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Kotaku: Next Xbox will require online connection to start games
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IHaveCandy
Banned
This is funny. If this is true, MS will have console kiosks around the country that let you play games offline in the store, but not at home.
This may also make used systems hard to do for GameStop.
This may also make used systems hard to do for GameStop.
Delusibeta
Banned
Let's be blunt here: if Microsoft releases a console that is always online, then the console is probably going to fail, and I wouldn't rule out them exiting the console market as a direct result.
Already been officially and publicly denied, any always-online DRM will have to be implemented by the publisher.
Miles Quaritch
Member
It's still an argument based on them lowering their market-share. That doesn't seem sensible or realistic.
Their goal is to sell to as many as possible, there's no middle ground. There's no room for them ignoring segments of the market because they mightn't bring in as much revenue as others. Their aim should and will be to reach revenue parity, so eventually even those who spend $30 a year now will be spending $100 a year at some point.
It's ridiculous to suggest they'll wilfully ignore a large percentage of the market to focus on a smaller group. It's a loss in market-share, it's a loss in revenue. hey can't afford either.
sixteen-bit
Member
unmitigated disaster in the making
Yeah, I've been reading many posts that reflect this mentality, lately, and it really saddens me. Where's the empathy?
Dude 40%... FORTY PERCENT... do you understand how much marketshare that is to lose?
Again. Gamers aren't the most learned consumers. They are often spineless and will take what they can get. Reliability of one's Internet is removed from whether or not it's a problem for penetration.
Revenue from a unconnected/regular box:
Peripherals
Games
Revenue from a connected box:
DLC
Avatar Items
XBLA games
Gold
Other services behind a paywall / ecosystem
Peripherals
Games
I wouldn't be surprised if a connected box was worth twice as much or more.
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
This and nickel and diming the gamer to death. And of course the devs will try to take advantage of the always online system with game with multiple microtransaction opportunities.
Askherserenity
Member
Microsoft and anyone supporting this bullshit trying to say its a positive deserves to be punched. Options are always better than having no options. Also there seem to be a lot of self-centered people here. At least understand why it may be such a big problem to the some people.
Yeah, I'm surprised how self-centered people here can be. Pretty sad. "I HAVE HIGH SPEED INTERNET SO EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD MUST HAVE HIGH SPEED INTERNETS TOO".
Its not just having an internet connection though is it (and some people just don't want the internet, it has nothing to do with price), its the fact that most people in the world have caps on their internet, sometimes major caps, some people may not have internet in the room where they want to put the Xbox or they can't put the Xbox near the internet box (not everyone has wi fi you know).
Also since when was gaming something only the rich can have?.
No, just their informant can't come with any positive thing about, doesn't it ?
It's not happening , no way no how.
Any console doing this is DOA. I also no longer believe Europe is going to see a new console in 2013
It's also dumb to even entertain the notion that MS is going to ditch 40% of their current market share in the hope that those 60% of consoles that are connected are not only going to maintain their level of spending , but spend enough to offset the loss if the 40% ( or of course sell more online connected consoles next gen than last)
Any console doing this is DOA. I also no longer believe Europe is going to see a new console in 2013
It's also dumb to even entertain the notion that MS is going to ditch 40% of their current market share in the hope that those 60% of consoles that are connected are not only going to maintain their level of spending , but spend enough to offset the loss if the 40% ( or of course sell more online connected consoles next gen than last)
NullPointer
Member
And there's your precedent.
krypt0nian
Banned
At first. And that's people who were offline before the console required it.
I'll say it again, let's neither of us pretend we have access to all the maths. And that's assuming large corps don't make terrible decisions all the damn time. They have president with going broadband only for online with the OG xbox. How much of the market do you think they lost then? Way more than OMG 40%.
DragonSworne
Banned
It's not about HAVING internet, it's about having your access to games restricted. You have internet? Lol guess what MS servers are down for maintenance so go take an hour long dump on our customer service reps until we get it back up.
Omnistalgic
Member
Uno Venova
Banned
Yeah I'm not sure what it proves that gaffers won't be able to come up with the calculations and reasoning that MS has to do this. No one knows that they are thinking.
Miles Quaritch
Member
This also ignores the high possibility that those "unconnected" people do purchase items such as Live Arcade titles, DLC, etc but simply choose to remain offline for the majority of their play time for whatever reason.
It's naive to assume that because they choose to remain offline, they don't purchase or access the marketplace.
demosthenes
Member
You have already bought a 720 and are stuck w/ this dilemma b/c you have a large library of games you already bought and don't want to sell?
