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Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (OT 2?)

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Dreams-Visions said:
AAC you say? well that is a different file indeed.

sir, I am a spectral guru. I exposed the original as a fraud. I assumed you were referring to the original "320kbps" leak. :D
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Ashhong

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I don't understand wtf you guys are posting :lol

I'm gonna sit tight with what I have though until my album comes in 6 days. woot woot
 
Ashhong said:
I don't understand wtf you guys are posting :lol

I'm gonna sit tight with what I have though until my album comes in 6 days. woot woot
they're just graphs that show the frequency range of a given song.

songs that are compressed always have a cutoff point where the frequency fails to go any higher. that's sound that is literally cut smooth the fuck off that you will never have the opportunity to hear. the sacrifice of a small filesize. the higher the compression, the lower the maximum frequency the chart shows the music is able to reproduce.

Examples:

Uncompressed FLAC (see it fades naturally at the top, as sound naturally should; no compresion)

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^ see how everything cut's smooth off at 22000Hz? that's the compression effect.

320kbps (the cutoffs will now be obvious from here on. remember that every bit of sound above the ever-lowering cut-off point is gone forever from the music. and no, you can't simply convert it to FLAC and get it back. the sound is gone forever.)

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V0 / 256kbps VBR
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V2 / 192kbps VBR
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128kbps VBR
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the progression towards poory, harsher quality sound should be clear. this is how smaller files are created. this is why people who really care about the music are concerned about this. once the music is compressed, it can never come back.

in the case of this new Kanye AAC file, there is very little compression. In fact, I don't believe there is any, as I don't see any cut-off point that comes with 320kbps music. I'm not sure. but it's definitely superior to your typical max quality LAME 320kbps CBR mp3 file.
 

Ashhong

Member
Good info! *thumbsup*

I never really understood the concept of compression. Didn't realize that it completely erased parts of the song that I would never hear again. Makes me want a bigger ipod and everything in FLAC
 
Ashhong said:
Good info! *thumbsup*

I never really understood the concept of compression. Didn't realize that it completely erased parts of the song that I would never hear again. Makes me want a bigger ipod and everything in FLAC
fwiw, it's pretty hard to hear the difference between 320kbps mp3/AAC and CD/lossless. like...you really have to have some good equipment or it won't matter a lot, as most headphones and speakers don't even get up into the high ranges of frequency. BUT...you will notice a distinct difference between say...V2 mp3 and FLAC. so if you have a lot of stuff <200kbps, it may be time to re-rip your stuff to higher quality.

and yes, I've started to create and collect FLAC as much as possible for the important music. you can always transcode FLAC to mp3 for regular, convenient listening but keep the flac for storage or serious listening sessions or something. I just think that whenever you can have a flawless, lossless version of something really good, you should probably take it. that's why I pre-ordered this CD. it will be immediately ripped to FLAC and stored with my other FLAC stuff.

Cheers. Glad to have been helpful.
 

Ashhong

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Dreams-Visions said:
fwiw, it's pretty hard to hear the difference between 320kbps mp3/AAC and CD/lossless. like...you really have to have some good equipment or it won't matter a lot, as most headphones and speakers don't even get up into the high ranges of frequency. BUT...you will notice a distinct difference between say...V2 mp3 and FLAC. so if you have a lot of stuff <200kbps, it may be time to re-rip your stuff to higher quality.

and yes, I've started to create and collect FLAC as much as possible for the important music. you can always transcode FLAC to mp3 for regular, convenient listening but keep the flac for storage or serious listening sessions or something. I just think that whenever you can have a flawless, lossless version of something really good, you should probably take it. that's why I pre-ordered this CD. it will be immediately ripped to FLAC and stored with my other FLAC stuff.

Cheers. Glad to have been helpful.

Check yo PMs por favor
 

Hootie

Member
I've recently become a stickler for music quality. I've looked through shit I've downloaded and I've tried to replace all the 128kbps and 192kbps stuff with 320kbps.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
Ashhong said:
Good info! *thumbsup*

I never really understood the concept of compression. Didn't realize that it completely erased parts of the song that I would never hear again. Makes me want a bigger ipod and everything in FLAC

Do not go down this road :lol I did and now I'm stuck filling my ipod with 128kb rips because I can't fit all my music in the ipod at lossless...:lol
 

Kusagari

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HiResDes

Member
Yeah 18 is my limit, and no the little noise at the beginning doesn't count. If I can only hear 18 does that mean that I wouldn't be able to hear the difference from say lossless to 320kbps?
 
College Dropout: 8/10 ('Two Words')
Late Registration: 7/10 ('Drive Slow')
Graduation: 7/10 ('Flashing Lights')
808s: 7/10 ('Heartless')
MBDTF: 9/10 ('So Appalled')
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
HiResDes said:
Yeah 18 is my limit, and no the little noise at the beginning doesn't count. If I can only hear 18 does that mean that I wouldn't be able to hear the difference from say lossless to 320kbps?
you probably wouldn't hear much difference depending on the source, especially at 320kbps. hell, i doubt many could spot the difference between a ~250kbps encoding and a lossless file unless they could switch rapidly between the two sources.

but back to the album - it's damn good.
 

pakkit

Banned
I'm a follower.

