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[Strike]

Long overdue. We should've properly dealt with this during reconstruction.

 

[powersurge]

Yeah I wish my area would remove/rename these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace_Tunnel

http://www.pensapedia.com/wiki/Lee_Square

Still can't believe its still named after Wallace yeesh.

 

[cdyhybrid]

And it takes time and resources to move things like that. They already planned to move them. They are just removing them faster because of today. Again, as the OP states. Or are you mad they weren't removed by dusk today?

If they have the time and resources to move it up after the events today, they had the time and resources to move it up yesterday. Or the day before.

So again, was taking these down just not as important before the terrorist attacks today?

 

[Nepenthe]

Wish they'd do it to the face of Stone Mountain, but it brings in too much money for the state.

Still would be awesome to scour it though. Granite prices would drop hard for a bit.

Me and my mom were talking about that this morning. I was wondering out loud if it'd be possible to just waterblast that shit off.

 

[The One and Done™]

What will happen to the statues after they are taken down

 

[mlclmtckr]

If they have the time and resources to move it up after the events today, they had the time and resources to move it up yesterday. Or the day before?

So again, was taking these down just not as important before the terrorist attacks today?

It's always been horrific that they ever existed in the first place but yeah, I think it actually is even more important to tear them down now.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

What will happen to the statues after they are taken down

Smelting party!

 

[platocplx]

Long overdue. We should've properly dealt with this during reconstruction.

They should've hung the traitors and given reparations to slaves. Things may have been a totally different story then. You don't kumbya with insidious insurrection of that nature.

 

[cdyhybrid]

It's always been horrific that they ever existed in the first place but yeah, I think it actually is even more important to tear them down now.

Then my original point stands - it's a shame that this is what it takes for them to get off their asses and actually do something about it.

 

[whyamihere]

Gray should be a senator instead of Rand Paul.

 

[Yoshimitsu126]

Yes, remove them all.

 

[The One and Done™]

Smelting party!

I hope so

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Then my original point stands - it's a shame that this is what it takes for them to get off their asses and actually do something about it.

And you are still missing the point that they were going to anyways. Yes, it took too long in that they waited until 2017 to do it. Shit. It's a problem they are even up to begin with. But they still planned on taking them down before the events of today anyways. They just simply announced the plans early because of the events.

 

[AoM]

What will happen to the statues after they are taken down

Storage/museums.

Yeah I wish my area would remove/rename these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace_Tunnel

http://www.pensapedia.com/wiki/Lee_Square

Still can't believe its still named after Wallace yeesh.

I don't know about in Alabama/Florida, but here in VA even some schools are named after prominent Confederates. We'll see how today's events affect them.

 

[Dr.Sanchez]

This is nice to hear. No reason to glorify the Confederates.

 

[cdyhybrid]

And you are still missing the point that they were going to anyways. Yes, it took too long in that they waited until 2017 to do it. Shit. It's a problem they are even up to begin with. But they still planned on taking them down before the events of today anyways. They just simply announced the plans early because of the events.

I'm not missing the point at all. I know they were going to take them down already.

For the third time, it's a shame that it takes terrorist attacks for them to finally get through their head that taking these down ASAP is important.

 

[MineralCraver420]

As someone who's never been to America, I was shocked to hear about the fact that all these confederate statues and flags were still up a couple of years ago. It's disgusting that objects that stand for such terrible values and behaviors are not only allowed, but displayed in public places with pride. Good on the mayor for taking some serious action on this issue.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Good.

 

[HeySeuss]

I'm actually surprised they didn't use today's events as reason not to take them down. Good on that Mayor for standing up for what is right

 

[Trickster]

Haven't been following the removal of confederate monument that's been going on. Do they just tear them down, or do they actually conserve them and place them in museums? As bad as their symbolic meaning is, I think they should be conserved for history.

 

[kess]

Ya know, Union statues are underappreciated and actually feature workers and soldiers instead of, uh, the leaders of a class aristocracy built on a racial caste system.

One flag, fuckers!

 

[Loxley]

Haven't been following the removal of confederate monument that's been going on. Do they just tear them down, or do they actually conserve them and place them in museums? As bad as their symbolic meaning is, I think they should be conserved for history.

From what I've seen the majority have been moved to museums.

 

[Kthulhu]

We don't do nearly enough to teach how bad slavery and by extension the Confederacy was, but this is a start.

 

[Trickster]

From what I've seen the majority have been moved to museums.

Okay happy to hear that. That also just makes people mad about their removal, because it's part of their heritage or whatever, look even more stupid.

 

[Ogodei]

No, don't do this. I really don't want it purged like this, denazification wasn't the best solution. This should be used as an educational tool to show where we went wrong.

What? Denazification worked (at least in West Germany). Certainly the better approach than what was tried in Italy or Japan where remnants of the aggressor regime were cultivated and tolerated for Cold War purposes while the Nazis were purged root and branch from public life.

Virginia's next step needs to be to rename Jefferson Davis Highway. The City of Alexandria already renamed their leg of it, the northbound lane called Patrick Street and the southbound lane called Henry Street, but the rest of it needs to go too.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

So the line that has to be crossed is terrorist attacks in broad daylight, eh?

