Blood Diamonds
Banned
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Kingdom Hearts Community Thread: Now everybody can be a Keyblade Wielder!
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Soon the dream shall be realized botty, soon.
At least in the meantime we can get up on Cerberus's back in HD
True!
Napalm_Frank
Member
Fix'd
Yeah, Clayton was always the one other than Riku 2 that gave me a bunch of trouble in the original release. It took me a long time back then to beat him due to being stubborn and not bothering to grind, and being too young at the time to use items/magic properly, he still gives me a bunch of trouble even now.
Hook's not too bad because you have the capability to fly for the whole battle, but having a Battleship heartless being outside of the ship (that respawns not long after it's defeated) certainly does make it frustrating on harder difficulty's to heal/recover.
But yeah, proud mode's a really fun challenge in Final Mix.
That would have freaked the heck out of me as a kid.
My main gripe with the series (personally) is that after the original it lost a bunch of things the original had like a heavy emphasis on exploration, NPC interaction or cut down them a bunch.
But everyone's right in that saying Kingdom Hearts, Kingdom Hearts II (well Final Mix anyway) and Birth By Sleep are all brilliant games.
I was prettymuch the same when 2 released. I hadn't paid much attention to the series after Kingdom Hearts (although I had seen Chain of Memorys at stores but assumed it was a GBA port of the original and wasn't aware it bridged the gap to 2) so I was just happy to play the sequel to my favorite game and get back into the series when I found it came out here.
I did not know such amazingness existed.
badcrumble
Member
Maybe it's because I'm a bit older than the median age in this thread, but I remember my main impression of KH2 being of the flaws in the game when it first game out. Stumpokapow has mentioned that I made a a bunch of posts about it back on Something Awful at the time, and I've tracked them down (these are from April 2006). Some of them are pretty funny in retrospect:
Meccanical
Member
Dohohoho
WeaponKnight
Member
Not so mad about that now, eh?
The only thing that wasn't fixed is the gummi ship, but LOL GUMMI SHIP!
badcrumble
Member
I'm pretty glad that BBS and DDD got rid of the Gummi Ship in favor of something different.
I'd actually really love it if KH3 has the whole keyblade-armor riding-on-keyblade-in-space thing, but actually uses your in-game stats (and maybe even abilities). That way it'd be a minigame that'd actually help power Sora (or whichever playable character) up, while also becoming drastically easier once you're maxed out toward the end of the game.
WeaponKnight
Member
Donald and Goofy would have to follow you on the gummi ship, so it would be hard to do.
.... ooor, they could have keyblades too! Problem solved!
.... ooor, they could have keyblades too! Problem solved!
oh god that could actually happen
badcrumble
Member
If there's anything that the majority of the series (at this point) has shown, it's that Nomura is totally okay with having Donald and Goofy constantly disappear.
If I see a article about Tetsuya Nomura killed by fan mad about Kingdom Hearts game getting Final Mix years prior I'll look back and know that was badcrumble
I could picture something like the Xemnas sidecar glider battle in Kingdom Hearts 2 with Sora and Riku, replaced with enemys like in the gummi ship stages in 2 along with Sora using his keyblade armor glider with more advanced mechanics being incorporated in 3. I'm sure Nomura will probably stick to gummi ships though.
Don't jinx it D:
Blood Diamonds
Banned
So I began playing Days again. I still have to finish RE:Coded but I had a KH itch and so I began a new File.
Anyway, I find it to be a nice game. I really like the Story, and I also love how you can use every member of the Organization. I think the Panel system is good, I love Roxas' Keyblades and how fast he can combo. I still hate the stupid Missions where you have to look around a world for intel. It's pretty good for a DS games and I still really love the game.
After giving it much thought here's my KH list:
1.Kingdom Hearts 2
2.Kingdom Hearts
3.Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep
4.Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
5.Kingdom Hearts RE:CoM
6.Kingdom Hearts RE:Coded
*Haven't played DDD yet so idk about that
Anyway, I find it to be a nice game. I really like the Story, and I also love how you can use every member of the Organization. I think the Panel system is good, I love Roxas' Keyblades and how fast he can combo. I still hate the stupid Missions where you have to look around a world for intel. It's pretty good for a DS games and I still really love the game.
After giving it much thought here's my KH list:
1.Kingdom Hearts 2
2.Kingdom Hearts
3.Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep
4.Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
5.Kingdom Hearts RE:CoM
6.Kingdom Hearts RE:Coded
*Haven't played DDD yet so idk about that
badcrumble
Member
The endless ice cream cutscenes weren't what led me to hate that game. But I remember the precise moment when I was like "ugh, fuck this game" (and yes, I still finished it). It was when I went to Neverland (I think) to fight some even-higher-HP clone of the Ruler of the Sky - when said battle had already taken for-fucking-ever - that I realized that the missions in that game are utter crap.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
That's completely understandable because 358/2 Days is not for everybody. It''s kind of like Chain of Memories. To be honest I don't remember much of the game anymore, aside from the major things, so that's why I decided to replay it.
