Kojima on O.D "Something Totally Different" - People Will Either Love it or Hate it. Real Evaluations Will Come After 10, 20 Years.
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Liopleurodon
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His personality quirks aside (which I honestly think are overexaggerated on Internet), I played (and REPLAYED) enough of Kojima's games to know that whatever he has in store, I will most likely enjoy it if I decide to give it a chance.
Musashipan
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He is ridiculous and his games are utterly overrated. I don't
Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
LordOcidax
Member
This man is the EGO himself 
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SamusXAran89
Neo Member
When did Kojima actually become the way he is now? It feels like he thinks he's a Mastermind who does everything well, and those who don't understand it are 20 Years behind.
Sorry that I don't want to invest 40+ hours in a Walking Simulation where i find the characters awful, and don't understand the story because the developer himself doesn't.
The cutscenes are long and boring.
His last good game was Metal Gear 3. Part 4 was technically very good, but there were too few opportunities to exploit it because it was more cutscene-oriented and the levels felt more like a Linear Movie Game.
I think Kojima is just wasting a lot of Sony/Microsoft Money. I was a big Kojima fan, but now I just find him annoying. He wasted 10 years on DS1 and DS2 to indulge his obsession. And the Kojima Defense Alliance will invoke Kojima Article 5 every time Kojima is criticized, which only makes him continue to believe he's God.
Sorry that I don't want to invest 40+ hours in a Walking Simulation where i find the characters awful, and don't understand the story because the developer himself doesn't.
The cutscenes are long and boring.His last good game was Metal Gear 3. Part 4 was technically very good, but there were too few opportunities to exploit it because it was more cutscene-oriented and the levels felt more like a Linear Movie Game.
I think Kojima is just wasting a lot of Sony/Microsoft Money. I was a big Kojima fan, but now I just find him annoying. He wasted 10 years on DS1 and DS2 to indulge his obsession. And the Kojima Defense Alliance will invoke Kojima Article 5 every time Kojima is criticized, which only makes him continue to believe he's God.
LordOcidax
Member
I was thinking the same thing, working with this man most be a nightmare…
TaciturnWolf
Neo Member
He had a great track record tho, it's not like just idiots bought the games he made for the sake of it, but after he left Konami and the whole controversy behind that, he was championed as the "misunderstood creator that couldn't finish the perfect game because evil Konami didn't let him" and that elevated his ego to the stratosphere with this result, 2 walking sims being sold as "revolutionary", if made by any other studio, would get panned left and right
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The Devil's Grocers
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I don't understand the hate Kojima gets at all. I'm not a big fan of anything he's done in the past ten years but he's one of the few people who treat games like an artform and sometimes manages to have original ideas instead of just churning out safe designs that are guaranteed to sell. So he talks like an artist, I'm glad we've still got some
ReBurn
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He catches flak because most people don't play video games for the art. They play video games because they want to relax and have fun. Kojima's "artistry" is often too complex for the medium.
I think he's making a GaaS so his success for it is whether it is still around after 10-20 years like GTA and Fortnite.
undeadhero
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This guy. A good example of when it gets to your head.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
What are you clowns frothing about ?
Like, why is him not pretending that he's obliged to make stuff you personally like seen as an affront to you ?
It seems to me that the ones with the ego problems are the losers in this thread acting pissy because a dev (that they apparently don't like already) is basically being up-front about the fact that he expects his next works to be divisive, and that only over time can actual artistic merit be claimed.
I'd be much more concerned if a creator with his stature and influence, especially given he has to be closer to the end of his career than its start just based on his age, was desperately chasing trends.
That'd just be sad, doubly so if he had to kowtow to the bell-ends in the peanut gallery in order to promote it.
Like, why is him not pretending that he's obliged to make stuff you personally like seen as an affront to you ?
It seems to me that the ones with the ego problems are the losers in this thread acting pissy because a dev (that they apparently don't like already) is basically being up-front about the fact that he expects his next works to be divisive, and that only over time can actual artistic merit be claimed.
I'd be much more concerned if a creator with his stature and influence, especially given he has to be closer to the end of his career than its start just based on his age, was desperately chasing trends.
That'd just be sad, doubly so if he had to kowtow to the bell-ends in the peanut gallery in order to promote it.
