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K-Pop Fanboy/Fangirl |OT5| Controversies Over Nothing
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Thats not a k-pop specific thing. It's been done in other areas of music for a long time. Cheap way to get people to re-buy whole sections of music :| it's part of why they resisted the ability to buy just single songs so much.
Oh I'm not saying it's a kpop specific thing, but it is a new thing in kpop. In the past the whole album of new material would come out and then songs would be promoted from that album, opposite to how I remember the Japanese industry doing things (Releasing singles in the lead up to an album and promoting those). Any loose releases that didn't end up on an official album would usually be compiled into ".5" releases that usually were just compilations of b-sides, featurings etc. Then those ".5" releases eventually became repackages with only a couple of new songs tacked on.
Just sayin' I miss the old way of doing things, that's all haha.
The biggest reason the Kpop industry doesn't like the digital music market is because of how little money they can make from it. It's already bad enough that physical CDs can be as cheap as 10,000won or less, but digital is next to nothing. That's why all the packaging and bonuses with physical stuff is so extravagant, it's an attempt to appeal to collectors and hardcore fans to buy physical instead of digital.
Title track Hush is the only E-tribe track, and it's great.
Oh, I've seen the figures for the online sales in korea. That shit is criminally cheap. Particularly for the subscription services.
Yeah, Mnet offers 150 songs for 12,500 won a month. - 150 high quality mp3s for less than an album on iTunes costs haha. And that's actually after last year's price rises. Unlimited streaming and 150 mp3s is only 15,500 won lol.
Sad thing is most Koreans think that's on the pricey side, and it kinda is compared to what I was paying for Mnet last year. Still criminal though.
neoism
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taeyeon: 눈에 다래끼났어
[TRANS] http://t.co/pwOQOCnRSn i got a stye on my eye
taeyeon: 내 뒤에 뭐가 있는거같아... ..........는 하나도 안무서운서주현
[TRANS] http://t.co/fRVgoHrbw5 i think theres something behind me... .yeah right. not scary at all seo juhyun
AlphaDragoon
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Dat Suzy, so good.
Don't much care for that video but I really like the new Miss A song.
I'm inclined to agree. Not a fan of the styling, video and album cover this time. The song is solid though.
Sounds more tenuous to me than the IU one.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I'm usually all lulz at "plagiarism" stuff and say they don't understand how music works, but damn this is pretty heavy.
broadwayrock
Member
Miss A's Hush is much better than 'I Don't Need A Man', i hope the album turns out good.
Miss A's song is good, but not a fan of the T-ara style editing of the MV with 10 cuts per second. Looking forward for live performances.
[MV] San E(산이 _ Where Did You Sleep(어디서 잤어 (Feat. Verbal Jint & Swings (버벌진트&스윙스) Since he left JYP he hasn't stopped releasing music. He was obviously blocked at JYP.
Best Hyuna fancamming debut.
[MV] San E(산이
_ Where Did You Sleep(어디서 잤어 (Feat. Verbal Jint & Swings (버벌진트&스윙스) Since he left JYP he hasn't stopped releasing music. He was obviously blocked at JYP.Best Hyuna fancamming debut.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Wa$$up teaser, comeback just a few months after debut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SKK4rxdG04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SKK4rxdG04
[MV] San E(산이
This is great.
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Muses dancing to "Bond Girl".
This week 2BiC cover is Michael Jackson "Man in the mirror":
2BiC - Man In The Mirror (original by Michael Jackson)
It's obviously awesome!! This guy......
Who is Ahri??? Google search for it, I see now, lol, poor ShinDong it must be cold out there, lol.
2BiC - Man In The Mirror (original by Michael Jackson)
It's obviously awesome!! This guy......
Who is Ahri??? Google search for it, I see now, lol, poor ShinDong it must be cold out there, lol.
You've seen it, but yeah, League of Legends character. Guy to the right is Lee Sin, another character.
