JordanN
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It has the merit of being on a handheld meaning, it can be taken everywhere.
If you want to know my point, it's being low power makes ports harder.
Gamecube did something that its future successors could not live up to.
Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4
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If you want to know my point, it's being low power makes ports harder.
Gamecube did something that its future successors could not live up to.
Thunder Monkey
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At some point the changes necessary for UE4 to run on WiiU should make someone go "Why aren't we just using UE3 for this?"
Pachterballs
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what a joke the wiiU is.
to have a room of people laughing at the expense of it...
also in the article
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to have a room of people laughing at the expense of it...
also in the article
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So, your point is that it couldn't go to the Wii because it was low-powered, in the face of a port on a system even less capable of doing SC4.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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They expected something big for it and probably still do but I believe they actually DID want to get third partys back on board(HD, controller layout, policies) instead of "just" having the casual audience.
And what better way than to merge an existing idea of theirs(the DS) and something people are currently excited about(tablet experience)???
The controller covers a lot of bases, it's just not something that people have never seen before.
Without the flashy big games yet, people don't get what's so great about it.
(not to mention the obvious poor marketing)
We already know that we're going to be seeing Mario, Mario Kart and Smash Bros. We'll probably see some of the games we say in the ND along with new ones like Retro's game and Nintendo will probably be showing off a few new 3DS games as well.
So we now know what we already knew months ago then? That Epic wouldn't be putting UE4 on WiiU. Seriously, Epic said this several months ago. They said quite clearly that they wouldn't be porting the engine to WiiU but another developer could if they chose too.
Just because this PR turd decided to spout off the same message in a more derisory fashion doesn't make it news.
Just because this PR turd decided to spout off the same message in a more derisory fashion doesn't make it news.
Yes, but again, both those games weren't sold alone. They were both bundled with extra remotes which pushed their sales. Wii Play pretty much sucked and Resort was pretty good but not as good as the first.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Exactly.
JordanN
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The psp version still got downgraded. That doesn't invalidate what I said.
Ninja Scooter
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Tablets are a good idea, people loved them when they first used them...5 years ago. There is no novelty there for Nintendo. The Wii had novelty. People hadn't used motion control before.
People saw the Wii for the first time and wanted to use it, and it drew people in because playing things like Bowling and Tennis was so intuitive. People see the Wii U for the first time and it looks like a cheap, kiddy "My first Tablet" and none of the available software draws anyone in the same way.
shinra-bansho
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Unwarranted optimism is akin to willful ignorance at this point though. No one is going to bother, as you alluded to in your later post - UE3 is there. Publishers making UE4 games will not invest in a Wii U UE4 optimization. They probably aren't even making Wii U SKUs to begin with.
Mark Rein, VP Epic Games, PR turd. I'm sure it says that on his business card.
Pachterballs
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Then the answer would come quite quickly "because UE3 is a different set of tools which doesn't allow quick and easy porting to UE4 games".
TheGreatMightyPoo
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This just shows you know nothing about development. At that point there is no reason for the developer not to just use UE3 instead.
According to your logic, UE4 can be ported to Xbox 360 as well. No developer would ever do that though since it's better to just use UE3.
not_so_special
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i dont know.. two consoles,the 360 and ps3 in march 2013 i still got excellent games like tomb raider,bioshock infinite,metal gear rising,etc etc as a gamer this generation was awesome and still is awesome,to me thats ok in my books
The sad part is that people seem to forget the fact that the GC was available in black at launch as well. That's what I have.
JordanN
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For up and coming developers, it could be. I know schools teach with the UDK. So I imagine for those who graduate, they may want to stick with that because that's what they were taught.
crazy monkey
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I found that part sad actually.
I don't think being a PR turd and co founding a company are mutually exclusive. I wasn't trying to claim he's not a very influential person, especially at Epic.
What you are doing is attacking a dev because he dares to state what the engine they made will run on!
Calling people a "turd" is nothing other than childish!
Thunder Monkey
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And WiiU won't have quick and easy porting with UE4.
At some point you'll have changed so much to achieve anything close to acceptable visuals (because you won't have the brute force power to do what the others can) that you've practically made your own engine.
Either way... this isn't exactly a good thing for the already anemic WiiU 3rd party scene.
I guess I don't understand what your point is trying to say, then. A Wii version certainly wasn't going to take up any significant resources if Namco was already willing to do a PSP port, and they're certainly wouldn't be any major issues to go from the PSP to the Wii if that's what it came down to.
That's nice and all but someone needs to inform the Japanese-centric Iwata that this won't help them.
The 90s are over, it's 2013 and Japanese games are a niche in today's western market.
Thunder Monkey
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Discounting Nintendo titles that wane and prosper with the hardware they are released on.
megabytecr
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Nintendo has to live with that. I hope wr get a nice U library. Regarding the industry AAA games are suffering now, lets hope the industry does not crash.
