toastyToast
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HiResDes said:
How could I forget? Joe Budden knows how to crush a brothers' spirit :lol
I think we can all agree that it's been an incredible year for hip-hop. I'm drowning in all this goodness.
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Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (OT 2?)
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How could I forget? Joe Budden knows how to crush a brothers' spirit :lol
I think we can all agree that it's been an incredible year for hip-hop. I'm drowning in all this goodness.
Ephemeris
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FML.
This can change so damn easily. So yeah. This is valid till the end of themonth week. :/ Probably do 3 honorable mentions. Except LR.
TCD: Never Let me down (Honorable: Spaceship. Two Words. All Falls Down) *
LR: Gone. (Honorable: My Way Home. Addiction; Gone; Late; Diamonds) **
Graduation: Flashing Lights (Honorable: Good Morning. I wonder. Can't tell me Nothing) ***
808s & Heartbreak: Coldest Winter (Honorable: Welcome To heartbreak; heartless; amazing) ****
MBDTF: Power + Runaway part included (Honorable Mentions: ALL OF THE LIGHTS. All of the lights Interlude. Hell of a life. Blame Game. Gorgeous. Dark Fantasy. So Appalled. Lost in the world) *****
*I really wanted to fit The New Workout plan in there :lol
** I gave up trying to fit only three.
*** This list is definitely different from the time Graduation came out. Stronger barely missed the cut. Truth be told, right now I like "I Wonder" the best. But it'll be flashing lights by noon EST tomorrow.
**** Not really that hard. Came down to Coldest and Amazing for #1 and Heartless and Love Lockdown for the last mention.
***** Can't do it mang. All I know is that I played the hell outta Monster, So Appalled Devil and Runaway. Despite being good songs, I'm not feeling them as much as the others. I really do love that All of the Lights interlude though.
Making this list surprised me. Didn't know I had so many faves on LR.
This can change so damn easily. So yeah. This is valid till the end of the
TCD: Never Let me down (Honorable: Spaceship. Two Words. All Falls Down) *
LR: Gone. (Honorable: My Way Home. Addiction; Gone; Late; Diamonds) **
Graduation: Flashing Lights (Honorable: Good Morning. I wonder. Can't tell me Nothing) ***
808s & Heartbreak: Coldest Winter (Honorable: Welcome To heartbreak; heartless; amazing) ****
MBDTF: Power + Runaway part included (Honorable Mentions: ALL OF THE LIGHTS. All of the lights Interlude. Hell of a life. Blame Game. Gorgeous. Dark Fantasy. So Appalled. Lost in the world) *****
*I really wanted to fit The New Workout plan in there :lol
** I gave up trying to fit only three.
*** This list is definitely different from the time Graduation came out. Stronger barely missed the cut. Truth be told, right now I like "I Wonder" the best. But it'll be flashing lights by noon EST tomorrow.
**** Not really that hard. Came down to Coldest and Amazing for #1 and Heartless and Love Lockdown for the last mention.
***** Can't do it mang. All I know is that I played the hell outta Monster, So Appalled Devil and Runaway. Despite being good songs, I'm not feeling them as much as the others. I really do love that All of the Lights interlude though.
Making this list surprised me. Didn't know I had so many faves on LR.
Agreed, man. It's been quite a year.toasty_T said:
But yeah continue arguing over what's the most consistent. Let me put it this way: I think Mr. West's album is one of the most consistent I've listened to this year, and it just so happens I feel it's THE most consistent of the bunch I've listened to. TSOL close second.
Have not listened to Big Boi's though. Before I get all the hate (peterb0y is gonna kill me), I'm not really into Big Boi that much. I do appreciate his lyricism though, it's just something about the flow I'm unused to.
toastyToast
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Should be OK since DiaND was a good Friday track (so free) and FNL was also free. Unless there is a monetary value associated with Ricky Ross' verse
GodfatherX
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I would guess it wouldnt include the 3-4 iTunes exclusivesexarkun said:
ChldRebelSoldr said:
I would like this much more if you could just stick Cole's verse at the end over Ross. Would that be too hard?
exarkun said:
Yea they apparently didn't finish the bonus tracks in time to put it on the physical. Not sure why its iTunes only though. My tracklisting in the OP isn't completely confirmed though.
