Ghost in the Shell director Mamoru Oshii says political correctness has made western games ‘terrible’

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I'm not type of person who calls everything little thing "woke" but western entertainment media are absolutely suffering from whole political correctness…..especially Disney movies, they are now insufferable.
Same. I hate censorship in general and the ENDLESS TRASH Disney or Netflix or Amazon keep pumping out to satisfy their greed.
It was not just DEI stuff, Cinema is not the same anymore, this subscription services dominate and release one trash after another.
 
Don't care about most western devs nowadays. I just hope the japanese keep their identity and don't get too westernized in the years to come.
 
Yeah, definitely. I like the idea of social justice in theory, but not to the point it sanitizes plot or character nuance.
Basically where I'm at. Depending on the situation, it doesn't bug me. But it all depends on what it is and its extent. Personally I've yet to experience anything that took me aback so much that it affected how I felt about the game, made me stop, etc. I don't think it'd ever get to that point, but I'm also not searching for those things. I just want games I'm excited about and are fun to play. There have just been a number of games where it's clear what's going on, and majority of the time those games clearly aren't for me. Dustborn, and that one Greek God game (Not Hades 1/2, it's some indie game, I don't remember the name) are just a couple of those examples.

That being said, that's an extremely broad and blanketed statement. You can definitely pin point examples he's referring to, but there are also plenty of others that "weren't affected by political correctness" and were just not good/great games. Why those exist? No clue. But as I've gotten older I've accepted that there are games out there that just aren't for me, and that's the reality of it all. So, I just pay attention to those that look cool and I'm into.

Also yeah, not a big anime fan, but my god does CG in anime often look awful as hell, lol.
 
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Well woke agenda especially pertaining to twisted gender ideology being force and push, is a poison to the entertainment industry.
 

My apologies in advance if this is deemed political, mods can then feel free to remove the thread.

For those that don't want to read the article. This is a snippet of what he said:
He cut the lesbian orgy from the Ghost in the Shell movie.
 
It's sad seeing someone like this become so lame.
I guess some people really think Trump's delusions are reality
 
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It is lack of passion and love for what they are making. Many classic would be considered woke by today's standards but the love was there so the quality followed.
 
Oshii: Political correctness started from the idea of giving legitimacy to the socially weak. There is nothing wrong with that. In a mature society, it is a natural responsibility. However, the problem is that it has taken that as its starting point and made the socially weak into the strong.

Oshii: They were given priority in getting into school, and priority in finding a job. What's more, the companies that advised them charged them ridiculous amounts in consulting fees. Game companies ask for hundreds of millions of yen from them.

Going to need him to be specific about who he considers the socially weak and why it's a problem to make them socially strong lol. And explain the priority situation.
 
Are you implying the game is woke? Can you explain your position instead baiting people with shit posts?

I'm not baiting anybody. I just totally disagree with this Director. No Clair 33 isn't woke from what I understand, but some have tried to claim it is based on a few screenshots. But that doesn't matter. This stupid ass Sith like thinking is garbage. As if all Western games are terrible. Fuck outta here with that bullshit Mr. Japanese man.

I'm sick of dumb ass culture wars bullshit! And now it's involving the Japanese? Now it's gotta be the West vs. the East? How stupid do we all have to be now?
 
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Exactly! People are acting as if games like Helldivers 2 doesn't exist. It just came out a year ago and became Playstation's fastest selling game in history. From a Western developer! But I guess we have to ignore that though.
Oshii is speaking broadly about a subset of Western games that are heavily influenced by political correctness, he isn't condemning all Western games.
 
Oshii is speaking broadly about a subset of Western games that are heavily influenced by political correctness, he isn't condemning all Western games.


But he said this in the interview............

Western games are really terrible, political correctness

So, it sounds like he is condemning all Western games.
 
But he said this in the interview............



So, it sounds like he is condemning all Western games.
That sentence is fragmented, but he is attributing the decline to political correctness. Not every game is designed to be politically correct.
 
That sentence is fragmented, but he is attributing the decline to political correctness. Not every game is designed to be politically correct.

I even hate the idea that he (I'm not taking away anything he's added to culture or any of his content in any way) should be the governor of the quality of Western games. Pretty presumptuous of him.

When Jonathan Blow did the same awful thing to Eastern devs, I thought it was foul too. And Blow was wrong about Japanese devs.