Thunder Monkey
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Nah, no crash.
But we've seen a pretty significant contraction in the past generation that isn't likely to subside. More a contraction in design philosophy among large publishers than actual market contraction. The market got larger. Genre diversity contracted.
Jokes and Riddles
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Wow sequel city.
I'll just play the odds. History shows launches have traditionally overly hyped, yet weak, lineups with one or two gems.
Good but not perfect, swap WW/TP
Trickster
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half of those games are brand new IP's, can't really expect to ONLY have new IP's just because of the switch to a new console generation.
JordanN
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The fact that a console has to rely on a handheld to get games should be telling how embarrassing this situation is and I hope all those who defend this low spec route feel ashamed for what you're putting yourselves through.
There are no hurdles with powerful hardware that require secondary action. I don't know how many times I must repeat this.
True, but notice that those are all new games. No year old ports. Nintendo should take notes.
Wickerbasket
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Plus, most of those games are there in the first place because the previous game in the series was good enough to warrant a sequel..
There's nothing there for me yet, personally, but it's still a great launch lineup.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Are you talking about the poster or Mark Rein???
~comedic timing laugh, my cat in turn laughs~
Alcotholic
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I dont know when developers started acting so smug. Phil Fish is a prime example.
Guys, guys, remember this?
Unless it was made with tongue firmly in cheek, whoever made this failed to understand that Ruby Rhod is the butt of the joke in The Fifth Element. People either laugh at him (instead of with him) or cringe hard when they see him like Korben (Willis' character in that film) in that scene.
So to associate Wii U and Nintendo with him is well, kind of amusing and strangely fitting now.
Hot Coldman
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No, that's just Mark Rein
he's a bit of an ass, but it's clearly working out marvellously for him, so I can't hate him too much
megabytecr
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That is exactly why I own a wii u and a 3ds. Getting tired of the same violent games. I will not support ps4 or durango. Pc or steambox FTW!!
Well, my opinion is that a PSP port of SC4 was insane to begin with, especially with the PSP software sales situation being where it was when it came out, so I'm hardly invested in it. I just don't really see much rhyme or reason in the idea that the Wii was "punished" for being low spec, when certain companies had no problems dumbing them down even further for a lower spec machine.
Nintendo's going to have to find a way to fight for a market between the gamers who pay attention to this rhetoric and the gamers who are unwilling to spend $300 on a gaming device. I'm not worried about Nintendo's ability to remain profitable, they will find a way as long as their software remains at its current level of quality.
However, what I'm worried about is the continued marginalization of Nintendo fans in the gaming community. I am consistently amazed at gamers' ability to ridicule individuals or outright ignore their arguments because they enjoy their console of choice. I really hope people can gauge arguments and respond to them more coherently than:
If anyone is interested in what kind of discourse will become dominant in the next 5 years, here it is! We need to find new ways to discuss these topics.
However, what I'm worried about is the continued marginalization of Nintendo fans in the gaming community. I am consistently amazed at gamers' ability to ridicule individuals or outright ignore their arguments because they enjoy their console of choice. I really hope people can gauge arguments and respond to them more coherently than:
If anyone is interested in what kind of discourse will become dominant in the next 5 years, here it is! We need to find new ways to discuss these topics.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yeah, it's one thing when Kamiya is a "dick" to the public on Twitter but you would think those within an industry, while not ever needing to asskiss, would act with some decorum.
More and more, they seem to run their mouths and in the least, it's not good business-sense.
I genuinely had to take a moment to even know where to start with this post.
First of all, tell me how on earth a developer can port a game designed with UE4 using UE3 as easily as they could using UE4 itself?, you see you have no clue about games development. These engines are a set of tools that make porting a game to different platforms as easy as possible. Having UE4 on a system isn't all about whatever knew effect you can pull off, its also about having the same tools on the system you're porting to as the ones you had on the system you created your game on.
Secondly what logic are you referring to? To make this as easy to understand as possible, Mark Rein of Epic said that while they wouldn't port UE4 to WiiU another developer could port it if they wanted to, their words not mine.
Yes its very likely possible that UE4 could be ported to 360, not that its even relevant to whether its portable to WiiU since, get this, WiiU isn't an XBox 360!
Hot Coldman
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99.9% of the same violent games that will be released on PS4/Nextbox will have PC versions too
AZ Greg
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On the bright side, with regards to the WiiU, it'll probably be closer to 2 years than 5.
Pachterballs
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ITT ... butthurt nintendo fans.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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ITP... messageboard cliches.
You can't hate him because he's successful at being an ass? I find that strange, haha.
Should't we resent people even more for profiting on being "a bit of an ass"?
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