Why is empathy needed, nobody has bought the system, we don't even know if this is 100% true.
edit: May have misunderstood what the empathy was for, my bad if so.
pharmboy044
Member
Thanks, I'm really excited to see what MS shows.
krypt0nian
Banned
Right. I don't know what to make of this rumor, even if it keeps popping up. But to try and negate it with initial loss of marketshare is simplistic at it's base. Especially since no one is guaranteed marketshare across generations.
And he addressed that, they're gambling on making more profit off of the remaining percentage, while converting the other part to always be online, and he has a good point it actually IS a very Microsoft-esque move. And if consumers are willing it may well be a gamble worth taking: a lot of people are too lazy to bother connecting the system, don't know how to, or are on older models without wi-fi. I imagine they figure they can get at least half of those people to be online players via the add on of built-in wi-fi and demanding this, and as they're constantly seeing ads they'll bring more money on that alone, nevermind if they go "what the hell I'm online anyway lets check out these DD games."
I actually expect Sony wants roughly the same end goal (even if there's no ads they'll want people keeping the foot in the door for buying games and content online), but they likely are taking a different approach by just making the online that compelling and that easy to access... hell, they probably do have higher connectivity rates just by wi-fi being in every model but the 20 GB ones that were only around for a short time.
Tylahedras
Banned
Even if the math is on their side it's quite cocky to assume everyone who has a stable connection will just say, "yeah sure, whatever"
RedNumberFive
Banned
Is there really anything positive to say about this situation?
I'm on #TeamBS, too.
Baconsammy
Banned
I can feel bad for you that you can't enjoy something I can, but I'm not making buying decisions based on that. Especially when it comes to something as frivolous as entertainment. There's always Product B for you if Product A can't offer you what you want.
Oppo
Member
Did you read what I wrote?
Connected customers almost certainly pay WAY MORE in a year than unconnected ones.
It's not about market share. It's about how much they pay. It's about making a profit. See: Apple.
Ok, who is being ridiculous now.
krypt0nian
Banned
Agreed. That unfortunately may not be enough to stop the move. =(
I've had issues with Microsoft as a company due to their business practices from around 2/3 of the way through this generation, but I decided I would stick with them until the end of the generation at least. News like this coupled with waning performance next to the PC counterpart multiplatform games makes me strongly regret that decision, if true. It looks like it will be PS4/PC for me next gen, with possibly a Wii U if Nintendo releases some good games for it in the future.
krypt0nian
Banned
DING! Apple lives on the "better more valued" customer and does quite well in that regard, marketshare or no.
It's probably not as constant. MSFT wants a constant stream. I bet you there is a correlation between money spent overall and time spent connected online. That relationship is bi directional. My post, however, did focus on that group that is offline not by choice but by circumstance.
Baconsammy
Banned
Those people by their very definition are not buying XBL right now. Maybe that's all MS cares about.
Yep. Marketshare doesn't mean shit if catering to that market doesn't amount to much and in doing so reduces profits you can make off the "more valued" customer.
Douche McBaggins The 3rd
Junior Member
I kind of find this hysterical. I hope Microsoft crashes and burns with Balmer dancing around about DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS. Though I'm still wondering if the Investors are going to actually do anything with Balmer shitting down the SS Microsoft.
GO MICROSOFT GO! DO IT. Sink that ship! You don't need us who refuse to look at your big GLORIOUS AMERICAN ADVERTISING!
GO MICROSOFT GO! DO IT. Sink that ship! You don't need us who refuse to look at your big GLORIOUS AMERICAN ADVERTISING!
People seemed really riled up about this, but I wonder how many folks are really going to turn their back to the Xbox after being content up until this news. I really believe once MS shows something, most will backpedal. Gamers panic, puff their chests up, and cave once they're shown something they want. Its not the "always online, always connected" feature they're going to sell you on.
These guys sold folks on Kinect (after folks proclaimed they didn't want motion controls), took a strong retail gaming hiatus for 2+ years while riding the backs of 3rd parties, and still lead in sales in America. They've sold you a box they knew was busted, charged you for access to internet you already pay for, and have publicly stated they're not in it for games multiple times from multiple sources. While some things like the red ring thing was no doubt negative, some of it is just perceived as negative. There's nothing wrong with offering an entertainment box. There's nothing wrong with putting games on a lower tier. If we as consumers don't like it, we can opt to not buy it. There are alternatives. But I think the fear is that, alot of us will like it. Alot of us have liked it. The press has suggested that MS is beginning to shift its focus and have implied that this is undesirable. But I would argue MS has been on this track for a long time. And during that time, we as gamers and those in the media have been complicit. Their E3 presentations focused on Facebook and Twitter, Kinect and Smartglass, Netflix,TV apps, and tangential DLC. Those were the takeways in the gaming headlines. We want what we say we don't.
