AgentOtaku
Member
Yup and being able to roll with it as a Medic pretty much made it one of the best combos in any competitive MP shooter, ever.
So yeah, pretty bummed that GG would kill that configuration in future games T___T
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Killzone: Shadow Fall |OT| Nothing Stops This Rain
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Yup and being able to roll with it as a Medic pretty much made it one of the best combos in any competitive MP shooter, ever.
So yeah, pretty bummed that GG would kill that configuration in future games T___T
NullPointer
Member
Yep. Its a familiar feeling: nobody playing for the objectives, nobody reviving, and plenty of players running headlong into base turrets.
I figure it'll stay this way until the new wave of players figures out how best to spawn camp the other team.
Apeopleman
Member
Pessimistic but realistic.
The people who are stubborn amd refuse to learn the mechanics will just get frustrated, quit and go back to COD
fuzzyreactor
Banned
M82 hate is unheard of. Best gun in a game ever.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
Member
This man speaks the truth. It isn't GOTY material but its bloody good fun. I think its probably the best retail next generation launch exclusive (FM5 is probably better but I haven't played it and recing sims aren't my cup of tea) and also the best next generation FPS. I'll definitely replay it on hard in a few months.
Just to clarify here, I'm talking about the SP campaign, I don't play games online at all really. Maybe it's tweaked for MP
Travis Touchdown
Member
Can someone clear this up for me?
In the first chapter,
In the first chapter,
why are Lucas and his father running to the other side of vekta? Weren't the Helghats going to move them there anyway?
hellmonkey
Member
At the end of kz3, th VSA explodinated Helgan and wiped out most of the population. Vekta said the survivors could come live here and they would get half the planet. Well, the Helgans were still pretty pissesd, so they were killing Vektans on their half of the planet that didn't get out right away.
Travis Touchdown
Member
Why didn't they get out right away?
LastGamer84
Member
The impression I got was that they didn't really believe the Vektan government would actually go through with it. I'm assuming Lucas' dad thought that no one would go along with the plan and they'd be able to keep their home.
By the time he realized that wasn't the case, it was too late to leave safely.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Finished the SP portion of the game last night, and I won't play MP much so I wanted to chime in with my thoughts on the game. I think the best word I can use to describe KZ:SF is "uneven".
+ Graphics are great, very nice, like a high-end PC game.
+ Controls well
+ Good gunplay for the most part
+ A few good levels
And now for the bad:
- Forgettable music
- Lame, nonsensical story (but really, most FPS suffer from this)
- Zero-G levels annoying and not much fun
- OWL disabled in some sections just so you won't break the script. Lazy.
- Freefall and Wingsuit sections are total shit. I was so annoyed with this because not only are they trial-and-error the first time and not fun, but it's one of these situations where I feel like the dev is trying to give me something I didn't sign-up for when I bought their FPS game. I would slap the guy who decided to put these in the game as-is across the face.
- Toward the end, one crap section of the game relies on monster closets where the enemies spawn forever until you complete a certain task. The Helghast will literally appear out of thin air right in front of the player. Lame.
- Ending stinks in general but last level is essentially a stealth level which is unwelcome.
+ Graphics are great, very nice, like a high-end PC game.
+ Controls well
+ Good gunplay for the most part
+ A few good levels
And now for the bad:
- Forgettable music
- Lame, nonsensical story (but really, most FPS suffer from this)
- Zero-G levels annoying and not much fun
- OWL disabled in some sections just so you won't break the script. Lazy.
- Freefall and Wingsuit sections are total shit. I was so annoyed with this because not only are they trial-and-error the first time and not fun, but it's one of these situations where I feel like the dev is trying to give me something I didn't sign-up for when I bought their FPS game. I would slap the guy who decided to put these in the game as-is across the face.
- Toward the end, one crap section of the game relies on monster closets where the enemies spawn forever until you complete a certain task. The Helghast will literally appear out of thin air right in front of the player. Lame.
- Ending stinks in general but last level is essentially a stealth level which is unwelcome.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
I'm on the fence. Buy it?
I'd advise against it personally.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Not sure what the monster closet section is. I haven't noticed anything of sort. But I was really annoyed with end part of level 7 which was kind of this way, as you're expected to get into the turret, but is now patched to be easier at least. Music was awesome, but it was more 'proper electronic music' and less 'game music'. What they did was very much like Amon Tobin's Chaos Theory album and less typical soundtrack.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Damn. That bad?
I think he's referring to the part when you are watching
Echo's
fighting Tyran
I for one, enjoyed the soundtrack immensely, and pretty much liked the game's campaign, from a gameplay stand point, then again I enjoyed KZ2 and 3 and LOVED KZ:M.
