Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4
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I think people are celebrating because of Nintendo's absolute arrogance regarding the Wii U. They ignored and dissed third parties and have released a $300 overpriced console with really no games to speak of out now, or anything coming out the rest of the year.
SquiddyCracker
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Wii U is the Nintendo 64 2.0
Most people will miss this, but bravo.
SonicMegaDrive
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I think the fact that the thing could play DVDs was a pretty significant factor, too. Especially in the Japanese market.
$350 is a lot for many people to spend on a "companion" box
Cbajd5
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Of course they wouldn't, because anyone with half a brain knows people aren't interested in late ports at all. Didn't you hear about Rayman Legends?
Also, I thought the PS2 beat the Dreamcast because it was a DVD player.
Nintendo went from around 25 million sold with the GameCube to around almost 100 million with the Wii.
If Nintendo retained its hardcore following (around 25 million with the GameCube and the N64) then they can expect at least 25 million sales of the Wii U in its lifetime.
I would say most of the rest of the Wii buyers are gone.
With sell through of around 70 million each with the HD twins, combined we see a number close to PS2 numbers.
I would say that is a very large pool of gamers ready to jump to next gen.
He sounds right to me, why would developers spend big money to pretty much make 2 seperate games just to support the WiiU (which they would need to when we are talking about PS4/720 games). It will be a lot easier and cheaper to port PS3/360 games to the WiiU than it would be to port a Next Gen game to it.
Thunder Monkey
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I'd wager it will be completely dependent on uptake for each console.
If they see the slow growth of the PS3 or worse WiiU, PS3/360 versions of games will be publisher mandated. Even if they are gimped, half-assed ports.
And even then, that's far from a guarantee that WiiU will receive them.
Why did you use those apostrophes? You'll make people think you don't consider Kirby cool.
Please stop mocking people that don't exist.
Not with this machine.
The Wii U is
Wii: This Is What We Thought Would Happen The First Time... point O.
Tathanen
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People will work two jobs for their two consoles.
Wooooosh, the Gies joke went over your head too.
The hell GAF? I thought the SimCity stuff was the talk of the forum
No point of even buying consoles for multiplats, might as well stick to PC for multiplats and consoles for exclusives.
Dead Prince
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let's not go there yet. got to wait for our Super mario 64
PigSpeakers
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Can Wii U run blast processing?
EatinOlives
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Yeah, Nintendo didn't put out a $350 "companion box", because at best it means playing second fiddle to Sony's and MS's consoles. Nintendo does fail in making their console competitive with its counterparts, it's completely disingenuous to move goalposts and pretend it's not failing by changing the definition.
TalesOfWin
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Cbajd5
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But everyone's saying they're already going to pay another $250 dollars for a controller with an actual screen on it to stream their games.
I'm talking about the Vita if anyone is confused.
Mr_Antimatter
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It was a nifty feature, but I wouldn't discount the effect games like mgs 2 had on changing gamers opinions of the platform. The original impressions form the japanese launch were not exactly overly positive.
After that trailer, none of that mattered.
Majmun
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Wooooosh, the Gies joke went over your head too.
The hell GAF? I thought the SimCity stuff was the talk of the forum
Whooosh or not. The joke has probably some truth in it.
VC isn't on the system yet, so who knows!
Gamecube multiplatform support didn't matter much. At the time, most of the big games could afford to go PS2 exclusive. It was a different time.
Oh, and it's already out of virtual boy territory. It was out that area launch month. The floor for the Wii U is Saturn/Dreamcast levels; virtual boy shouldn't even be mentioned, nor does it deserve to be capitalized.
Think of the deals Nintendo has in place with Atlus, the Enix arm of Square Enix, and Namco Bandai. Think of the development resources of those companies being poured into Wii U projects. Think of the relevancy of those companies on Sony and Microsoft consoles. This could even apply to Capcom for certain IPs like Monster Hunter.
Wind Waker had the best art style of any Zelda game. But it also had the worst overworld (a whole lotta nothing on that ocean with an awful method to change course), lackluster dunegons in both number and quality with one being a forced stealth dungeon to boot, simplistic combat that lacked any sort of challenge, and dire pacing issues.
If you'd like to continue this conversation I'd be happy to, but take it to PMs since it's not exactly relevant to this topic.
Rainbow In The Dark
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Jesus Christ, Rein! Nintendo fans are people too!
PigSpeakers
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Wii U couldn't run Sonic. Sega's got them beat for sure.
Thunder Monkey
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Still makes perfect sense for them and their dev teams though. Especially for a company that doesn't think gaming budgets should be over $20 million.
