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Black-Wind
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WTH is with this defense?
Does no one here know anything about cinematography/ framing/ posing or are people acting as if the only way you can show molestation and sexual abuse is through the hentai route? It's fan service ... like everything else in the show. The mere fact that people here are trying to deny/ deflect this as a means of defending the anime is laughable.
Care to respond to Veelk's rather excellently put argument?
To paraphrase; Yes, you're supposed to get a chubby. Yes, it's supposed to feel wrong.
Mine was unapologetic.
RockTurtle
Member
oh no for sure all the nekidness is fanservice. but fanservice in this case is used to stimulate the loins AND establish the plot.
There seems to be a hard contrast with the sparkles and nosebleeds from other parts of the show. I think you would need to make an argument of internal consistency to demonstrate this.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Why don't you enlighten us on cinematography, framing, and posing then instead of snorting derisively.
If you don't have an actual counterargument, don't quote me
Now in fairness, Disney has had abusive and murderous villains, and Maleficent saying Hell cemented her as the most heinous of all Disney villains for all time.
And when people ask that they actually think about the matter they fall back on "OMG Y R U DEFENDING DIS?" as if it was all self-evident.
heliosRAzi
Banned
The anime is not using that scene to titillate people. It's using that scene to make us uncomfortable (which has been near universal) and to show that Ragyo is a Bad Mom.
Just because an anime or tv show or whatever has some nudity doesn't mean it is always fan service. This is one of those times. When the Major took on the tank in Ghost in the Shell and her limbs are ripped from her body while being topless, was that fan service? When Shinji jacked off to a comatose Asuka, was that fan service?
If you think the Ragyo and Satsuki scenes are blatant fan service I think that says more about you than the anime itself. It's supposed to be creepy as fuck not erotic. A mother who has abandoned humanity is feeling up and torturing her daughter. How could you be aroused by that? Gives me goosebumps thinking about it.
The pronunciation is just cruel. >_<
...goddamnit
any site that let's you stream the audio from anime intro/outros?
Guess I'll have to hunt.
Nikodemos
Member
Try Milky's version. It combines proper German pronounciation with the OST chorus. Pretty great cover.
Most OSTs these days, rather. In the past it was entirely standard to have full OP/EDs in the album.
Yeah but a lot of them are cut up and have incorrectly labeled quality.
I've tracked down all of soul eater's intros and outros and kill la kill's as well. God why is sorario days so hard to find...
**got em all**
Yeah, I immediately switched to Milky.
Now I want to a version with hard rolling Hitler-Rs.
Nikodemos
Member
Operatic German with trilled Rs? That would be pretty interesting to hear.Yeah, I immediately switched to Milky.
Now I want to a version with hard rolling Hitler-Rs.
Not only does Nonon have the best legs she also has the best theme.
alt: http://i.minus.com/ihhyQWwASdz27.gif
alt2: http://i.minus.com/ibbUMkbZg96QUl.gif
"If I were twenty years younger, I'd wear you!" Hint, hint, Mako gonna wear Senketsu. Hint.
Definitely one of my favorites on the OST.
Lufiaddict
Member
Tick tick tick BOOM! Time skip.
Nikodemos
Member
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Sir Blaming
Member
ah the killer of queens
mako's family = chu-chu
Black-Wind
Member
Nooo, cause it has nothing to do with what I'm talking bout (which is why I didn't quote that).
What I'm saying is ... girl simply being dragged away by a ropey sea-monster? Not Fan-service. Girl being dragged away by a sea-monster AND tied up by it to be presented in revealing and compromising poses as the cam slowly pans in just the right areas? Fan-service, it's deliberately trying to present this in an erotic fashion through the cam work and posing.
And I don't think I or most others "get a chubby" from looking at this as erotic fan-service nor do I think people "feel bad" about it. I think people would feel about as bad about seeing this as erotic fan-service as they would feel about sea-monsters groping up a MC and groping her TnA for a few moments. Mostly I just find it strange that they decided to go this route with erotic fan-service for a molestation family relationship.
Wellll I actually did this very thing when I tried to shut down this strange convo a week ago. But for your pleasure I will grab examples.
Roger from American Dad. There's no question that he's a messed up dude and a sexual offender and in no way a "good person" most all the time. But they show his sexual assaults with humor. (those are just 2 examples, the show has tons of them)
An example of straight up disturbing depictions of sexual assault with no humor or erotic showings? Now and Then, Here and there (Cause fuck it, for the most part it's a interesting dark anime but I'm sure most here will never watch it if they haven't already)
Compare those to THIS scene ... with the smooth music, the slow pans, the framing of the body, the scenery, her pose being so open and blissful for someone who is apparently being molested by her own mother? Yeah, you shouldn't have to have a 4 year degree to see that that's purposely erotic. Show that to someone who doesn't know the show and it simply looks like a sensual lesbian hentai scene. They could show that Ragyo is "a bad mom" via sexual assault with humor (Roger) or with straight up raw depictions of what one would expect to see in a event like that (Now and then) but they went for erotic fan-service. It's jarringly different from what we expect to see ... hell, I would expect to see it played as humorist fan-service before that.
This has nothing to do with nudity. I would call the first on-screen groping fan-service to and that had no nudity. And I have no clue what those references are sooo yeah ...