From what I remember, a great deal of press have applauded their E3 presentations where they showed fewer exclusive games when compared to Sony. I remember our media commenting more on Cirque De Soleil, remaining members of the Beatles, and apps that MS secured first. Presentation over content. I don't say that to demonize them, cause its nothing to demonize...its what we've shown we like. Sony was pushing out various games as if it was a middle child vying for attention from its parents, with little fanfare outside of well...its fans
So my thinking is if you like your 360...if you've liked your 360 for years now...then you're likely going to like 720, so don't worry. They're going to stick to the same thing they've been doing. I don't see how this one feature negates everything else. They're going to show you the same type of things that wowed you before...the same things that hooked you before. Sure there will be new bells and whistles, that's to be expected, but in principle...it'll be the same Xbox you've loved. How much of the core Xbox experience is changing that much?
These guys sold folks on Kinect (after folks proclaimed they didn't want motion controls), took a strong retail gaming hiatus for 2+ years while riding the backs of 3rd parties, and still lead in sales in America. They've sold you a box they knew was busted, charged you for access to internet you already pay for, and have publicly stated they're not in it for games multiple times from multiple sources. While some things like the red ring thing was no doubt negative, some of it is just perceived as negative. There's nothing wrong with offering an entertainment box. There's nothing wrong with putting games on a lower tier. If we as consumers don't like it, we can opt to not buy it. There are alternatives. But I think the fear is that, alot of us will like it. Alot of us have liked it. The press has suggested that MS is beginning to shift its focus and have implied that this is undesirable. But I would argue MS has been on this track for a long time. And during that time, we as gamers and those in the media have been complicit. Their E3 presentations focused on Facebook and Twitter, Kinect and Smartglass, Netflix,TV apps, and tangential DLC. Those were the takeways in the gaming headlines. We want what we say we don't.
From what I remember, a great deal of press have applauded their E3 presentations where they showed fewer exclusive games when compared to Sony. I remember our media commenting more on Cirque De Soleil, remaining members of the Beatles, and apps that MS secured first. Presentation over content. I don't say that to demonize them, cause its nothing to demonize...its what we've shown we like. Sony was pushing out various games as if it was a middle child vying for attention from its parents, with little fanfare outside of well...its fans
So my thinking is if you like your 360...if you've liked your 360 for years now...then you're likely going to like 720, so don't worry. They're going to stick to the same thing they've been doing. I don't see how this one feature negates everything else. They're going to show you the same type of things that wowed you before...the same things that hooked you before. Sure there will be new bells and whistles, that's to be expected, but in principle...it'll be the same Xbox you've loved. How much of the core Xbox experience is changing that much?That's the hope of those who want to see this fail catastrophically.
Of course it'd REALLY be better if everyone had access to awesome fast internet if they desired it, but even with that it's kind of a dick movie. As it is, it's a dick move with a good chance of blowing up.
dark_prinny
Banned
Hey Microsoft:
Good luck If true.
Good luck If true.
Penguins&PolarBears
Member
I see it the opposite. People arguing in favor of optical discs and offline consoles are holding back progress and potential for advancements.
By eliminating people with 56k dial-up ISPs from Xbox Live, they made the experience better for everyone with broadband and Xbox. It made Xbox Live better to exclude people without broadband. It enabled them to build a better service and better games. It also encouraged people without broadband to wake up and move into the modern era and drop AOL era services for something better.
There are a lot of advancements you can make with an always on console that you couldn't do with an optional online console. And I mean beyond the cynical justifications of ad serving and DRM protection. Cloud computing and connection have enormous potential to advance consoles and game design.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I did, you're choosing to ignore a segment of the user base that does go online, but chooses not to remain online permanently. They exist and they do spend money on buying games, DLC, etc.
It's not a ridiculous comment to make.
Tylahedras
Banned
I won't be buying, but I am rather curious what kind of sales they will get with an always online kinect required machine sold for 99 $ on a contract plan.
There are a lot of poor stupid people out there.
There are a lot of poor stupid people out there.
