Walliwallipaloo
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Art is not the only thing this is destroying. And yes, it is by design.
Ghost in the Shell director Mamoru Oshii says political correctness has made western games ‘terrible’
mckmas8808
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That's my point. It's not woke! Yet it's a Western made game.
Judge Magister
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Same. I hate censorship in general and the ENDLESS TRASH Disney or Netflix or Amazon keep pumping out to satisfy their greed.
It was not just DEI stuff, Cinema is not the same anymore, this subscription services dominate and release one trash after another.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Don't care about most western devs nowadays. I just hope the japanese keep their identity and don't get too westernized in the years to come.
MiguelItUp
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Basically where I'm at. Depending on the situation, it doesn't bug me. But it all depends on what it is and its extent. Personally I've yet to experience anything that took me aback so much that it affected how I felt about the game, made me stop, etc. I don't think it'd ever get to that point, but I'm also not searching for those things. I just want games I'm excited about and are fun to play. There have just been a number of games where it's clear what's going on, and majority of the time those games clearly aren't for me. Dustborn, and that one Greek God game (Not Hades 1/2, it's some indie game, I don't remember the name) are just a couple of those examples.
That being said, that's an extremely broad and blanketed statement. You can definitely pin point examples he's referring to, but there are also plenty of others that "weren't affected by political correctness" and were just not good/great games. Why those exist? No clue. But as I've gotten older I've accepted that there are games out there that just aren't for me, and that's the reality of it all. So, I just pay attention to those that look cool and I'm into.
Also yeah, not a big anime fan, but my god does CG in anime often look awful as hell, lol.
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some west games are not woke but a lot are.
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Unknown Soldier
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Today's reminder if you're tired of Western AAAA woke slop, Japan is making amazing video games these days and you should play them
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Because it's a Western game pretending to be an Eastern one (JRPG) by a dev who is not ideologically captured by the woke mind virus.
Exceptions to the rule don't disprove the rule.
Generic
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He cut the lesbian orgy from the Ghost in the Shell movie.
Ghost in the Shell director Mamoru Oshii says political correctness has made western games ‘terrible’
In a recent interview, legendary anime film director Mamoru Oshii called out "political correctness" saying that he has a "strong aversion" to it in his work. Oshii is famous for his work throughout…nichegamer.com
My apologies in advance if this is deemed political, mods can then feel free to remove the thread.
For those that don't want to read the article. This is a snippet of what he said:
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Because it's made by ex-devs that probably left due that shit.
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Unknown Soldier
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Because while all woke games are Western, not all Western games are woke
Guardian Monkey
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That's pretty ironic, that generally the people he is pointing out are the biggest fanbase of anime especially when broken down by subgroups.
mckmas8808
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Kacho
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Are you implying the game is woke? Can you explain your position instead baiting people with shit posts?
Guardian Monkey
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They are responding to "Exceptions to the rule don't disprove the rule.", depending on the context, that statement can be challenged.
Kacho
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He didn't challenge it. He posted a gif.
mckmas8808
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I'm not baiting anybody. I just totally disagree with this Director. No Clair 33 isn't woke from what I understand, but some have tried to claim it is based on a few screenshots. But that doesn't matter. This stupid ass Sith like thinking is garbage. As if all Western games are terrible. Fuck outta here with that bullshit Mr. Japanese man.
I'm sick of dumb ass culture wars bullshit! And now it's involving the Japanese? Now it's gotta be the West vs. the East? How stupid do we all have to be now?
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MrTroubleMaker
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its true
Guardian Monkey
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It was pretty self-explanatory.
mckmas8808
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Exactly! People are acting as if games like Helldivers 2 doesn't exist. It just came out a year ago and became Playstation's fastest selling game in history. From a Western developer! But I guess we have to ignore that though.
near
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Oshii is speaking broadly about a subset of Western games that are heavily influenced by political correctness, he isn't condemning all Western games.
mckmas8808
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But he said this in the interview............
So, it sounds like he is condemning all Western games.
near
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That sentence is fragmented, but he is attributing the decline to political correctness. Not every game is designed to be politically correct.
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mckmas8808
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I even hate the idea that he (I'm not taking away anything he's added to culture or any of his content in any way) should be the governor of the quality of Western games. Pretty presumptuous of him.
When Jonathan Blow did the same awful thing to Eastern devs, I thought it was foul too. And Blow was wrong about Japanese devs.
See how this starts to get tricky?
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Hey look, after the shit Western devs gave Japanese games during the 360/PS3 gen I just think this is probably some form of karma
near
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Like, I get that it appears as if he is generalising Western games, but he's core point is an observation about political correctness and its influence on Western games. He is lamenting it from the perspective of an artist. He's entitled to that as was Jonathan Blow. Even though I strongly disagree with what Blow said (if we're talking about that same conference where a Japanese guy came up to the mic to ask a question), he formed an opinion on Japanese game design which he didn't like. Both are making subjective critiques.