Though I do remember liking Neverland because Roxas was able to glide and I didn't think they would add that in Days.
Seven Force
Banned
What makes me dislike Days is a combination of things (Going to leave out story/plot stuff since that's entirely subjective):
- Boring world/level design. You would think that some of the maps being ripped wholesale from KH1 would make the worlds a little more enjoyable to traverse, but nope. And the only thing close to a new world in the game literally consists of a bare ship deck ripped straight from KH1 and an area with a bunch of rocks and nothing else.
- No hitstun whatsoever. Whereas Osaka games usually have this problem as well, it is present, albeit barely. In Days, it's completely nonexistent. At first I figured it was maybe a DS hardware/engine thing and it couldn't be helped, but imagine my surprise when I played Re:Coded and *gasp* enemies have hitstun! Bosses too! Enemies that should flinch when struck by a physical attack actually do!
- Lack of mission variety. I get the whole mission based structure for the game, and it works in the context of the game's scenario. But the missions in the game are filled with some of the most inane, tedious tasks imaginable. Collect these sigils. Destroy these purple blobs that pop up for some indiscriminate reason. Play this frustrating stealth mission. Go to these landmarks to collect intel. It's not engaging or fun at all, it's monotonous. I think the only reason most people hold the last 15-20% in somewhat decent regards is because the mission variety actually starts ramping up there.
- Limited magic casts are an awful idea.
- Ruler of the Sky may well be the poorest designed boss in the entire series.
It does do some things right. The Panel system is neat. Status effects show up in a big way. And Leechgrave is probably one of the more enjoyable bosses from any of the portable KH games. But the game is just filled with too many questionable design decisions and annoyances for my taste.
- Boring world/level design. You would think that some of the maps being ripped wholesale from KH1 would make the worlds a little more enjoyable to traverse, but nope. And the only thing close to a new world in the game literally consists of a bare ship deck ripped straight from KH1 and an area with a bunch of rocks and nothing else.
- No hitstun whatsoever. Whereas Osaka games usually have this problem as well, it is present, albeit barely. In Days, it's completely nonexistent. At first I figured it was maybe a DS hardware/engine thing and it couldn't be helped, but imagine my surprise when I played Re:Coded and *gasp* enemies have hitstun! Bosses too! Enemies that should flinch when struck by a physical attack actually do!
- Lack of mission variety. I get the whole mission based structure for the game, and it works in the context of the game's scenario. But the missions in the game are filled with some of the most inane, tedious tasks imaginable. Collect these sigils. Destroy these purple blobs that pop up for some indiscriminate reason. Play this frustrating stealth mission. Go to these landmarks to collect intel. It's not engaging or fun at all, it's monotonous. I think the only reason most people hold the last 15-20% in somewhat decent regards is because the mission variety actually starts ramping up there.
- Limited magic casts are an awful idea.
- Ruler of the Sky may well be the poorest designed boss in the entire series.
It does do some things right. The Panel system is neat. Status effects show up in a big way. And Leechgrave is probably one of the more enjoyable bosses from any of the portable KH games. But the game is just filled with too many questionable design decisions and annoyances for my taste.
badcrumble
Member
I tend to classify it with the games (basically, all of the ones that didn't get Final Mixes) that are clearly more about experimentation than polish or fleshed-out content. Note that this isn't a comment on what is or isn't "mainline," a conversation I find completely tedious. But I do think it's fair to say that KH1, KH2, and BBS are much more polished than the other games in the series.
DDD is the best example of a game that is both clearly core to the storyline, has very high production values, and is still full of experimentation (and, if I'm being less charitable, was clearly a rushed product) and lacking in polish.
The attempt to get you to play through two separate storylines at the same time instead of completing one character's story and moving on to the next: an interesting idea, but one that was terrible in practice.
FlowMotion: an interesting idea, but one that was terrible in practice.
Dream Eater companions with their own Sphere Grid equivalents: an interesting idea, but one that was terrible in practice.
And so on.
I suspect that we'll see shadows of what happened in DDD in KH3 - most notably FlowMotion, since Nomura has straight up said that that in particular will make it into more games - but they'll look very, very different, be much better integrated with the level design, and have benefited strongly by the experimentation that took place, even if that experimentation led to a very flawed game.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Nomura said FlowMotion is going to be in KH3?
Did not know that.
Did not know that.
Meccanical
Member
Yeah, hopefully toned waaaaaaaaaaaaayyy down.
At least initially.
At least initially.
badcrumble
Member
It's pretty obvious that FlowMotion and much of the level design in DDD were developed separately from each other. I kinda strongly suspect it'll be seriously toned down, yeah. It's only a few things that make it truly overpowered and gameplay-ruining.
WeaponKnight
Member
Wasn't flowmotion possible only in the dream worlds?
Also, spirits weren't a good idea to begin with. Hell no. Should have gone with heartless and nobodies. Urgh.
