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Kid Icarus Uprising |OT| On a Wing and a Prayer
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It -does- look like Meteos, doesn't it.
TDLink
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I seem to remember it turning out pretty well actually. The first couple released in the states (on GBA) sold pretty well and ensured we got the subsequent 3 releases. Interest largely only petered off later (after the console games...honestly I think that series is more suited to handheld anyways though so that may be part of it). All that being said, I hope FE: Awakening comes here, very excited about it. I think Kid Icarus is going to do very well.
TheUnknownForce
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Every Sakurai game has that menu system going for it, and I mean that in a good way.
Throwaway123456789
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Holy shit!
Really?!
REALLY?!
Where have you been the last four/five months??
Pre rendered video? I haven't seen evidence of that any place in the game.
on the multiplayer said:
If you've equipped lower tech gear your team gets many more extra"lives". You can have three extra guys for every highly equipped enemy if you're lucky.
A theoretical example? What does that even mean?
The end.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Melee and Air Ride have futuristic-looking menus, whereas Brawl, Meteos and Uprising are obviously designed for touchscreen usage (which is weird in Brawl considering that game does not have pointer controls).
It didn't turn out terribly, you're right. I was just bringing up that we didn't get this last one (which we needed, it's never been released here. I thought that was the point of the remakes tbqh), and they've been slow to announce the NA version of the coming one. They seem to think we hate it. I guess all that can be taken from it, is that there's always time for the sequels to bomb, even if this does well.
I also agree that this game will do well. I think it could become a big franchise for Nintendo... though I don't know how it would continue. Sakurai won't want to cycle this and Smash forever.
Huh, nope. I don't even know Heropon <3
Also, I really, REALLY want to see what will Sakurai do with Smash U and 3DS...
You could do the same back in Meteos. Apparently when Sakurai says that he wants to give the players as many options as possible to tune the experience to their liking, it even extends to how to get the game started at the outset.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Wait.... The Circle Pad Pro isn't regularly available at retail Gamestops?!?!?!?
*runs to call local Gamestop*
Edit: I'm back. This really fricken stinks. Now I don't know what to do... Being left handed sucks sometimes.
6 hour impressions
Damn, the controls have clicked now! This game is amazing guys give it a chance. There is definitely a learning curve to the ground controls which will frustrate you at first, but once you get them, you will fully understand why they are the way they are.
I just went back to the first level and ramped up the difficulty, and
. It was awesome. The boss of the level was also way harder.
I use a 3DS grip because I have big hands, and everything feels great now.
Damn, the controls have clicked now! This game is amazing guys give it a chance. There is definitely a learning curve to the ground controls which will frustrate you at first, but once you get them, you will fully understand why they are the way they are.
I just went back to the first level and ramped up the difficulty, and
tackled an entirely new tank sub-boss
I use a 3DS grip because I have big hands, and everything feels great now.
Try the thumb strap?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
In Sakurai we trust, I guess. The man seems to be the king of giving the player options and configurability, so after thinking about it a while I figured the reason he wouldn't have a dual analog mode is because the game really wouldn't play right with it.
I do think that positive word of mouth from people who played it will be required to get a lot of people on board though. Too many people have zero patience or inclination to try anything that deviates from the most common standard. In this case, it looks like a 3rd person shooter, ergo, it's unpossible that it doesn't control like a twin stick 3PS.
What's ironic about the controls is in Iwata Asks, Sakurai said he made Smash Bros. the way it is because traditional fighters like Street Fighter were too hard to control (shoryukens and such). Yet here we are, with a shooter where you have to force yourself through back-asswards controls for hours before they "click." An uncharacteristically odd design moment for Sakurai, but I'll trust it works out for the best in the end, even though I'm usually of the mindset that "If it takes half the game to get comfortable with the damn controls, it's not worth it."
French reviews are coming. First one from jeuxvideo.com : 17/20
SpacePirate Ridley
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Does someone now how to erase save files?
I just tested fast the game when I boughted, so i wanted to delete an create a new file again.
I cant find the option in the menu.
I just tested fast the game when I boughted, so i wanted to delete an create a new file again.
I cant find the option in the menu.
I dont think there's anything ironic about it. The controls are incredibly simple here, it's just the system that makes it uncomfortable. I wouldn't call them backwards, just a fault that should be leveled at the console.
SnakeSlashRO
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I gots mine urrrley!!!
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
You could try playing with the xyab to aim set up til you can get one.
You can probably do it by holding a button combo at boot, like with most first-party games. (ABXYLR, I believe.)
That doesn't make any sense. Sakurai should've taken into account the controller when, you know, designing the controls.
Yeah it is weird, try to imagine if Sin and Punishment offered free roaming section. It tries to be a shooter without being a 3rd-person shooter.
It's uncanny how well it actually works.
I wonder if the word of mouth will be bad or good based on this. I sometimes can't tell if just GAF hive-mind telling ourselves 'the controls aren't perfect!' or opposite in that our gamer minds telling us 'this works on another level!'. I am quite curious to see how casuals take this. It clicks in about an hour, and in small spurts your hand really will not cramp.
If you think of the game like a shooter and not a 3rd person action-adventure, you really start to understand the mechanics.
....I've talked way too much about the controls. The game is excellent guys. Truly.
So any control scheme that doesn't immediately click is backwards? I totally disagree. What you seem to overlook is many gamers are conditioned to the twin stick set-up. Many are going to take hours to again condition themselves to a wholly new control scheme. They have to develop new muscle memory. It's common sense really.