Ashhong said:
It would sound a little strange if I put it after because of the added guitar from the solo. I even got rid of the solo but I'll see what I can do. Like I said, it's very amateurish and rough. I'll definitely improve it over time, this is just something I did in half an hour. I still need to figure out how to include Cole's "first" verse and seamlessly add it in. Also, I want to fix the position of the "second" verse. If anyone has any suggestions, feel free. (Especially for the first verse.)
I'll try to mess with it tomorrow night and see what I can do but for now I have to sleep. Stupid Bio exam tomorrow.
Dreams-Visions
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summary: FUCKING RIDICULOUS.exarkun said:
College Dropout: Too many... Love Last Call, Never Let me Down, Slow Jam, Family Business, Through the Wire... This may be my favorite album ever (along with Blackstar)
Late Registration: Gone
Graduation: Everything I Am (Premier scratching... Love it!)
808s & Heartbreak: (haven't listened to it, probably never will)
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy: Blame Game
Late Registration: Gone
Graduation: Everything I Am (Premier scratching... Love it!)
808s & Heartbreak: (haven't listened to it, probably never will)
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy: Blame Game
Miggytronz
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This Album.....omg...... 
It's a different flow, in the Runaway version it's alot more subtle, raw and passive, and in the album version it's much more aggressive. I like both tbh.Coldsnap said:
And Never Let Me Down will always bea top 5 Kanye song for me because it brings a tear to my eye every single time I listen to it. Amazing all around. I could go on forever about how much I love that song.
GremlinFool
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Don't get the love for College Dropout at all. Last Registration is a better album by leaps and miles. As are Graduation and 808s
MBDTF>>>Last Registration>Graduation=808s>>>>>College Dropout
MBDTF>>>Last Registration>Graduation=808s>>>>>College Dropout
Dreams-Visions
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um WAT?GremlinFool said:
GremlinFool
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College Dropout does nothing for me at all. Kanye improved by leaps and bounds when he started to drift from "traditional" hip-hop. Plus, CD's production was pretty terrible in comparison to every other album of his.Dreams-Visions said:
Expendable.
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GremlinFool said:
:lol
MorisUkunRasik
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CD > MBDTF > LR > Graduation > 808s
GremlinFool
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I don't know how to articulate my feelings towards in any other manner than saying it was far too "urban" for me. I much prefer cocky, cosmopolitan Kanye to CD Kanye. Not to mention that none of the songs had beats even remotely comparable to even Graduation's (but then again I tend to prefer beats that are rooted in electronic music and have remarkable production value to the more "raw" beats found on CD).enzo_gt said:
I think if you ask Kanye, he'd likely agree that CD was his worst album. Unsheathing his musical genius required a learning curve, and CD constituted his growing pains. In terms of musicality, CD doesn't even compare to MBDTF.
I feel like Late Registration was his do-over. His vision for the first album uninhibited by inadequate skills and experience along with more control over his own album resulted in something truly special. College Dropout was just too raw.
GremlinFool
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Nothing against CD lovers, just sayingBowser said:
I know I'm going against the grain here, just my opinion.Kanye himself has admitted, he knows that he won't make another College Dropout. Kanye is fully aware of what College Dropout has done for him, and the incredible impact it has had on the industry. The only rawness I see in College Dropout is the raw emotion and, I hate to use this word but, purity in the sound. You can hear it in the inspirational samples, you can hear it in the heartfelt lyrics, you can hear it in the RAW emotion.GremlinFool said:
Needless to say, I disagree with everything else you said but man, hearing you knock the production on College Dropout vs. his other albums is painful, man, seriously. The production on College Dropout was a hair away from revolutionary, and responsible for what you hear in LR, Graduation, 808s, MBDTF, etc. :lol
Kanye in the Studio with Rihanna. Reaffirms All of the Lights is still the next single.
Fixed2BeBroken
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captmcblack said:
You're right if you are saying Graduation was his most mainstream/popular album. I believe it to be his best "commercial" album. However, it's still classified as hiphop and you can tell its hiphop when you hear it. He still samples throughout the whole album. ust about every song has a sample on it except probably flashing lights. Why you are bringing 808s into this and talking about other crap, has nothing to do with the fact that LR isn't in the same style of CD and can't be lumped with it which is my original point.