So a few weeks ago I got Killzone 2 for the first time, borrowing a PS3 after only having an xbox since 2004 so wanted to try out some exclusives. Got about an hour in, but got a PS4 and Shadowfall yesterday..
Is it still worth me playing 2 and getting 3 before playing the campaign on SF? I really can't be bothered..
Is it still worth me playing 2 and getting 3 before playing the campaign on SF? I really can't be bothered..
LowEndTorque
Member
I've had this game for a few days now. I ignored the sp campaign and jumped straight into the multi. Still experimenting with the classes, guns and learning the maps so I'm sucking pretty hard right now, but I'm having a lot of fun.
After a few nights with it I really don't understand the lousy reviews it got. The multiplayer is excellent and IMO much better than most of the other popular FPS offerings. The shooting, controls and gunplay feels great, hit detection is crisp and maps are pretty good. My opinion may change later but it seems to be very well balanced.
Maybe playing the SP (don't know if I will ever bother) will bring down the game a few notches, but the MP makes the game a solid 8/10 imo.
After a few nights with it I really don't understand the lousy reviews it got. The multiplayer is excellent and IMO much better than most of the other popular FPS offerings. The shooting, controls and gunplay feels great, hit detection is crisp and maps are pretty good. My opinion may change later but it seems to be very well balanced.
Maybe playing the SP (don't know if I will ever bother) will bring down the game a few notches, but the MP makes the game a solid 8/10 imo.
perineumlick
Member
No, not that bad. It's the best of the next gen shooters right now, for what that's worth. BF4, when working correctly, has the best mp, and KZ:SF is a close second.
NullPointer
Member
I'd still put Killzone ahead of BF4 but then I dislike BF4's emphasis on vehicles and its over reliance upon teamwork while being weighed down by an obtuse squad system. For objective based infantry combat KZ is the real deal.
The single player is also good, but its not KZ2. Its smaller in scale, and quieter and pushes stealth more as an option. People who expect full-tilt combat at all times will be (and have been) disappointed.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
If you enjoy console FPS's and want a game to really show off what the PS4 can do then I would still say buy it, but buy retail so you can sell/trade it in.
Yes, this is the BS section I was referring to. There are two monster closets and if you play too well and kill the Helghast as they come out of the door so your OWL will have time to work, new enemies will simply materialize in their place. It's just lazy design. There should be a small hallway with a bend around it so the new enemies spawn in out of sight and then run around the corner. If you don't want the player to blow them up immediately, then put a energy screen on the door or something. That section is annoying enough as it is, I don't need to be enraged by the game appearing to "cheat" because I kill the enemies too quickly.
EDIT - And another thing. Does this game have the most useless RPG in FPS history? First of all, it can only be fired by using the scope, and raising it to your eye takes forever. Reloading it is slow as hell too, and even when you hit the enemy with it, it doesn't seem to pack much of a punch. I came to the conclusion that it was pretty much worthless.
LowEndTorque
Member
That seems to be what happened.
What I don't understand is why reviewers only ever do this for Killzone. Games like Battlefield and COD have utter trash, throwaway sp campaigns but the reviews don't base their reviews entirely on the sp because they are known as multiplayer games. Can you imagine what BF3's score would be if reviewers only focused on the sp? Why only review Killzone in this manner and not other shooters?
Robot Pants
Member
CuZ games journalism is a joke
Northern Lights
Banned
Shadowfall didn't deliver graphics and art top quality both but the whole campaign isn't good compared to the others. Kellan in first person was a bad idea and having just him the whole time with a disengaged character to buy into... was difficult to buy into his character. His character needing development but didn't get any. Voice acting was ok but there was a squad with you the entire previous games. Has to be top notch going solo and those hide n seek missions with Echo got tiring after the first time. They said more insight about Helghast but getting captured and escaping isn't best way of doing that IMO. Music was terrible had some good portions but it was different.. Ok but has to be good whole campaign. Guns needed to be more distinct some of them are similar to each other. They took out vehicles.. Why? Big moments in previous games had vehicles involved. Game difficulty was too easy especially with OWL doing the dirty work. I hope the sequel is kz2 quality.
NullPointer
Member
Some shooters are known more for their single player than their multiplayer. Killzone is one of those so reviews will lean more on that side of things. Its the opposite for Battlefield and the more recent CODs.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
I finished the SP and I liked it overall. The graphics are amazing, sound is good, and there are some good levels. There are also some terrible, dull or irritating levels. The wing suit and zero g parts are trash. The story is whatever. I do think that Echo is an interesting character and the game should have been built around her since they wanted to go this lone soldier route anyway.
I'm still playing MP and I think it's pretty good, though I prefer BF4.
I'm still playing MP and I think it's pretty good, though I prefer BF4.