College Dropout - Spaceship (Kanye's singing sounds good on this track, and the sample is great. At the time, it was a nice change up from the rote "chipmunk" sampling that Kanye helped popularize with Blueprint. Plus, it's long-gone humble Kanye on the track, rapping about working minimum wage and being pushed around.)
Late Registration - Gone (Lyrically great. Cam'ron is all over this track, and this is one of the standouts for Brion's orchestral flair.)
Graduation - Big Brother (Toomp may have been a trend, but his beats were great head-nodders. The relatively simple backdrop gives Kanye a great canvas to rap about Jay and his tumultuous friendship. Astounding.)
808s and Heartbreaks - Amazing (This track is okay until Jeezy appears and then it becomes good. 808s sucked, yo.)
Beautiful Dark Fantasy - All of the Lights (THOSE DRUMS.)
 

enzo_gt

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pakkit said:
I'm a follower.

College Dropout - Spaceship (Kanye's singing sounds good on this track, and the sample is great. At the time, it was a nice change up from the rote "chipmunk" sampling that Kanye helped popularize with Blueprint. Plus, it's long-gone humble Kanye on the track, rapping about working minimum wage and being pushed around.)
Late Registration - Gone (Lyrically great. Cam'ron is all over this track, and this is one of the standouts for Brion's orchestral flair.)
Graduation - Big Brother (Toomp may have been a trend, but his beats were great head-nodders. The relatively simple backdrop gives Kanye a great canvas to rap about Jay and his tumultuous friendship. Astounding.)
808s and Heartbreaks - Amazing (This track is okay until Jeezy appears and then it becomes good. 808s sucked, yo.)
Beautiful Dark Fantasy - All of the Lights (THOSE DRUMS.)
I liked Big Brother. Hell I sorta grew to like Barry Bonds too. I mean, Barry bonds is in the bottom 5 % in terms of quality Kanye songs, but I loved the beats.

I've also realized that Barry Bonds as a song is Drake in a nutshell.

Shake Appeal said:
College Dropout: 8/10 ('Two Words')
Late Registration: 7/10 ('Drive Slow')
Graduation: 7/10 ('Flashing Lights')
808s: 7/10 ('Heartless')
MBDTF: 9/10 ('So Appalled')
So Appalled STILL doesn't get enough love.

Address me as your HIGHNESS
High as UNITED
Thirty thousand feet up, and you are not INVITED
 
scorcho said:
for the reason why there's a general frequency cut off at ~20khz at the higher bitrates - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_range

also - http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/can-you-hear-this-hearing-test/

i can still discern the 20khz frequency, but at a loss to hear 21khz and 22khz.
indeed.

and to add, the amount of potential sound you can hear is also limited by the frequency range of your headphones / speakers. My cans go up to something stupid like 47,000Hz which no human can hear...but I wouldn't be surprised if less expensive cans have a lower ceiling. I'd expect built-in computer speakers to be among the worst offenders.

anyway, yea the 22Hz was loud and clear on my ears. so it's no surprise that I can very clearly hear the difference between mp3 and FLAC on most occasions.

HiResDes said:
Yeah 18 is my limit, and no the little noise at the beginning doesn't count. If I can only hear 18 does that mean that I wouldn't be able to hear the difference from say lossless to 320kbps?
no, you would not. but again, that may be less about you hearing and more about the quality of what you're hearing with.
 

Ashhong

Member
haha, maybe I should try with something other than my Macbook Pro's speakers :lol

and thanks for the PM earlier

ha! i can hear 18, woot
 
enzo_gt said:
So Appalled STILL doesn't get enough love.

Address me as your HIGHNESS
High as UNITED
Thirty thousand feet up, and you are not INVITED
the day that you play me
will be the same day MTV play videos
that was a little joke, voila!
praise is due to the most high Allah!
praise is due to the most fly Prada!
baby I'm magic, ta-da!

probably my favourite beat on the record, too, though I can't help but love Blame Game for sampling Avril 14th
 

Ashhong

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I think Monster has one of Kanye's best verses/flows ever

The best living or dead hands down huh?
Less talk more head right now huh?
And my eyes more red than the devil is
And I’m bout to take it to another level bitch
There you go again, aint nobody as cold as this
Do the rap and the track, triple double no assist
But my only focus is staying on some bogus sh-t
Argue with my older bitch acting like I owe her sh-t
I heard the people sayin raps are gettin trap mayne
Bought the chain that always give me back pain
F-ckin up my money so yeh I had to act sane
Chi n-gga but he’s hold of his accent
She came up to me and said this the number 2
If you wanna make it number one your number 2 now
This that goose an’ malibu I call it Malibooya
God damn Yeezy How I hit em with the new style
Know that muthaf-cker well, what you gon do now
Whatever ever I wanna do, gosh its cool now
Nah gonna do, uhh its a new now
Think yo muthaf-cker really reall need to cool down
Cause you will never get on top off this
So mommy best advice is to get on top of this
Have you ever had sex with a pharoah
I put the p-ssy in a sarcophagus
Now she claiming I bruise her esophagus
Head of the class and she just want a swallowship
I’m living the future so the presence is my past
My presence is a present kiss my ass
 
Shake Appeal said:
the day that you play me
will be the same day MTV play videos
that was a little joke, voila!
praise is due to the most high Allah!
praise is due to the most fly Prada!
baby I'm magic, ta-da!

probably my favourite beat on the record, too, though I can't help but love Blame Game for sampling Avril 14th
I kinda hate the voilàs and "get it?"s. Jay-Z does it too.