Graduation was clearly defined as a hiphop album and was even put head to head against another "hiphop"(tho i dont consider it real hiphop) album...50 cent's. In fact they marketed it as such.
to say hey transitioned to 808s thru each album and with each album he was less and less purely hiphop....yea sure. but that has nothing to do with what I was saying.
also
When I say rza had more of an influence, i am talking about type of samples and feel of the beats. These days kanye even talks about how big of influence wu tang was on him. Early when he was just a producer, just blaze use to talk about how him and kanye had beats that they made just for ghostface or specifically with ghostface in mind to rap on em.
you can't put graduation and 808s together. they are two tottally different albums.
captmcblack
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Fixed2BeBroken said:
I don't think you quite understand what I was trying to say; in fact, given what I'm reading from you here, we actually agree.
All I was trying to say is that LR is the beginning of the sonic experimentation and expansion of his sounds that Graduation showcased and 808s leaned entirely towards. Like I said, imagine a spectrum of sound, in which case boom-baps and samples is one extreme and electrohouse sounding stuff is the opposite extreme. If CD was more towards the boom-baps and samples, LR moved a little bit away from that, Graduation went more towards the electrohouse stuff and 808s went almost completely towards that.
I'm not saying that the original trilogy of his rap albums weren't rap/hip-hop at all; of course they were! I'm saying that LR is closer to the more typical offerings on rap albums than Graduation was, than 808s was, and than MBDTF is. Also, I included 808s in the discussion because:
- it's a record by Kanye West
- to illustrate the other extreme of Kanye's production, where CD represents the opposite direction
enzo_gt said:Kanye in the Studio with Rihanna. Reaffirms All of the Lights is still the next single.
This is a pretty old recording I think. She's recording Man Down which is on her album and leaked like weeks ago.
MWS Natural
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GremlinFool said:
:lol
I understand what he means. CD is obviously more "old-school hip hop" than any of his other albums. Yes Kanye slowly transitions into a more electric sound (which is what I love, like Flashing Lights), but I wouldn't say that he was intentionally building up to his 808s. It just happened.
Straightballin
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The ranking of his albums should be...
CD>LR>MBDTF=Graduation>808
And thats not to say 808 is a bad album or even MBDTF and Graduation. Just not feeling MBDTF that much, after a few more listens I might have to put it above Graduation or possibly even below.
CD>LR>MBDTF=Graduation>808
And thats not to say 808 is a bad album or even MBDTF and Graduation. Just not feeling MBDTF that much, after a few more listens I might have to put it above Graduation or possibly even below.
GremlinFool
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lol guys, it just means I don't like the more urban feel of CD. That's all
btw the 320 has officially leaked
btw the 320 has officially leaked
GremlinFool
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It's too much like actual hip-hop, which I don't like.peterb0y said:
His new music takes the best aspects of traditional hip-hop and mixes it with the conventions of good pop music and a brilliant electronic-synthy feel. Which makes it better in my opinion.
This hivemind mentality/sentimentality really frustrates me. CD isn't objectively better than fucking Flockaveli from Waka Flocka Flame, so you guys can relax with the vitriol shot in my direction. It's music, and it's subjective, the most subjective of mediums.
Hivemind? In this thread we argue based on merits. That's why LR to some is better than TCD, and for some even, 808s. Maybe not objective, but we are pretty damn shocked at someone disregarding a classic hip hop record as being worse than more poppy, but still good sequels.GremlinFool said:
You must understand that, there are hip hop fans in this thread. And you saying it's "too much like actual hip hop," may conflict with the rest of the people rating his albums in the context of being hip-hop albums. At least you know your in the minority, but you should've made it clear beforehand that you were rating albums as far as how pop/electro they were instead of hip hop. If I were to rate based on poppyness:
Graduation > 808s > LR > MBDTF > TCD
At least now we know why you don't get the love for TCD, soul samples and inspirational rhymes aren't really your cup of tea.
Dreams-Visions
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no, it hasn't. it's is a fake.GremlinFool said:
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