KILLZONE 2 - input lag now? if you want a reskinned COD4, go play WaW
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MvmntInGrn
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Returners said:
That makes sense too. :lol
Very diverse nowadays. The age of "Oh I like FPS games." is over. Now its "Oh I like FPS games that have [insert focus] and [insert play style]."
MvmntInGrn said:
Well, the way I see it is that open world FPS are considered the future of the genre, if only because PC developers are picking up on it wholesale. In my opinion, the shift towards these type of titles represents the biggest change in PC FPS development since the deathmatch FPS glory days. The action FPS model is starting to become pretty dated and refined. KZ2 is the perfect example of this. It takes CoD4's design and hones it to perfection. Better AI, no respawns, more level variety and set pieces, and vehicle sections. The only real direction that I personally think the action FPS can move is toward a more tactical approach, in my opinion.
Lord Error
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Really? I don't think I've agreed with that guy pretty much ever on any game opinion, so if anything this comes as a nice re-affirmation that I won't be disappointed :-DKestastrophe said:
Your mileage may vary, of course.
needlesmcgirk
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There really is way too much arguing and crying and moaning over the reviews about this game. The game isn't even out yet and it seems like people are really taking this stuff way too seriously.
I'm more interested in seeing what everyone thinks of the demo after tomorrow.
I'm more interested in seeing what everyone thinks of the demo after tomorrow.
MvmntInGrn
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EschatonDX said:
But being more tactical makes a different experience. There will always be gamers devoted to flat-out shooting fest games and just won't move toward tactical gameplay.
Even if a style is maxed out (and IMO that really isn't possible) there will still be games released in that style.
I also think open-world is where FPS are now pushing, but that (to me) is just another branch. It won't necessarily overtake another type of shooter.
EDIT: OMG having a conversation on gaf without cursing, what a unique experience. :lol
plagiarize
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i think it's ridiculous that people are complaining about every nit pick this game receives in a review that scores it 9+ out of 10.needlesmcgirk said:
i think it's ridiculous that people are laughing at how 'low' the review scores are.
most people in this thread though seem happy with the reviews it's getting, as am I. as i keep saying, i don't care if it 'saves' the PS3 or not. i'm just excited that a game with graphics this good also plays good even if it isn't especially ground breaking.
i'm glad for Guerrilla that the PS3 didn't hold back KillZone 2 as the PS2 held back KillZone... and that they finally step out of the shadow of that first 'failure'.
Fenderputty
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Torgo said:
The aim assist in R2 is sooooooo large, the crosshair will actually move from one person to another if someone runs in front of who you're shooting at.
Kinda frustrating sometimes.
MvmntInGrn said:
By tactical I don't mean tactical in the R6V sense. I mean deeper in core mechanics and level design. Slower, more thought out. Consoles don't suit themselves to "shooting-fest" games due to the limitations of gamepads. And as you can see, these action FPS enjoy massive popularity on consoles.
A style can be maxed out. You've seen it yourself. What happened to the Deathmatch FPS after Quake III Arena and UT2k4? Nothing but steps back in terms of quality. That's because that style of twitch gameplay has pretty much exhausted itself creatively.
Fenderputty
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sykoex said:
At least he said "I". It's better then a blanket statement like, "The controls suck". From the impressions that I've read it seems like the controls different depending on the person. Some people got it right away. Some people didn't and it took them some time and apparently someone didn't get them at all.
Either way ... good score and he loves the rest of the game.
Torgo said:
If there is, I haven't really picked up on it. As I said in the review, though, it's not so much that I want stickiness on targets, but some acceleration would be awesome. The dead zones also feel a little weird to me. I didn't much like bringing in the COD4 comparison, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the FPS to beat in terms of controls and online, and while the latter is (mostly) satisfied, the former just doesn't lend itself to fine aiming -- or at least not in a way that's easy to pick up. I'm not kidding when I say I would spend a couple hours with one sensitivity setting, the drop or raise it for a couple more hours and couldn't find anything that really worked. Eventually I settled on two stops from the lowest setting to help me get as much precision vs. look speed as possible, but even with iron sights and stuff, it just never "clicked." And that's after like... 20 hours, I think? More than 15, that's for sure.
desertdroog
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I thought that onlly related to the PSP, which I don't have.Beardz said:
Cruzader said:
If it's the real Tom Chick, you can trust that he is sharing his honest opinion. Whether you agree with it or not is up to you. He dislikes plenty of games I love, and vice versa but he is a fully legit commentator. Probably one of the best.
needlesmcgirk
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I don't really understand what he's talking about with the aiming system. How is it different than any other fps as far as this goes. Don't you just move the reticle with right stick where you want it and fire? Can someone that's played this explain this a bit?
I didn't know that there was any kind of aim assist in FPS games that don't do auto lock-on. Sorry if this is a stupid question but can someone please explain?
I didn't know that there was any kind of aim assist in FPS games that don't do auto lock-on. Sorry if this is a stupid question but can someone please explain?
There's no way I'm skipping out on the demo. As a lot have said. Practice for the MP! Gotta' get use to the controls 
It's going to be balls-out crazy when the UK demo hits. I know I have the GS code, but still...