TheNatural
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That's my main problem with Nintendo and a lot of companies nowadays. I remember when Super Mario 64 was created, he said he thought of the game concept first and made the controller to fit to that vision of going around in free space and popularized the joystick.
Seems like ever sense then, Nintendo is just the process of shooting themselves in the foot. "Heres what our hardware team came up with, we're going to shoehorn these games on this damn control method if it kills us."
It's pretty crazy they've even went so far as to include a stand to alleviate the uncomfortable nature of the game when this is a problem that should have been tackled long, long ago with the hardware, and then with the software development.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Was just that, thanks!
When Sakurai addressed the complexity of fighting game controls, he wasn't talking about comfort or that sort of thing. He was addressing the complexity and intimidating nature of the controls. By comparison, Smash is a lot less confusing. He wasn't talking about comfort and that's what I was trying to clarify. Sure the system itself is an inhibitor, but the controls are simple, which was what I was getting at.
How?! Did you bribe Amazon another $1 for pre-release day shipping?
I gots mine urrrley!!!
I'm not saying the control schemes are comparable, just the fact that in both cases the player is required to learn a new control scheme, and until enough time has been invested learning the controls the gameplay will suffer.
Now it may entirely be the case that THESE controls are just so godawful there will never be that moment when I "get it" and I'll understand what everyone's talkin about.
I've read a few impressions already in which people are saying they've got a handle on the controls, so I think it may just be an individual thing - some people will get it to work well, others won't.
I plan on playing til I get it, and smoking' y'all online. =)
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Except there's nothing exotic or weird about the control method here... it's one that has been used several times for the last 8 years on the DS, starting with Prime Hunters, more or less.
It seems Sakurai was taking a given "first person shooter" and tweaking it a bit further.
Based on what I'm seeing the key thing is not the game being crippled by poorly though out hardware, but being unusual due to the design idea. It's a fusion of a on ground 3rd person action game, and a shooter that requires super fast and precise mouselike cursor movement.
Unless I'm missing something, there IS no hardware that would make that work any better than what we have here.
If this were on the Wii, you'd have the same design challenges of simultaneously allowing the player to aim the cursor freely around the screen but also detect a command to swerve your entire viewpoint around to a new general direction.
If it were on PC, with an actual mouse, you'd still need some extra finger combination on the keyboard to swing your general view around 90 degrees at a time.
On a twin stick game pad, the shooting action would have to be nerfed and possibly shored up with auto-aim help to maintain the speed of the game, and masses of enemies.
The goofy stand seems more like a concession to the worry that at this point people are even more locked in their ways and need to be reassured that they can play the game with its "bizarre" (not really) interface.
Kid Icarus starts being fun the very minute you start playing it. We are not talking about iDevices controls issues here, the game is extremely precise in most situations. You may have to handle camera movements in a new, non intuitive way at times, but if you're a serious gamer you will pass the challenge. Oh and the stand is actually a nice thing. It is not necessary to enjoy Kid Icarus, but it somehow feels classy to use it. It's weird but it works, and it adds one more special thing to the experience
StreetsAhead
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I must stop checking my e-mail to see if my pre-order has arrived at Lawson yet but damnit I can't stop checking this thread and it's not making the wait any easier.
I just got finished with some satisfying online matches. The dashing is a central mechanic to playing.
Well the way he walks in Brawl was actually based on the sprite animation from the NES game.
I gots mine urrrley!!!
I'm jealous. Hopefully Amazon ships mine soon...
You might have it wrong here; I think they still mostly operate the old way. They usually design a controller around the games they want to make. That of course leads to problems when they don't take into account what other devs want, which leads to Nintendo being left behind because their controllers aren't standardized with the rest of the industry.
Yeah.....screw clicking analogs. That's all I have to say about that.
KIU feels like Sakurai approached it having no influence from 3rd person shooters whatsoever. It's not the fact that you can't play with two analogs, its the fact that it's an entirely new approach to the genre/perspective and a mechanic that would not work with dual analog. Throwing in CCpro support with dual analog would make it harder to control.
One could expect no less from Sakurai. It's a stylus action/shooter to the Nth degree. The problem is that most people just won't accept a stylus setup for shooters as opposed to a dual-analog setup.
RyougaSaotome
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I've only played about 2 hours, but I've been having a blast and thought I'd chime in on the controls a little bit.
They're weird and they're definitely not perfect. It takes time to get used to. When you do, it clicks and you don't have many problems after that, but that's not going to be the case for everybody.
For some people, the controls might never click at all, effectively ruining the game for them. That didn't happen for me, but it's certainly a possibility for others.
On the whole though, I've been having a fucking blast. The visuals really pop in 3D, the banter (in Japanese at least), is funny and quirky and the music is beautiful.
This game finally gave me a reason to take out my 3DS and get excited again (Mario and Monster Hunter aren't my thing at all).
They're weird and they're definitely not perfect. It takes time to get used to. When you do, it clicks and you don't have many problems after that, but that's not going to be the case for everybody.
For some people, the controls might never click at all, effectively ruining the game for them. That didn't happen for me, but it's certainly a possibility for others.
On the whole though, I've been having a fucking blast. The visuals really pop in 3D, the banter (in Japanese at least), is funny and quirky and the music is beautiful.
This game finally gave me a reason to take out my 3DS and get excited again (Mario and Monster Hunter aren't my thing at all).
RyougaSaotome
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XD. My finger brushed the enter key. I fixed it.
Did not know.
Hype is doubled.
Also, the Boss weapons sound awesome. I'm maining the Magnus club.