations like "shitty pop" are used in the thread about the biggest corporate-driven act in recent memory.
I can name any number of, you know, ACTUAL R&B acts who don't this and are truly 'bout dat R&B life.
I have zero problems with that.
But you can't help but let out a light cackle when faulty generalizations like "shitty pop" are used in the thread about the biggest corporate-driven act in recent memory.
I don't see what correlation marketing and final product quality have.
Spill the tea sistren. R&B is not my main genre and even I felt insulted when Justine was called an R&B act.
Lauryn Hill would probably rather stay behind bars if she has to come out to a world where this schlock is given the title of genuine R&B.
Rocket Punch
Member
I'll say this tho. I hope Justin doesn't have delusions of dominating the singles charts with this album. It works as a whole and I give him credit for it but I can't for the life of me point out songs that would work as singles. The album will sell well when it releases but I don't think it's gonna be a long term seller. And he should be ok with that. It's a fine album that I'll listen to when the mood strikes but it does sounds dated in today's market. That's not to say it's a bad album in any way. It sounds like a modern Motown album but that's not what people want these days.
Well I admit I was thinking too much in terms of old school and that was a stupid post, :lol
CoffeeJanitor
Member
So I haven't listened to this album yet, but LOL @ all the people freaking out about intros and outros. It's not that uncommon in music as a whole.
Ken Masters
Banned
Timberlake bringing credibility back to pop
Heh, it certainly through me through a loop.
Music as a whole? No.
But for modern pop? Yes. I can't think of many popular artists that utilize intos/outros to such an extent. Most of the songs will have to be edited for radio play.
AgentChris
Member
Hourlong JT special on the CW; March 19th @ 8PM. Live performances, interviews and premiere of new 8 minute MV.
WordAssassin
Member
This this this this this
Don't get me wrong, this is a great album. But I didn't know it was going to be so mellow and sleepy and I can't help be disappointed. I'm not saying it's bad, and I can't knock it for not being what I imagined it would be, because it is great, great music. But from JT, I was expecting at least a couple tracks that were more up-tempo singy-rappy dance pop tracks. Maybe the Target bonus tracks will be more "typical pop JT" that wouldn't otherwise fit on the album?
Mirrors, though, that track is without a doubt my favorite. Suit & Tie in second place if only because of that awful JayZ verse that tanks the entire song.
there it is
See, this is the type of shit that sets PopGAF off.
Justin ain't doin shit for Pop (or R&B) with this album.
That would be like saying Mackelmore is bringing credibility back to Hip Hop.
Not to mention they're the best part about this album.
The intros/outros are just cool production, they don't do anything for pop.
It wasn't a stupid post. Don't let them pressure you into being wrong. That shit isn't R&B.
It's contemporary R&B. Same thing I would group The-Dream into.
ps: The Dream >>>>>> Miguel >>>>>>> Frank Ocean
Yeah, sweep it into one of the sub genres, where it belongs. I wouldn't even put The Dream and Miguel in the same category, considering they at least have decent voices that can carry their albums. Francis needs to just stick to writing.
flamingotripod
Member
The 20/20 Experience is just bad, boring and lacks any staying power compared to FutureSex/LoveSounds.
Frank's voice is weaker, but he's still r&b.
Embrace the Ocean Botty.
;_; Now why are you going to play with my emotions with a KH gif?
we can quibble about the order but if youre saying The-Dream is #1 in R&B then i agree.
Wafflecakes
Member
Going to give it a re-listen to see if I like it more.
I was never big on JT, but I was actually surprised HOW MUCH I disliked the album.
Will be interesting to see how it performs commercially. I am sure it's first weeks sales will be great (first week is fan's and rarely has anything to do with music quality), but I have a hard time seeing the public embrace it.
I was never big on JT, but I was actually surprised HOW MUCH I disliked the album.
Will be interesting to see how it performs commercially. I am sure it's first weeks sales will be great (first week is fan's and rarely has anything to do with music quality), but I have a hard time seeing the public embrace it.
Did I just agree with Domino?
Also, can I say that part of the reason I like Spaceship Coupe is because it sounds like The Dream production? In fact, in surprised it's NOT.
Well he's falling off a bit but Lovehate and Love vs Money will carry him for a while still.