Happy 23th birthday, Kris/Yifan/Jiaheng/Kevin/Duizhang. Bless you for having huge yaoi hands, being really tall (6'3 is huge for me, ok), embarrassing but endearing, unintentionally hilarious and a softie. Noona loves you (づ￣ ³￣づ
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duizhang (ღ˘⌣˘ღ
I stole all this from tumblr ヽ(ー_ー )ノ
For my Kriscasso
Who is also better than Legolas
Can't Female President
Also can't Bar Bar Bar
But corrects MCs on the night of his debut
Proud Canadian
Who actually hates his idol life but we love you, Krease
Agreed on the whole minimalist / low key thing. I was waiting for the song to really gather momentum, which it does to an extent I guess, but not as much as I was expecting or hoping. I like it well enough but if somone were to remix it with more intrumentation and/or a stronger beat, I think I'd like it a lot more.
Shame about the editing in the MV. It's still pretty hnnng-tastic though.
Ludicrously Large ver.
AgentChris
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I really like the song but this is exactly what I first thought. It feels like there's a huge build up and it's not until 2mins into the song that it really picks up. It's good though, I'm a fan (except for that weird "aha!" at 2:30, that's just odd.) And yes they did look beautiful, although it was hard to appreciate the outfits, the sets, the choreography etc because of the hyper editing. What an awful trend. T-ara, their impact.
jongkookie
Member
I'll see what I can do.
I do agree though, the minimalistic thing works but it ain't Miss A at all.
Sooyoung's wall of selcas said:
Oh my god
We have some Australians here, right? Go say hi to Ellin!
Queens:
I really need to learn how to make gifs instead of pinching these messy tumblr gifs. Is there a program that's relatively simple to use that still gives great results? Gifcam is simple but it's not the highest quality.
No simple program to make quality gifs...
The most approximately is to have video files, HQ is preferable (e.g. mp4 from YT) and use photoshop to use the wanted frames and save to gif. If you don't have photoshop, use another application to create the images for the gifs (eg. avidemux) and paint shop pro animation to create the gif. Other methods can be more complex without practice, like this one https://gist.github.com/aeukqegoih/a4850775fef55866bc08
MBC Korean Music Wave in Singapore has been cancelled due to the organiser having "unforeseen circumstances including contractual difficulties with our co-producer, MBC".
Show would have included "TaeTiSeo as hosts as well as a lineup including: SHINee, TEEN TOP, B1A4, B.A.P, 2PM, 2AM, F.T. Island, EXO, IU, SISTAR, KARA, miss A, and 4minute."
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M&N teaser
Best adult-dol.
Show would have included "TaeTiSeo as hosts as well as a lineup including: SHINee, TEEN TOP, B1A4, B.A.P, 2PM, 2AM, F.T. Island, EXO, IU, SISTAR, KARA, miss A, and 4minute."
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M&N teaser
Best adult-dol.
Same lollipop? http://youtu.be/dp0F18FFCTE?t=13s
neoism
Member
man sooyoung is crazy beautiful
I ship Nuzy.
broadwayrock
Member
That means ticket sales were crap, so they pulled the plug.
Speaking of which, Super Juniors London concert doesn't seem to be doing well. Still not sold out and loads of websites seem to have competitions giving tickets away.
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2NE1 Minzy is doing the touristy stuff around london:
With the latest announcement of the cancellation of StarHub Presents MBC Korean Music Wave in Singapore. I took the initiative to do some digging around ourselves. And the numbers I have found were unbelievable. While I feel the unjust and unhappiness from the infuriated fans, I think that you should take some time, clear your head, and carry on reading.
MBC has requested for the local promoter to pay SGD$900,000+ in full. Yes, SGD$900,000+ was paid to MBC months before the artists land on our shores. The outstanding line-up of 13 artist groups and 1 solo act also translates to hefty sums paid to a 5-star hotel in Singapore. Next, imagine paying for business-class seats for all the huge line-up of artists, 13 groups and 1 solo. (For younger fans, each business-class seat on an International Airline costs around SGH$4,000 to SGD$5,000).
You may think, that if a promoter signed up for this, he is liable to undertake everything. That is very true. Unfortunately for the fans, a promoter is never a charitable organization. Quality concerts require a lot of things and theses costs will be passed on to the consumers. Why are KPop concerts so much more expensive in Singapore as compared to Thailand or Jakarta or even Korea itself? Simple, everything in Singapore costs as least twice as much as the same thing found anywhere else in the world.
If you ever wonder why the tickets were so expensive, this is your reason.
So after paying MBC the fees, what came next? The cost of the production. Through some connections in the industry, I found out that the cost of production went up by an astonishing 6-figure sum just 1 week before the concert was supposed to start. I daresay, that unless this was a government-funded event, no promoter would be naïve enough to carry on with this Korean bullshit.