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Come to think of it... I don't think they've made a game in which development costs were over $15 million.
SonicMegaDrive
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It was more than a nifty feature, it's actually credited for jumpstarting the DVD market in many places. Many people bought the system just to play DVDs.
Dave Meltzer
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Ocarina
Twilight Princess
Wind Waker
Majora's Mask
Skyward Sword
definite list of all times unquestionable truth bomb dropped.
Twilight Princess
Wind Waker
Majora's Mask
Skyward Sword
definite list of all times unquestionable truth bomb dropped.
I knoooooow, yeesh my joke has clearly failed today.
If there is a next console. They could conceivably go handheld only.
I'm not convinced. All these engines coming out are cross-generational (which explains why Ubisoft's games run like crap). Given costs, I think we'll see cross gen for a while.
We still won't see Wii U. Nobody cares.
Wasn't the killer app for PS2 The Matrix DVD for like months after launch?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Nintendo in a few months...
It sure as hell wasn't The Bouncer.
Majmun
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Are you really putting Sony and MS in the same relevancy camp in Japan?
When it comes to consoles, Nintendo can't be called more relevant than Sony...
MisterHero
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It can stay the fuck away if every EA game is like Sim CityWe have experts weighing in:
I think the Gamecube really screwed up Nintendo's mentality regarding console R&D. I think because they experienced failure with arguably the most powerful console, they decided after that to go instead for user input innovation rather than straight processing power.
However, things have changed since then. During the PS2/GC days third parties still largely decided on which console to release their games on through contracts and userbase, and not based on how well a console's hardware could run the game. Also, the fact that PS2 had DVD playback played a large part to why it sold better than the GC.
Nowadays, the third party philosophy is to release their game on every console imaginable as long as the cost to do so is marginal. The only thing that gets made exclusive for the most part is DLC.
Given that, I feel like Nintendo is still stuck on the strategy of those bygone days (deal to get Bayonetta exclusive and other Platinum games), when things have changed. This gen would have been the perfect time to simply release a powerful system a la the Gamecube and forgo the input gimmicks (forgo because its a necessity to keep costs down). Nintendo could have copied all of the online innovations Microsoft developed and still have been the top seller because they have the one thing the competitor's don't, Nintendo's first party stable of characters.
I mean, who wouldn't have killed for a console that could handle every single third party game going forward and Nintendo 1st party games? That would have been as close to a one console future as we've ever had.
However, things have changed since then. During the PS2/GC days third parties still largely decided on which console to release their games on through contracts and userbase, and not based on how well a console's hardware could run the game. Also, the fact that PS2 had DVD playback played a large part to why it sold better than the GC.
Nowadays, the third party philosophy is to release their game on every console imaginable as long as the cost to do so is marginal. The only thing that gets made exclusive for the most part is DLC.
Given that, I feel like Nintendo is still stuck on the strategy of those bygone days (deal to get Bayonetta exclusive and other Platinum games), when things have changed. This gen would have been the perfect time to simply release a powerful system a la the Gamecube and forgo the input gimmicks (forgo because its a necessity to keep costs down). Nintendo could have copied all of the online innovations Microsoft developed and still have been the top seller because they have the one thing the competitor's don't, Nintendo's first party stable of characters.
I mean, who wouldn't have killed for a console that could handle every single third party game going forward and Nintendo 1st party games? That would have been as close to a one console future as we've ever had.
Tathanen
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I'm just trying to live in reality. Nintendo is the one that moved the goalposts with the original Wii. They stopped competing. "We're going to do something different." If they want to be different, they can't possibly expect to get all of the same games. Now if they get NO games then yes, that is failure. But we don't need to expect them to get the SAME games.
I certainly doubt they'd tell you "buy a PS4 and a Wii U to keep your bases covered," that's just my advice. I'm sure they'd like you to just prefer the kind of content they're releasing. But we're enthusiast gamers here, we need one of each to be satisfied. Such is life.
Why the hell would they do that? I hope Nintendo is clever enough to finally realise they are on their own supporting their console/handheld hybrid. And I think it could be the best time for Nintendo fans ever.
They'll probably try to come out with a console that is everything fans and companies have been asking from them first.
If they make a hybrid console they would probably have a crap-ton of Japanese support to go with the extra money and resources saved by only having to support one device so it wouldn't be as big of a concern then. Nintendo would still probably try to do something to get more western support through regardless.
I could see one more round of the big yearly titles being cross gen. The COD's and Assassins Creed's. After fall 2014, that's really pushing it.
i hate to pull the ol' nostalgia card, but ocarina is super small and its dungeons are rather primitive these days, especially compared with twilight princess.
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