Also, spirits weren't a good idea to begin with. Hell no. Should have gone with heartless and nobodies. Urgh.
Meccanical
Member
I'm pretty sure they never really explained it in any way other than HAY LOOK AT THIS COOL SHIT YOU CAN DO NOW.
Yeah, they have strong (if not then a full confirmation) hints at it being a dream thing only.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Screw you Gummi haters! Gummi needs to make a glorious comeback and continue improving like they did in KH1->KH2 (tho I liked the gummi builder in KH1 more). The main things I would change would be to make it more challenging and add more real gummi bosses. Also I think adding 2D gummi sections would make it interesting too. Hell, just do a mix of sidescrolling, KH2 style 3D and top view.
Meccanical
Member
They need to find a way to make it more exciting.
I guess it just needs to be faster and the mechanics more responsive and fleshed out.
I guess it just needs to be faster and the mechanics more responsive and fleshed out.
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Napalm_Frank
Member
I don't think it needs to be faster, the KH2 style is quite fast for your general casual fan. The problem is that bullets don't really mean anything. You are just spamming that dodge move all day and keep that auto-fire going (why the fuck is it turned off by default?). First of all they need to add a cooldown to the dodge for example and make the bullets do actual damage. That would be a start if it were exactly the style of KH2.
Oh and while weapon upgrading and customization is a must they need to tone it down so you don't get ridicilous screencleaning truck of doom that blocks half the screen. If you make a huge ship the camera needs to be adjusted accordingly.
And last but not least: we all want it to be flashy but they need to show restraint too. I mean what the fuck is going on here?:
It's fine to be extra flashy if you go for very forgiving casual type experience but that doesn't make very fun challenging tight gameplay for repeated playthroughs ect.
WeaponKnight
Member
How about this: unlock the warp gummi from the start. Then all the weirdos can play the minigames while we enjoy the actual game!
Napalm_Frank
Member
How about this: unlock the warp gummi from the start. Then all the weirdos can play the minigames while we enjoy the actual game!
No, it must be mandatory and the haters will be shown the light when glorious Gummi v.3 shines upon us!
I want to be able to customize my Gummi Ship with personalized decals. Flying through space with Will Sasso's lemon face on the front of my gummi ship would be great.
badcrumble
Member
Eh, I'm cool with keyblade-riding instead - you can offer similar gameplay but without the tedium of the gummi ship building (and the general disappointment that happens every time you open up a treasure chest and it's just some Gummi item).
badcrumble
Member
I mean, its gameplay was pretty terrible (even though the Panel system was okay), but blugh, no.
Also, part of the whole point of the story is Roxas being sent out to kill as many Heartless as possible in order to release those hearts to form an artificial Kingdom Hearts.
Napalm_Frank
Member
But KH2 fixed that already with gummi items gained only from gummi stuff! Also you can just use blueprints if you don't like building :3
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Nah, it's an OK game. Not great but it's good enough.
WeaponKnight
Member
Final Mix fixed that. Now most of the treasure chests that contained useless gummi in the original now have Orihalcon or Dark Matter, which are VERY welcome.
Especially Dark Matter.
Seven Force
Banned
If Gummi Ship stages come back, every stage needs to be as bonkers as Ancient Highway, Broken Highway, and Assault of the Dreadnought. To this day, they're the only Gummi Ship stages I've ever replayed for fun. No other Gummi Ship section in the series matches the relative insanity of AoTD.
And hey, the Osaka team actually has some shoot 'em up experience under their belt, so it could end up being amazing.
And hey, the Osaka team actually has some shoot 'em up experience under their belt, so it could end up being amazing.
badcrumble
Member
Synthesis in Final Mix is still such a slog :-(
I like this idea!How about this: unlock the warp gummi from the start. Then all the weirdos can play the minigames while we enjoy the actual game!
I don't like this gummi preachers idea.
I don't think it would have worked as a standalone movie due to the structure of Days being day by day.
I can't believe I never thought of doing this.
badcrumble
Member
My main thing was always a Cactrot with tons of the littler guns on it so I'd just be constantly doing 1000 Needles with a massive, massive attack field.
Napalm_Frank
Member
CACTUAR!
badcrumble
Member
Sabotender.
R10Neymarfan
Member
Uh oh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2m_-PvbYwE#at=675&html5=1
I'll still buy it though, but I'll wait till it drops to $20-30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2m_-PvbYwE#at=675&html5=1
I'll still buy it though, but I'll wait till it drops to $20-30
Seven Force
Banned
I can't say any of the problems highlighted in that video aside from Re:CoM (Which definitely feels a bit shoddy in comparison to the effort put into KH1's port) and the pixel faces really bothered me all that much. It's still head and shoulders over a lot of other HD collections at the end of the day.
Everyone who played the JP version knows this. Still one of, if not the best HD remaster.
badcrumble
Member
Bullshotting with higher-quality models than actually got used in certain scenes is shitty, for sure.
Most of the rest of this, though, is several list items' worth of "waah 358/2 Days didn't get fully remade."