Anyone know that site that was posted a while back that has all the lyrics meanings?
 

SpeedingUptoStop

will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Ashhong said:
I think Monster has one of Kanye's best verses/flows ever

The best living or dead hands down huh?
Less talk more head right now huh?
And my eyes more red than the devil is
And I’m bout to take it to another level bitch
There you go again, aint nobody as cold as this
Do the rap and the track, triple double no assist
But my only focus is staying on some bogus sh-t
Argue with my older bitch acting like I owe her sh-t
I heard the people sayin raps are gettin trap mayne
Bought the chain that always give me back pain
F-ckin up my money so yeh I had to act sane
Chi n-gga but he’s hold of his accent
She came up to me and said this the number 2
If you wanna make it number one your number 2 now
This that goose an’ malibu I call it Malibooya
God damn Yeezy How I hit em with the new style
Know that muthaf-cker well, what you gon do now
Whatever ever I wanna do, gosh its cool now
Nah gonna do, uhh its a new now
Think yo muthaf-cker really reall need to cool down
Cause you will never get on top off this
So mommy best advice is to get on top of this
Have you ever had sex with a pharoah
I put the p-ssy in a sarcophagus
Now she claiming I bruise her esophagus
Head of the class and she just want a swallowship
I’m living the future so the presence is my past
My presence is a present kiss my ass
Certainly the most memorable flow. Definitely the easiest to remember verse of the record, and he says it with such confidence you wish you could say it as good as he does.
 

DasRaven

Member
Mikasangelos said:
15....FML

Don't feel bad, I barely hear 14.

In album order.

*College Dropout:
Champ - Never Let Me Down (flawless)
Honorable - Two Words, Everything else, even the skits.

*Late Registration:
Champ - Crack Music
Honorable - We Major, Drive Slow

*Graduation:
Champ - Can't Tell Me Nothing
Honorable - Stronger, Everything I Am

*My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy: (one playthrough so far)
Champ - Monster
Honorable - Runaway, Hell of a Life
 

ATF487

Member
Ashhong said:
I think Monster has one of Kanye's best verses/flows ever

The best living or dead hands down huh?
Less talk more head right now huh?
And my eyes more red than the devil is
And I’m bout to take it to another level bitch
There you go again, aint nobody as cold as this
Do the rap and the track, triple double no assist
But my only focus is staying on some bogus sh-t
Argue with my older bitch acting like I owe her sh-t
I heard the people sayin raps are gettin trap mayne
Bought the chain that always give me back pain
F-ckin up my money so yeh I had to act sane
Chi n-gga but he’s hold of his accent
She came up to me and said this the number 2
If you wanna make it number one your number 2 now
This that goose an’ malibu I call it Malibooya
God damn Yeezy How I hit em with the new style
Know that muthaf-cker well, what you gon do now
Whatever ever I wanna do, gosh its cool now
Nah gonna do, uhh its a new now
Think yo muthaf-cker really reall need to cool down
Cause you will never get on top off this
So mommy best advice is to get on top of this
Have you ever had sex with a pharoah
I put the p-ssy in a sarcophagus
Now she claiming I bruise her esophagus
Head of the class and she just want a swallowship
I’m living the future so the presence is my past
My presence is a present kiss my ass

Love the Napoleon Dynamite reference :lol
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Ashhong said:
I think Monster has one of Kanye's best verses/flows ever

The best living or dead hands down huh?
Less talk more head right now huh?
And my eyes more red than the devil is
And I’m bout to take it to another level bitch
There you go again, aint nobody as cold as this
Do the rap and the track, triple double no assist
But my only focus is staying on some bogus sh-t
Argue with my older bitch acting like I owe her sh-t
I heard the people sayin raps are gettin trap mayne
Bought the chain that always give me back pain
F-ckin up my money so yeh I had to act sane
Chi n-gga but he’s hold of his accent
She came up to me and said this the number 2
If you wanna make it number one your number 2 now
This that goose an’ malibu I call it Malibooya
God damn Yeezy How I hit em with the new style

Know that muthaf-cker well, what you gon do now
Whatever ever I wanna do, gosh its cool now
Nah gonna do, uhh its a new now
Think yo muthaf-cker really reall need to cool down
Cause you will never get on top off this
So mommy best advice is to get on top of this
Have you ever had sex with a pharoah
I put the p-ssy in a sarcophagus
Now she claiming I bruise her esophagus
Head of the class and she just want a swallowship
I’m living the future so the presence is my past
My presence is a present kiss my ass
The flow on this part of this verse is impeccable. Kanye's lyricism <3
 
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