And on a side note I think I see WHAT they're trying to do. They want Ragyo to show her power and control over her via molestation (bending her to her well with the invasion of personal space). That's why the first encounter we see is with clothes on and satsuki barely moving and the 2nd with them both nude and satsuki appearing to submit to her. But then, the first time we see finger grace vag, it's in a fight and satsuki gets her "Purity" taken away. Now she's chained up, nude and likely been Ragyo's play thing for a month. She can't be controlled by Ragyo anymore or at least doesn't want to keep up that appearance anymore and that's why she's completely unresponsive to being fingered and spanked by her own mother this ep.
That's how I saw it anyways ... still fucking strange that they went for straight erotic fan-service here.
Black-Wind
Member
Never said the show did anything well, just that that's a strong contrast because it neither tries to make rape erotic or funny ... it tries to make it look like a disturbing and scary event much like Btoom and many other animes I could cite. If they simply wanted to show a "uncomfortable" and disturbing event then they wouldn't make it erotic. Hell, I could think of tons of ways to frame the scene that doesn't involve slow pans of satsuki's body or any erotic tones yet would still invoke a sense of "This woman is FUCKED in the head!".
I was thinking the point was to contrast it - or perhaps to perhaps emphasise it against - KLK's traditionally very pervy camera in battle scenes, etc. In the cheesecakey kind of show KLK is, the way Ragyo treats Satsuki is not terribly out of place, yet it still remains really quite disturbing. Interesting...
Don't worry, the best group will be reunited again soon
dammit Trigger why'd you have to make her such a fun character, I know she's never coming back ;_;
Black-Wind: Your remarks betray a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue. Not all rape and sexual assault is overtly violent. The comparison with the rape in NTHT doesn't apply because that was an acute event. The soldier had nothing to do with the girl and simply took her by force. What I said earlier was more appropriate. Satsuki is an oppressive environment. Her mother is in a twisted relationship with her and Satsuki doesn't want to deal with it, but what she wants does not factor into the picture. To physically struggle and fight back at that particular scene as you seem to want would go against her own larger goals for both victory and revenge. You make a false observation in that Satsuki was "blissful", where it was plainly apparent that she was merely bearing it. Your comparison with a sea monster also does not apply because such a case is a show going out of its way to make an event sexual, because the center of gravity of what goes on is skewed so that everything is tilted in that direction. That a mother casually abusing her daughter that she doesn't even consider family happened to take place on camera doesn't match this scenario. It's like how we see Anton Chigurh conduct a strangling kill entirely on camera in No Country For Old Men, yet we aren't supposed to take pleasure or enjoyment in the act.
Oh, and it's not your place to "shut down" discussion.
Oh, and it's not your place to "shut down" discussion.
Moral Panic
Member
i have no idea how you managed to make this ridiculous leap, and what it could possibly have to do with the current topic.
DeadRockstar
Member
Your "this is self-evidently offensive" statement.
You're talking about the inappropriateness of fan-service in those sexual molestation scenes.
His post was addressing why it wasn't fan service in the traditional sense AND why it has story telling merit to present those scenes in such a manner.
Seems like it was very much on point.
Moral Panic
Member
I still can't see what that has to do with book burnings.
In any case, I don't know why "this is self-evidently offensive" is in quotes when I never said that, or anything like that. My point was that this is a show which is absolutely full of fan service, yet people made excuses and explanations like comparisons to "Don Quixote". We have a previous fan service scene with the two in the bath. People don't seem to just accept that it is a fan service show, they seem to feel compelled to have to conjure up some deeper meanings out of the ether. Now we have another scene involving the two same characters, which is in the same light as the rest of the series. The same voyeuristic camera is here:
For me this in the light of everything else in the show says that it is fanservice in a show full of fan service.
You couldn't be more wrong, if something it seems more apparent that people is ready to defend anything because it's an Imaishi product an Imaishi stuff can be no wrong.
The key words here are context and target audience, what is the context of this anime? Very poorly dressed girls that kill eachother in the most insane ways where camera is often pointed at key parts of the human body. You want to put the story context of the mother/daughter relationship? no problem
What is the target audience? The target audience is people who likes anime (duh), people who like hot blooded action and people who probably likes to jack off to semi nude drawn girls. Now chances are that the last category doesn't care even in the minimal part on how wrong a situation is as long as he can jack it off to it and since these scenes are put there only for them i think it's safe to assume that those parts are there primarily for erotic purposes.
If they really wanted to show their relationship as primarily goal they would've been way less clear in the graphics. The whole Ragyo being bad is merely the pretext of her putting two fingers there into Satsuki,in this case it's the scene that drives the reasoning not viceversa.
Now this would be bad in an anime like it would be in a movie or in a book and there are tons of examples in those other media that shows these things just as much as there are in anime. The problem here sincerely isn't even that scenes like these happens because there's a sea of this trash and this would be no more than a teardrop, the problem in my humble opinion is that some of us didn't expect that this particular show would reach these kind of things.
That's like saying a comedy can never have serious moments or aspects because it's a comedy, and because this is a conclusion taken a priori your agitation at it being argued shows you consider it self-evident.
Lufiaddict
Member
What if... what if Mako gets a Nudist uniform inspired by her two-star goku uniform???
With black cap, spiked cuffs, bronze knuckles, geta and maybe a coat (if that's allowed)???
And a green reed in her mouth???
And a shitload of weapons???
I am a fan and I demand to be served!
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