Until then it's just honoring heritage?

Were the statues not still up today?

If they have the time and resources to move it up after the events today, they had the time and resources to move it up yesterday. Or the day before.

So again, was taking these down just not as important before the terrorist attacks today?

Then my original point stands - it's a shame that this is what it takes for them to get off their asses and actually do something about it.

I'm not missing the point at all. I know they were going to take them down already.

For the third time, it's a shame that it takes terrorist attacks for them to finally get through their head that taking these down ASAP is important.

Your final post finally uses ASAP, which is what was missing before. All your previous posts implied they weren't doing shit, but adding the time modifier finally makes sense. Thank you for finally adding that. If that was there before there would not be any confusion to this before.

 

[AoM]

We don't do nearly enough to teach how bad slavery and by extension the Confederacy was, but this is a start.

I'd say more so the period after. More time should be spent on Reconstruction (or the lack thereof) and the Lost Cause.

In high school, I remember it went like:

- Civil War
..
..
- Ok, time for WW1!

 

[kess]

As someone who's never been to America, I was shocked to hear about the fact that all these confederate statues and flags were still up a couple of years ago. It's disgusting that objects that stand for such terrible values and behaviors are not only allowed, but displayed in public places with pride. Good on the mayor for taking some serious action on this issue.

Confederate flags are a dime a dozen in parts of rural America, because rebelzzzzzz

And racism, but most people won't admit to that.

 

[lifeexpectancy]

Wish they'd do it to the face of Stone Mountain, but it brings in too much money for the state.

Still would be awesome to scour it though. Granite prices would drop hard for a bit.

I feel like the vast majority of the park's income stems from it now being a "theme park" with the dinos and all that. They could blast the confederates off of the bass relief and re-carve it into a giant "FREEDOM" piece (either just the letters or come up with something more artistic). The park would still be there raking in $$ for the state, just with a different carving in the rock.

 

[Frozenprince]

P.G.T. Beauregard has a litany of statues and he hated antibellum and postbellum US life so much he fled the country to go fight with foreign armies. He died rich, fat and old.

But he gets a statue for being a "southern patriot".

Jubal Early fled to Mexico with several other Confederate generals to avoid being tried as traitors, he died rich, fat and old.

But he gets a statue for being a "southern patriot".

These were traitors who waged open and wanton war against their fellow countrymen, along with scores of others, and none were put to death. Andrew Johnson pardoned almost the entirety of the Confederate Officers Corp that were still among the living, and all of their senators, congressmen, governors and Jefferson Davis himself.

There is no reason these men should have statues. Tear them down, put ones of Sherman, Grant, Lincoln, Winfield Scott Hancock, and George Meade, the real United States heroes, and lets all be done with it.

 

[shawnbuddy]

As a Kentuckian I am glad to hear this. Good job, Jim!

 

[DietRob]

Great news. This is going to cause more people to show their whole asses too. Hopefully there will not be another domestic terrorist attack.

 

[fixedpoint]

I think we need to learn from the Ukrainians in their purge of Soviet Era statues. Just random groups of citizens going out and tearing that shit down

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bree_Newsome

 

[DedalusJoyce]

No, don't do this. I really don't want it purged like this, denazification wasn't the best solution. This should be used as an educational tool to show where we went wrong.

You would have lost the war with that attitude. Its similar to "lets sit down and talk to these nazi assholes and hear what they have to say" mentality.

Sometimes you need to bring shit down to build anew. This is one of the biggest problems I see with how USA dealt with Civil War. There should be zero tolarence for any of this shit.

 

[Geist-]

Ya know, Union statues are underappreciated and actually feature workers and soldiers instead of, uh, the leaders of a class aristocracy built on a racial caste system.

One flag, fuckers!

Let's just replace all the confederate statues with Union ones. Just to rub it in those traitor's faces.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

You would have lost the war with that attitude. Its similar to "lets sit down and talk to these nazi assholes and hear what they have to say" mentality.

Sometimes you need to bring shit down to build anew. This is one of the biggest problems I see with how USA dealt with Civil War. There should be zero tolarence for any of this shit.

Maybe I wasn't clear cause I was in numerous threads. The issue I have with denazification is it let the vast majority of Germany off the hook, it basically erased that period of history like it never existed. It happened and Germany and the populace should continually have to deal with it. Sure you want to blow up a couple monuments to show it as a fuck you, okay. I just think the overwhelming majority of it should have went into museums to use as a historical lesson on what they did, collectively. I'm not talking about trying/hanging the perpetrators.

It comes across as quickly trying to wipe the slate clean or hide shit.

I'm all for removing the thousands of statues, streets, schools, team mascots, etc. I just don't want the stuff blown up and forgotten, we should know this shit happened. We should know that we erected these monuments and we should understand that we as a nation were basically 100% cool with doing it.

 

[djplaeskool]

Good.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Seriously, this it's so fucking good, and what's needed right now..fuck the cowards/terrorist/traitorous fucks..