There are two kinds of western games: European-made and American-made

See how this starts to get tricky?
 
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I even hate the idea that he (I'm not taking away anything he's added to culture or any of his content in any way) should be the governor of the quality of Western games. Pretty presumptuous of him.

When Jonathan Blow did the same awful thing to Eastern devs, I thought it was foul too. And Blow was wrong about Japanese devs.
Like, I get that it appears as if he is generalising Western games, but he's core point is an observation about political correctness and its influence on Western games. He is lamenting it from the perspective of an artist. He's entitled to that as was Jonathan Blow. Even though I strongly disagree with what Blow said (if we're talking about that same conference where a Japanese guy came up to the mic to ask a question), he formed an opinion on Japanese game design which he didn't like. Both are making subjective critiques.
 
See how this starts to get tricky?
It is factual that the majority of the american productions made in the last couple of years were constantly throwing the same patterned topics in everyone's face to the verge of exhaustion, fortunately enough this trend is slowly fading out for the better
 
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Of course he doesnt mean every game but the predominant culture environment in which they are made. The same applies to every entertainment production in the last decade.

How many western IPs from this era will be remembered in future generations? I can hardly think of 2-3. Nothing today has any cultural impact. the vast majority of fiction we get is either remake/reboot/nostalgia bait or woke trash.

And I'm afraid changing this won't be as easy as a finger snap. It takes real talent to reverse the course and that kind of talent is gone. They have to rehire all the people that were let go by this woke frenzy.
 
Seems like a really pointless quote. Why does this thread exist? Seems like it's just an excuse to moan about western titles because the female characters are "ugly".

Also, there are plenty of non woke yet completely derivative games from Eastern developers.
Just because they have old school mechanics or they're more combat based makes them somehow true games, and modern western titles are just woke walking simulators.
That's the general vibe I get around here, and it's just daft.
 
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Inb4 people that don't know fuck all about Mamoru Oshii, the purple syphillis, start flinging their macrobiotic shit against him. Or if they know about him, melting their dry brain through their ears trying to pin something on him.

It will be very funny to see them try burn him at the stake, the OG that took lubricated lesbian Motoko Kusanagi and her story and made her a flagbearer of transhumanism in the most beautiful way possible. 😎
Calm down cowboy.
 
If you're not the frog that's been slowly boiled in DEI culture its glaringly obvious how nonsensical it all is.
The problem is the ones who have committed to it are so convinced of their self-righteousness all they do is double-down even in the face of clear and rational counter-arguments.

All that being said, the really scary part is what comes next.

The push-back is underway, and like wokism started as an initially reasonable sounding proposition that to remedy societal imbalance we need to collectively put our thumb on the scale - but was never set an end-point at which it'd be taken off again... THE EXACT SAME CONSIDERATIONS APPLY TO THIS RE-RECORRECTION.

I've been saying for a long time that the Woke and Anti-Woke are playing the same game, just for opposing teams. So unless we want to allow their most radical proponents to drive the culture towards a mirror-image of the current extreme edge of progressivism, we need to decide what the end goal should be.

My point is simply that there is a pendulum effect, and yes, right now its swung way off to the left, for the love of God let's not get carried away and allow it to counter-swing to an equal extreme on the opposite side in our desire to set things right.

Stability happens in the centre.
 
Like, I get that it appears as if he is generalising Western games, but he's core point is an observation about political correctness and its influence on Western games. He is lamenting it from the perspective of an artist. He's entitled to that as was Jonathan Blow. Even though I strongly disagree with what Blow said (if we're talking about that same conference where a Japanese guy came up to the mic to ask a question), he formed an opinion on Japanese game design which he didn't like. Both are making subjective critiques.
That was Phil Fish btw, not Jon Blow.
 
Man knows his craft, GiTS is an amazig movie that no one in the west would dare to do to avoid hurting someone...
 
Like, I get that it appears as if he is generalising Western games, but he's core point is an observation about political correctness and its influence on Western games. He is lamenting it from the perspective of an artist. He's entitled to that as was Jonathan Blow. Even though I strongly disagree with what Blow said (if we're talking about that same conference where a Japanese guy came up to the mic to ask a question), he formed an opinion on Japanese game design which he didn't like. Both are making subjective critiques.

Yeah it was that conference. Never liked what Blow said. Wasn't fair at all. If a subjective critique isn't fair or correct, then someone has to say something.
 
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