Black_Mamba
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It's one of the worst designed games I've ever seen. And I'm a huge fan of the first one.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
150+ hrs in, and its way better than the first game.
Badlucktroll
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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It's becoming more and more clear why Konami wanted — and had — to get rid of this man. This self-absorbed manner… Genius and madness really do lie close together. I never warmed up to DS1 and I'm skipping DS2. Kojima is a mad dog.
Especially when you count in how much money he wasted on development by wanting this and that, getting approved and then not using half the licences or recorded voices because he had a change of heart. Its sooo much easier to be a "genius" when you are playing with other people's money.
Hero_Select
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How dare you all question a man who puts -so- much thought into his masterful writing
Deadman replaced his organs from the dead
Fragile is fragile
Heartman has heart problems
Genius!
Deadman replaced his organs from the dead
Fragile is fragile
Heartman has heart problems
Genius!
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Dont forget The Sorrow who is sad and Fury who is furious!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Nok Su Kow
Member
So pretentious
Having said that Kojima's brand of pretention is my favourite so hook it to my veins!
Having said that Kojima's brand of pretention is my favourite so hook it to my veins!
captainpat
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JFC, why are people getting so bent out of shape over a nothing statement? Who cares what he has to say about the game it will speak for itself when it comes out.
Wandering Leopard
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I don't see the problem in a creator announcing they want to make something divisive.
Would people prefer the same old bland AAA titles, or do they want developers to take chances and risk some of the audience hating it.
Bearing in mind that AAA developers tend to play it safe the majority of the time...
Would people prefer the same old bland AAA titles, or do they want developers to take chances and risk some of the audience hating it.
Bearing in mind that AAA developers tend to play it safe the majority of the time...
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Hugare
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We are still using his 2001 game as an example of how great he is, instead of more recent examples. This is telling.
Last masterpiece Kojima has made, imo, was MGS 4 in 2008. Its been a while.
MGS V was very flawed and Death Stranding is ... something. I've enjoyed the first game, but second game made me realise that maybe Ive enjoyed the first game due to its novelty, cause Im bored to tears playing the 2nd one.
The man needs to stay on a leash. Once the man became independent, his ego went to the moon, and his games became even more pretentious with terrible writting.
He clearly had people at Konami telling him that he went a bit too far sometimes, but now no one at Sony is brave enough to tell the man what he cooks isnt great. So he doesnt have editors.
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SamusXAran89
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Even Sony had to explicitly sign an action-stealth contract with Kojima to ensure he would develop what was expected from the start.
Giving him free rein was a mistake. Konami reacted wisely.I really enjoy playing games that I consider as works of art. For example, Neva, Gris, Expedition 33 and other indie titles, but Death Stranding isn't art. It feels like a self-generated world where you walk around, deliver packages, and watch boring cutscenes, many of which were stolen from other movies/anime.
Again, it's not complex, but empty and dull. The insidious thing about the whole thing is that he always steals very short scenes from other Movies/Animes. For example, "Tommorows Sliding on the Shadow" is straigt from the anime "Summer Rendering," and he likes that anime. The whole Anime is about Shadows from Another world.
Hideo Kojima Praises Summer Time Rendering: ‘Can’t Stop Thinking About It’
The Japanese game designer is in love with this anime.
You can call it inspiration, but it isn't. You don't become an Artist by watching a lot of Movies and Anime and incorporating everything into your own work. Unfortunately, people like me who also like to watch Movies and Anime notice things like this.
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Liopleurodon
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Haters gonna hate.
While I agree with you generally about being pissy why would it take 2 decades for the artistic merit to be claimed/seen? I think he means longevity of popularity, not artistically.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Nah, far more likely he's just ballparking the amount of time it takes for a work to be placed in a historic context of quality, beyond how it fits in the zeitgeist at the time of release.
I'm a similar age to Kojima so I too have seen how opinions on pop-cultural "icons" often reverse with the passage of time, but rarely change again after a couple of decades have passed. Basically if a thing is remembered fondly 20 years on, its place in posterity is ensured to a greater or lesser degree.
The reality that a lot of games/movies/tv-shows get rated highly when they come out, but end up forgotten within a few years.
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