 

[Alcotholic]

At least it all wasnt in vain. Fuck all white supremacists.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Take them to an empty field and do what our vets did in WWII

No, they shouldn't be destroyed or anything, but they're history and should be relegated to museums not displayed outside

 

[Slayven]

Maybe I wasn't clear cause I was in numerous threads. The issue I have with denazification is it let the vast majority of Germany off the hook, it basically erased that period of history like it never existed. It happened and Germany and the populace should continually have to deal with it. Sure you want to blow up a couple monuments to show it as a fuck you, okay. I just think the overwhelming majority of it should have went into museums to use as a historical lesson on what they did. I'm not talking about trying/hanging the perpetrators.

It comes across as quickly trying to wipe the slate clean or hide shit.

I'm all for removing the thousands of statues, streets, schools, team mascots, etc. I just don't want the stuff blown up and forgotten, we should know this shit happened. We should know that we erected these monuments and we should understand that we as a nation were basically 100% cool with doing it.

What will be forgotten?. They could jettsion all those statues into space and folks will still be "Heritage not hate" 450 years from now

It is a bullshit hand wringing at best, tacit support of racism at worse

 

[ReplacementPelican]

It always fucking blew my mind that the US has confederate flags and statues. They lost a war. People run around calling themselves patriots whilst brandishing the flags of people who hated America. I'll be glad when there's not a single scrap of the confederacy left. Shame on all the people who have enabled this bullshit. Just fuck off.

 

[DietRob]

No, they shouldn't be destroyed or anything, but they're history and should be relegated to museums not displayed outside

Yes they should be destroyed. You are wanting to preserve monuments of tratiors to our country. In a lot of cases those shitbags even fled the country. There is no reason they should have ever been honored with a statue.

 

[Sesuadra]

Maybe I wasn't clear cause I was in numerous threads. The issue I have with denazification is it let the vast majority of Germany off the hook, it basically erased that period of history like it never existed. It happened and Germany and the populace should continually have to deal with it. Sure you want to blow up a couple monuments to show it as a fuck you, okay. I just think the overwhelming majority of it should have went into museums to use as a historical lesson on what they did, collectively. I'm not talking about trying/hanging the perpetrators.

It comes across as quickly trying to wipe the slate clean or hide shit.

I'm all for removing the thousands of statues, streets, schools, team mascots, etc. I just don't want the stuff blown up and forgotten, we should know this shit happened. We should know that we erected these monuments and we should understand that we as a nation were basically 100% cool with doing it.

But that's not true at all o_o

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

It is a bullshit hand wringing at best, tacit support of racism at worse

Ugh, okay I'm not sure how you got to perspective but if that is the way you feel I guess I'll bounce cause that is in no way even close to my view on it.

 

[Kimaka]

Good. Other cities with confederate monuments need to follow suit.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Maybe I wasn't clear cause I was in numerous threads. The issue I have with denazification is it let the vast majority of Germany off the hook, it basically erased that period of history like it never existed. It happened and Germany and the populace should continually have to deal with it. Sure you want to blow up a couple monuments to show it as a fuck you, okay. I just think the overwhelming majority of it should have went into museums to use as a historical lesson on what they did, collectively. I'm not talking about trying/hanging the perpetrators.

It comes across as quickly trying to wipe the slate clean or hide shit.

I'm all for removing the thousands of statues, streets, schools, team mascots, etc. I just don't want the stuff blown up and forgotten, we should know this shit happened. We should know that we erected these monuments and we should understand that we as a nation were basically 100% cool with doing it.

German school children learn in great detail what happened during World War 2. The premise of this post is incorrect.

 

[Frozenprince]

I mean we have hundreds of the fucking things in Texas and Sam Houston himself told the Confederacy to go fuck themselves and with the most excellent quote imaginable to do it:

I beseech those whose piety will permit them reverently to petition, that they will pray for this union, and ask that He who buildeth up and pulleth down nations will, the mercy preserve and unite us. For a Nation divided against itself cannot stand. I wish, if this Union must be dissolved, that its ruins may be the monument of my grave, and the graves of my family. I wish no epitaph to be written to tell that I survive the ruin of this glorious Union

 

[geestack]

Maybe I wasn't clear cause I was in numerous threads. The issue I have with denazification is it let the vast majority of Germany off the hook, it basically erased that period of history like it never existed. It happened and Germany and the populace should continually have to deal with it. Sure you want to blow up a couple monuments to show it as a fuck you, okay. I just think the overwhelming majority of it should have went into museums to use as a historical lesson on what they did, collectively. I'm not talking about trying/hanging the perpetrators.

It comes across as quickly trying to wipe the slate clean or hide shit.

I'm all for removing the thousands of statues, streets, schools, team mascots, etc. I just don't want the stuff blown up and forgotten, we should know this shit happened. We should know that we erected these monuments and we should understand that we as a nation were basically 100% cool with doing it.

germany is actually the model we should be following for this shit

 

[antonz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bree_Newsome

Yep her bravery has put us on this path where we can finally remove this shit from the public square. Citizen action is important