With 71 artists coming, MBC definitely demanded for a crazy hospitality package. I’m sure everyone has read The Straits Times article regarding SM Town World Tour in Singapore where the promoter disclosed the number of bottles, towels and what not required backstage. Again, I poked my nose into things and these are what I found:
• MBC expects the promoter to get 120 full-length mirrors for the artists
• MBC expects the promoter to get 15 garment steamers
• MBC expects the promoter to hire at least 30 buses to run the concert
• MBC even expects the promoter to source for a convertible just for the MCs to make a grand entrance (i.e A DAMN SPORTS CAR)
• MBC requests for a 15-dish International catering with 3 Korean side dishes for the crew
The numbers don’t end there, but I think I shall not to scare you further.
Now, we turn towards the more technical side of things – the nature of the partnership.
As with any business partnerships, one would expect negotiations, discussions, some kind of consideration and at the least, hospitality. I have confidence that local promoters are all adequate in these aspects. However, I can’t say the same towards their counterparts.
The cancellation of StarHub Presents MBC Korean Music Wave in Singapore is not solely the failure of the promoter. Those who blame promoters in general, shame on you. Economics, society and even the Internet, have made the Hallyu wave this way. And what made matters worse, is that the target audience of this trend are generally not people who can afford this. Many promoters, greedy or not, have sought to take on crazy projects to satisfy the demands and plea from the fans. Yet it does not seem that the Korean entertainment industry is humbled by the many invitations. On the contrary, they have become more brazen with each invitation, and when a rookie group requests for something that Big Bang is entitled to request, you know the industry is sinking into a whirlpool.
Just to illustrate the craziness of everything:
• No single promoter has ever done SMTown twice in her lifetime;
• MAMA was a huge failure (in terms of ticket sales) in Singapore;
• Asia Super Showcase in Malaysia was cancelled days before the event;
• 2NE1’s New Evolution tour in Malaysia and Jakarta were cancelled due to technical issues (but we all know the real reason behind it, don’t we?)
• The 2nd night of Super Show 5 in Singapore was cancelled;
• RITS did not even dare to plan for a 2nd night of the SNSD’s Girls and Peace tour in Singapore.
The Korean artists are so well versed in PR, that they have made fans believe that they really love their fans. Well, yes, to a certain extent. These artists certainly love the money that comes from their fans. But who really benefits from all these? The Korean Entertainment companies, of course.
broadwayrock
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It'll be interesting to see the split between MBC, the korean music companies and the artist.
I can see from the korean companies side of view of wanting to make money on concerts if they're making less on selling albums/singles, but the price they demand is crazy.
Super Junior's London concert standing tickets cost £160 /$257 USD
For comparison these bands are playing the same venue as SJ a week later and are charging the following for standing tickets:
Bullet for My Valentine - £28.25
Queens of the Stone Age - £39.75
Sigur Rós - £37.25
I can see from the korean companies side of view of wanting to make money on concerts if they're making less on selling albums/singles, but the price they demand is crazy.
Super Junior's London concert standing tickets cost £160 /$257 USD
For comparison these bands are playing the same venue as SJ a week later and are charging the following for standing tickets:
Bullet for My Valentine - £28.25
Queens of the Stone Age - £39.75
Sigur Rós - £37.25
Interesting figures. I would think that at least some of the earnings could be capitalized later in the future, somehow as investment, for both promoters, the artists and their agencies and in this case also MBC, either by gaining publicity, local and homeland awareness, in order to decrease a little the final price the customer has to pay and therefore even more people can assist at the events. In some countries the local currency doesn't help as well the target audience is not totally monetary independently.
What I mean that if all parts accept lowering some of the demands, as some of those described (!) all parts would gain something, but I guess it comes all to the greedy appetite of all parts (not sure about the artists themselves in here), with a mix of blown-up self awareness, if they were more modest in these overseas events these cancellations could be at least be less frequent.
What I mean that if all parts accept lowering some of the demands, as some of those described (!) all parts would gain something, but I guess it comes all to the greedy appetite of all parts (not sure about the artists themselves in here), with a mix of blown-up self awareness, if they were more modest in these overseas events these cancellations could be at least be less frequent.