BadAss2961
Member
While this is true to an extent, it shows how unprofessional and inaccurate reviewers are.
Even here, I see plenty of people judge the campaign and walk away from Killzone telling everyone it sucks without even getting into the multiplayer. Shouldn't expect that from reviews.
LowEndTorque
Member
It is true that there are some shooters where the MP is just tacked on as an afterthought and the core and focus of the game is the SP campaign. But KZ is definitely not one of those, even if a lot of people (incorrectly) see it that way.
Not saying that your post is wrong (in fact you're probably dead-on, most people probably do incorrectly see KZ as a sp-based shooter). Just saying that those who categorize it as such are wrong.
To me (and I'm guessing to most fans of the series as well) the meat of the game has always been the MP.
Killzone 2 MP was a beautiful thing, and the teamplay mechanics in Shadow Fall certainly brings some of that back.
Here's a rather relaxed video that shows it off quite well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GBzfYFHUUw
And for more competitive team matches this channel has a lot of action:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2ObJAMHZAbsLEBbcDGi9Tg
Here's a rather relaxed video that shows it off quite well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GBzfYFHUUw
And for more competitive team matches this channel has a lot of action:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2ObJAMHZAbsLEBbcDGi9Tg
Always-honest
Banned
I'd advice otherwise. But i liked the game and most of the levels people seem to have problems with.
It's not perfect though.
The game gets an unfair beating compared to the other shooters. It has become mass hysteria but slowly you see more people thinking for themselves and actually liking most parts of the game.
Unfortunately even the light stealth elements with Kellan have annoyed some people already. Echo's focus on stealth assassination is probably not the right note for Killzone FPS expectations. I would've liked a few more levels like the very final stealth run, but it would've wrecked the pacing for others.
NullPointer
Member
I'm going to disagree with the word "most" there but I have no way to know one way or another*. Just seems like most multiplayer-only players usually think thats the case.
But I'm with you in thinking that all of a game's modes should be thoroughly examined and scored in reviews regardless.
* Edit: Actually, looking at trophy rarities for KZ2 makes the multiplayer look like a wasteland. Almost every multiplayer trophy has a less than 1% unlock percentage.
Yeah I spent quite a bit on this section but managed by killing the drones first with 2 shots of the rail gun's long shot, before proceeding to the security terminal and then taking care of the rest by a mix of run and gun, owl stunning and a few well placed mines, in the end it felt like a mix of luck and me getting better at it so I was not too enraged of anything.
I think my main weapon for like 90% of the game was the Pulver (I really liked the air like sound it made after shooting and the rate of fire hehe) but I find myself sticking to "regular" weapons on most FPS (carbines and stuff), the unique weapons in kz2 were a lot of fun though.
I thought the soundtrack was awesome! Loads of varied sounds with some very Vangelis sounding bits. OST actually took me by surprise.
M82 in mercenary is God tier. Needs nerfing although I seem to be the only one using it online lol
Appollowexx
Member
WRONG! Soundtrack is the best I've heard in a FPS this side of Halo. Opinions and all but seriously no.
The other things you mention are pretty much spot on though, very average game overall but has brief moments of greatness and gunplay is satisfying.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Well, I did not say the music was bad, just that it was forgettable. After playing through the whole SP campaign, the only music that I can even remember is that bit during the ending cinematic, and that's simply because it was a little strange and unexpected.
Just thinking about FPS music, there are actually very few games where the melodies have stuck with me: Halo, Doom, Wolfenstein 3-D (Original), Medal of Honor (WW2)...uh. That's about all I can remember, and I've played a ton of FPS.
RedAssedApe
Banned
forgettable soundtrack and the music in the main menu really bugs me for some reason. haha
RedAssedApe
Banned
so i guess i didnt get a trophy because i accidentally killed one of the npcs in the new helgan slums. do i have to replay the enter game again just to get this? stupid game...crosshair turned green so i thought it wouldn't active melee lol
I thought the soundtrack was awesome in the context of the game. I doubt it would hold up well on it's own but it fit the setting quite well. The little Blade Runner-esque tune when flying into Vekta City in Chapter 4 is lovely.
Same thing happened to me. Just replay that section again, no need to even play the entire chapter. Just make sure you finish the whole section.
super-famicom
Member
The music you hear during the credits is the same music as the Ballet of Death Killzone 2 trailer . I did some Googling and discovered the song is titled "The Flower Duet" from the French opera "Lakmé" by Léo Delibes.
Mister Negative
Member
Guys does Chapter 3 have any jump scares because I am too spooked to continue.
No. Just send the OWL around and admire the pretty lights.
The SP campaign it's a piece of shit, this must be where the confusion started, I don't play online.
Agreed, I specifically tweeted the music guys because I was so impressed by it's ominous and oppressive tones.