Ryu_Joestar
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It is factual that the majority of the american productions made in the last couple of years were constantly throwing the same patterned topics in everyone's face to the verge of exhaustion, fortunately enough this trend is slowly fading out for the better
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Angry_Megalodon
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Of course he doesnt mean every game but the predominant culture environment in which they are made. The same applies to every entertainment production in the last decade.
How many western IPs from this era will be remembered in future generations? I can hardly think of 2-3. Nothing today has any cultural impact. the vast majority of fiction we get is either remake/reboot/nostalgia bait or woke trash.
And I'm afraid changing this won't be as easy as a finger snap. It takes real talent to reverse the course and that kind of talent is gone. They have to rehire all the people that were let go by this woke frenzy.
How many western IPs from this era will be remembered in future generations? I can hardly think of 2-3. Nothing today has any cultural impact. the vast majority of fiction we get is either remake/reboot/nostalgia bait or woke trash.
And I'm afraid changing this won't be as easy as a finger snap. It takes real talent to reverse the course and that kind of talent is gone. They have to rehire all the people that were let go by this woke frenzy.
Verchod
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Seems like a really pointless quote. Why does this thread exist? Seems like it's just an excuse to moan about western titles because the female characters are "ugly".
Also, there are plenty of non woke yet completely derivative games from Eastern developers.
Just because they have old school mechanics or they're more combat based makes them somehow true games, and modern western titles are just woke walking simulators.
That's the general vibe I get around here, and it's just daft.
Also, there are plenty of non woke yet completely derivative games from Eastern developers.
Just because they have old school mechanics or they're more combat based makes them somehow true games, and modern western titles are just woke walking simulators.
That's the general vibe I get around here, and it's just daft.
Jigsaah
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Calm down cowboy.
Inb4 people that don't know fuck all about Mamoru Oshii, the purple syphillis, start flinging their macrobiotic shit against him. Or if they know about him, melting their dry brain through their ears trying to pin something on him.
It will be very funny to see them try burn him at the stake, the OG that took lubricated lesbian Motoko Kusanagi and her story and made her a flagbearer of transhumanism in the most beautiful way possible.
Werewolf Jones
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Didn't you witness the 360/PS3 era? They already did that and it failed.
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If you're not the frog that's been slowly boiled in DEI culture its glaringly obvious how nonsensical it all is.
The problem is the ones who have committed to it are so convinced of their self-righteousness all they do is double-down even in the face of clear and rational counter-arguments.
All that being said, the really scary part is what comes next.
The push-back is underway, and like wokism started as an initially reasonable sounding proposition that to remedy societal imbalance we need to collectively put our thumb on the scale - but was never set an end-point at which it'd be taken off again... THE EXACT SAME CONSIDERATIONS APPLY TO THIS RE-RECORRECTION.
I've been saying for a long time that the Woke and Anti-Woke are playing the same game, just for opposing teams. So unless we want to allow their most radical proponents to drive the culture towards a mirror-image of the current extreme edge of progressivism, we need to decide what the end goal should be.
My point is simply that there is a pendulum effect, and yes, right now its swung way off to the left, for the love of God let's not get carried away and allow it to counter-swing to an equal extreme on the opposite side in our desire to set things right.
Stability happens in the centre.
The problem is the ones who have committed to it are so convinced of their self-righteousness all they do is double-down even in the face of clear and rational counter-arguments.
All that being said, the really scary part is what comes next.
The push-back is underway, and like wokism started as an initially reasonable sounding proposition that to remedy societal imbalance we need to collectively put our thumb on the scale - but was never set an end-point at which it'd be taken off again... THE EXACT SAME CONSIDERATIONS APPLY TO THIS RE-RECORRECTION.
I've been saying for a long time that the Woke and Anti-Woke are playing the same game, just for opposing teams. So unless we want to allow their most radical proponents to drive the culture towards a mirror-image of the current extreme edge of progressivism, we need to decide what the end goal should be.
My point is simply that there is a pendulum effect, and yes, right now its swung way off to the left, for the love of God let's not get carried away and allow it to counter-swing to an equal extreme on the opposite side in our desire to set things right.
Stability happens in the centre.
Kacho
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That was Phil Fish btw, not Jon Blow.
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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I love Ghost in the Shell. I sincerely hope the new series is better than the last. Rest in peace Chief Aramaki.
mckmas8808
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Yeah it was that conference. Never liked what Blow said. Wasn't fair at all. If a subjective critique isn't fair or correct, then someone has to say something.