Who's staying up!? I have a project to and that'll be an all-nighter.
It's going to be balls-out crazy when the UK demo hits. I know I have the GS code, but still...
Who's staying up!? I have a project to and that'll be an all-nighter.
careksims said:There's no way I'm skipping out on the demo. As a lot have said. Practice for the MP! Gotta' get use to the controls
It's going to be balls-out crazy when the UK demo hits. I know I have the GS code, but still...
Who's staying up!? I have a project to and that'll be an all-nighter.
Working on the theme so, ofcourse it'll be an all-nighter
Lord Error
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So when is the EU demo coming out?
This is coming as a bit of a surprise given the post linked in your tag. I remember when I was playing original Killzone for that one hour, I would lower sensitivity all the way down, so that I can aim precisely. Now looking back at it, and reading your post, it's entirely possible that you screwed the experience for yourself by tinkering with that setting so much. You maybe never had time to get used to what the game was supposed to be played like.SamBishop said:
Beardz
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Fenderputty said:
I think the 'problem' -problem for some people- is the weight of your character/weapons. At first when I was playing the beta, everything seemed slow, It was very different because your point of view moves faster than your weapon; the momentum its so diferent too.
After few rounds I realized the beauty of this, everything made sense; the game is more tactical this way.
MvmntInGrn
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EschatonDX said:
OK I was thinking something else here. I see what you mean.
EschatonDX said:
Took me a minute to ponder this. In a way I agree but I find it hard to accept that any form of gameplay can be maxed out. Then again if you keep adding things you create a new type of gameplay anyway.
Maybe maxed out isn't the right term, if you take a twitch shooter and add more and more gameplay elements and depth you make a different type of game. (Action shooter)
I am thinking about branches when maybe it is just a straight path (I think this is what you are saying) Keep adding more (ex. Action shooter plus more space, more interactivity, and more free-thinking AI) and now you have the open-world shooter.
Fenderputty
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Lord Error said:
He gave it a 9/10 and said that if he could get used to the controls it would be the best FPS ever. That's pretty damn good.
AmericanNinja
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oh Sam "BEYOND" Bishop what have you done?
needlesmcgirk
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Fenderputty said:
I think he said "if they fix it" not if he gets used to it. Seems like a pretty big complaint with the game. What's more important to a video game than how it controls?
Kittonwy said:Aim assist as in COD-style LOCK-ON? Why would anyone want that crap? It takes no skill. I thought there already was a mild form of aim assist with the red x when shooting from the hip.
Yeah i don't consider it a bad thing. It sucks when im about to head shot an enemy and then another one comes running by and my reticule moves to fallow him....
desertdroog
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sykoex said:
Yeah, at least to trigger the dl functionality for demos that drop while those of us are in the office.
Kittonwy said:Aim assist as in COD-style LOCK-ON? Why would anyone want that crap? It takes no skill. I thought there already was a mild form of aim assist with the red x when shooting from the hip.
This!
Also I hate aim assist so much on FPS games. Seriously whats the point? Last game It had this was Far Cry 2. I immediatly took it off for SP but whenever I went to MP, I had to turn it on or else I would of been in a disadvantage. There should be minimal to no aim assist. This is why I love top play Socom. The gameplay in that game is so great.
SamBishop said:
I seriously don't get it. Why do people consistently praise COD4 MP? It's unbalanced as hell and incredibly noob friendly.
MvmntInGrn said:
I think you can add gimmicks(see: haze). You can change certain aspects of pacing, and you can add interesting gameplay mechanics that set the game apart from the rest of the games in the genre. That's a less relevant form of game design evolution, but it's still relevant. The truth is that it's a combination of branching and straight path.. Eventually most devs will realize that they literally cannot evolve a game style without putting out a mediocre or gimmicky product(as Epic learned with UT3, or as I hope Valve have learned with Episode 1 and 2)..
needlesmcgirk said:
Not sure why they would need to fix it, it works fine for most of us who were in the MP beta. I get deadlier, more accurate shooting with a standard assault rifle over longer distances than most games, there is absolutely no resorting to "spray-and-pray" in the beta for me, it felt great, for those who are accustomed to the lock-on in COD4, it's time to learn to aim.
plagiarize
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yeah, let's second guess the whole review based on one complaint. a complaint not raised by any other review so far. an issue that the reviewer gave the game a good score in spite of.needlesmcgirk said:
but hey, i play a lot of survival horror games so i know that there's a lot more important things in a game than how they control. that whole genre would be dead if controls were the most important thing.
UntoldDreams
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EschatonDX said:
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Its praised exactly *because* its unbalanced as hell and incredibly noob friendly.
TrAcEr_x90
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Fenderputty said:
I have never had that problem in r2. I hardly notice the aim assist.
liquidspeed
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Me too. For the first hour I thought they were awkward, but after that It felt great fresh, and new. I liked the fact that everything has a feel of weight. I love that there is actual momentum and inertia in the game. I actually think it may be my favorite FPS in terms of controls, no joke. ( I played the beta with the default controls and sensitivity btw)Loudninja said:
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