Their purpose is to show what ex-Confederates (and others after) did to propagate the Lost Cause. One my professors gives Lost Cause tours in Cville (though those may end now).
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Kentucky mayor: 2 Confederate statues to come down after Charlottesville
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Their purpose is to show what ex-Confederates (and others after) did to propagate the Lost Cause. One my professors gives Lost Cause tours in Cville (though those may end now).
Glass Shark
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And we are at that stage of the playbook
Frozenprince
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This statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest (KKK founder) is visible from the main interstate that runs through Nashville
Not only is it horrible that we have a monument to this fucker, the thing is hideous
Wait what Nathan Bedford Forrest got a fucking statue?
The most virulently racist and bigoted man the war produced?
The man who's entire regiment he funded with his own wealth to "snuff out the rights of the negroes, as they are our only laboring class"?
What the FUCK. How did I not know this...
Arrogant Bastard
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Dude, what are you talking about? You said I was basically supporting racism because I feel that the shit belongs in a museum instead of being blown up.
Your argument hinged on Germany being worse off because they deny their history, which is totally wrong.
They still putting Nazis on trail
Sunster
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I went to Robert E. Lee High School and our football rival was Nathan Bedford Forrest High.... That's the south for you.
Frozenprince
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Man I grew up in the south and ain't see no Nathan Bedford Forrest shit.
I figured they'd at least keep that shit to Mississippi.
ReplacementPelican
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That's so fucking insane. What the fuck is actually wrong with the South that this is acceptable?
Arrogant Bastard
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Okay, so me being wrong, means I basically support racism how exactly?
Honestly, I don't see how you made that leap, it's fucked up man.
Frozenprince
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"Southern pride"
There's one near me, but I didn't know there were this many.. damn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee_High_School
ReplacementPelican
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Pride in what? Losing a war? Fighting for slavery? Poor education? Gaudy trucks?
How did they teach the Civil War there?
Were the slaves happy and the war itself about Northern Aggression?
whitemex88
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Looks like a 4th grade contest winner sculptureThis statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest is visible from the main interstate that runs through Nashville
Not only is it horrible that we have a monument to this fucker, the thing is hideous
Arrogant Bastard
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Glass Shark
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The monument is on private land and the guy who owns it doesn't want to take it down, even though he claims he's "not a racist"
The city tried to put up something to block its view from the road at least, but the state wouldn't let them
the South sucks
Frozenprince
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Most of them were renamed in the last decade, I know the one in San An was. Folks on my facebook were making a big to do about it when it happened.
Edit: I guess fucking not given a tertiary google search shows I'm wrong. Shit must have been one of the others.
This symbols were used as the rallying point that lead to the deaths today. There is no value in their preservation. Especially when america is racist as fuck. We have history books, we don't need physical reminders, especially since there is no shortage of them and most of them was erected against the civil rights movement as a "take that niggers".
Arrogant Bastard
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Still have Lee College that is for sure, shits even on Lee Drive.
Cool, and see we can disagree there without you saying I'm implicitly supporting racism because I disagree. I mean hell, how am I supposed to engage after that? Yah, it made me want to bounce because it didn't feel like we were going to get anywhere if that was your immediate takeaway.
I immediately don't like the idea of simply blowing up heinous shit in our past. It isn't going to make it go away, why not try to attempt to reclaim it and use it as an educational tool?
This statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest is visible from the main interstate that runs through Nashville
Not only is it horrible that we have a monument to this fucker, the thing is hideous
http://www.tennessean.com/story/new...villes-request-block-forrest-statue/30412745/
It was built less than 20 years ago on private property, the state cut down trees so it could be seen, and now won't replant them...
Sunster
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North Florida is very very deep south racist.
My school was roughly 70% black and many of the teachers were black so there was no fuckery in that dept I think. This is all in Jacksonville, FL btw
That's the thing about Lee.
He's been on five US postage stamps. His house in Arlington is a national memorial. He was the centerpiece of the Lost Cause.
shawnbuddy
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This statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest is visible from the main interstate that runs through Nashville
Not only is it horrible that we have a monument to this fucker, the thing is hideous
Holy shit, that looks deranged.
Frozenprince
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Funny thing about Arlington is it was made the national cemetery purely out of spite AGAINST Lee.
AntraxSuicide
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Over the last hundred or so years, our country has made a number of decisions that have led to the Lost Cause narrative of the Old South to take root. For example, the FBI was created and staffed almost exclusively with Southern law enforcement as a compromise to allow the Bureau to be set up as independently as it was. This led to the chief body who should've investigated federal hate crimes during Jim Crow being staffed by people who supported such laws.
There's a whole lot of this stuff. Partially because of racist sabotage (Grant's reputation as president is tarred to hell and back for largely nothing, as we're now learning), and partially because people capitulated to Southern demands in a misguided effort to keep the peace.
To answer your question directly, the statues and such are one of those capitulations. The South wanted the Confederates buried and remembered as veterans, not traitors, and so we gave them that. This was a big mistake. The correct measure would've been something akin to the Nuremberg Trials where we should've hanged the top military brass of the CSA on the National Mall and branded their efforts as entirely un-American.
It's there to scare black people.
AntraxSuicide
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You ain't been to Memphis. And yeah, there's a ton of it here in MS as well. I teach at Ole Miss and we've got several of them; one of them refers to the Civil War as a "Just and Holy Cause" on it. There's a plaque there now (just added like months ago) that "contextualizes" it, but I think that's a load of shit. Someone should back a truck up to it with a wench and pull them all down.
More info:
http://www.kentucky.com/news/local/counties/fayette-county/article166934037.html
The plan is to move it to a public park, but include additional information with them.
http://www.kentucky.com/news/local/counties/fayette-county/article166934037.html
The plan is to move it to a public park, but include additional information with them.
Arrogant Bastard
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Cause you don't hang people for displaying a flag? Hang the people who fought the rebellion, you bet. Hang the racist asshat flying the damn thing down I-45, nah, I honestly wish they would just tattoo the shit on their forehead so I can easily write them off.
This statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest is visible from the main interstate that runs through Nashville
Not only is it horrible that we have a monument to this fucker, the thing is hideous
That is some bad art. I vote we have a smelting party.
Masterspeed
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I'm glad they're not getting destroyed. History should never be destroyed, regardless of how fucked up it is. I hope they're relocated to a museum so everyone can see how we can all change from what once was
Still is,
sadly.
sadly.
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Let them laud over all the brown children them and their worshipers wish they could own
I was expecting too much from Kentucky
Glass Shark
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Arrogant Bastard
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Yep, 100% shit response then.
No, that isn't a good solution. It keeps them in open public view, where they do not belong at all. Put the crap in a museum somewhere, slap a charge on it and donate all proceeds to a charity.
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But historians could have learned so much from that giant swastika!
BrutishMrFish
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The only way they could have fucked that up more is if they tried to have that thing replace the Statue of Liberty.
I posted a discussion with a Civil War historian in another thread, but his point was that keeping them in open view and adding additional signage allows more people to learn about the Lost Cause (vs. the number of people who go to museums). Moving it from the lawn of a former courthouse is definitely a step, though I do agree that putting them in a museum is inevitable.
I was fairly certain it was implied.
Plus, if they actually felt it needed to come down ASAP, it would've been down already. If you can push up the date, you (by definition) did not put the highest priority on its removal originally.