Raylan Targaryen
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How can someone's reading comprehension be this poor?
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Kotaku: YouTubers Say They Can't Make Money Covering Call of Duty: WWII
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How can someone's reading comprehension be this poor?
PdotMichael
Banned
Well, sucks for them when companies don't want to be associated with their content. I guess... I don't really care.
Being a youtuber is a real job.
Do you think all artists and actors are paid equally? The phrase "starving artist" exists for a reason. Unless you can convince someone to hand over money for your art it is, by definition, a hobby and not a profession.
That's a pretty shitty comparison. This is not about not being able to call people you work with cunt and meaning it to be offensive, this is about not being able to use, for example, swear words in your videos no matter the context. You could have an etymology channel and make a video featuring a perfectly factual and sober etymological analysis of English swear words and that'd still be picked up by the filters.
Ofcourse it is jealousy. Anyway, isn't Youtube beholden to the advertisers? People are saying that Youtube is fucking over their content creators but with doing that, aren't they fucking over themselves?
Not sure how Youtube is to blame here. It is un youtube best interest to get as much advertisers as possible because it benefits them also.
LordRaptor
Member
All jobs have codes of professional conduct set by the people who pay the wages that employees are expected to adhere to if they wish to remain employed.
An expectation that you can do what the fuck ever you want to and still get paid regardless is not the expectation of someone treating their own work as a job.
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If you work in an office with a no swearing policy, it doesn't matter if you're just repeating a Chris Rock routine, or if you are listing the number of times Shakespeare makes jokes about cunts as an etymological example of the word cunts long standing saxon traditions, you are going to get in trouble with HR.
If Youtube is a job and has a no swearing policy, then as part of your job you should try and restrain your language.
I'm not saying companies don't have the right to pull their revenue. I feel bad for the people who's income has been affected by this, yet aren't putting out hate speech or anything like that.
always crazy bacon
Banned
It's youtubers living with their parents claiming it's a real job and crying foul when the rules are changed that's this issue. I seriously doubt the majority of them make enough to support a real life unassisted.
MegaSackman
Member
I care, ACG is practically the only reviewer I trust these days, so... the only ones allowed to review games are IGN, Gamespot, and such? I mean, it's a different situation, I'm not saying they shouldn't do stuff of course, I'm saying that there was this opportunity to have some amazing content as ACG provides but now it's getting harder and harder to the point of being a total risk and unsustainable. Should ACG make a website hoping to have the same success as Giant Bomb? Well... good luck I guess.
Mechanized
Member
I think any relatively large youtubers should be considering patreon for their income right now. Start a mass exodus, put your shit on Twitch and flip double birds directly at YouTube.
Adam_Vania
Banned
youtube is one of the most revolutionary media platforms in human history imo. it is a global TV that is on-access and will allow more or less anyone to put something on there. if you want to do ambient conceptual videos 15 hours long, you can do that. it's amazing.
thing is, a lot of content is original. video game content is not that original. a musician, even if they are singing someone else's song, is still creating that work themselves. playing a videogame, you are playing a pre-made work. you didn't make the game, lots of designers and programmers sacrificing years to go work in a building every day did.
i would put most youtubers in the category of consumer reports, like the guys that review cars every year. yes maybe that guy has an amazing personal style and is entertaining, but they aren't creating anything. they are selling a product.
...I work a full time job and live with my family still. A lot of people do, even people with traditional 9-5 desk jobs.
always crazy bacon
Banned
who employed them and what are their credentials? Is a professional beggar a real job too?
The Albatross
Member
This is exactly how ad filters should work. Depictions of war in a videogame are still depictions of war. If you want to profit off of depictions of war, advertising may not be your most effective method. It may be inconvenient financially to a video maker that advertisers are not willing to pay you for commentary on depictions of war, but that's up to the advertisers to decide.
Other than in the case of these WWII videos, advertisers are employing them and their "credentials" are that they provide value to advertisers through their videos. But if you want to pretend to be the job police and determine what's a job and what isn't, good luck.
Other than in the case of these WWII videos, advertisers are employing them and their "credentials" are that they provide value to advertisers through their videos. But if you want to pretend to be the job police and determine what's a job and what isn't, good luck.
always crazy bacon
Banned
what's that got to do with youtube?
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I use "fuck" like a comma so that's just one more reason to not consider streaming as a career path.
You say it like living with family is an insult. People fall on hard times or have a hard time becoming independent, and sometimes family is all you have to fall back on.
You've never heard of self-employment?
Edit: also, many major YouTubers are part of companies or multi channel networks.
it's called self-employment
Self-employment is a real thing.
I feel like that's an exceedingly small group though. Most YouTubers aren't going to be able to do that. I would say YouTube probably accounts for more of the success of YouTubers than the YouTubers themselves, kind of like how people on ESPN are stars because of the ubiquity and clout of the platform. If they leave the platform, most people are just another name in the sea of endless people clamoring for attention.
Alebrije
Member
Think that since conservatives won the presidency and other branch of government the FOCUS of advertisers and companies is to show a more soft / decent image to consumers. They do not want to be related to a violent WW2 theme or something similar.
You tube is a monsters of topics/themes. Advertisers will find a way...
AcademicSaucer
Member
People will have to adapt or they will go under. That's a reality in every field of work, even more if you are tying all of your income to a corporation you have no control over.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
These threads really reveal how ignorant, blatantly short-sided, and uncompassionate the majority of GAF users really are.
That's exactly how it works with practically every other medium out there. Whether it's meant to be offensive or not, if an advertiser does not want to be associated with a channel that says "fuck" or "cunt" or whatever then it won't give them money through adverts. That etymology channel would have to find some other source of revenue if it wanted to make money off of that video. I agree that the American advertiser's attitude to swearing is way too strict, but that's not exactly an issue new to Youtube.
I used to think like most that's not a job or that's not work and then I tried to start doing it as a hobby. The hours spent on ideas, editing, equipment and the amount of time you need to dedicate to it to actually become profitable in any way is quite an undertaking. I can only imagine what people who do it more for financial gain put into it.
If you don't think so, start a channel and try it.
If you don't think so, start a channel and try it.
Never go into the threads about someone who's committed a crime. Human decency and empathy go right out the window.
Mechanized
Member
Care to provide some examples?
Because H3H3 and Boogie certainly don't live with their parents. To the topic at hand Drift0r is one of the bigger CoD youtubers and he has his own place and a fucking Tesla. YouTube is a real job if you make it one, real content takes time to create and subs, likes, views combined with ad revenue can result in a very comfortable living. When youtube doesn't protect the talent that drives people to YouTube, shit like this happens. And blaming people that saw a new career opportunity outside of traditional work is complete bullshit. It's pure and simple jealousy.
Of course, have you ever heard of the envy or resent of the 99% of people on earth that do not do what they enjoy for a living?
Exactly.
LordRaptor
Member
Sorry, if someone who ostensibly loves their job gets told they're not allowed to swear at work anymore or they lose earnings, its not 'blaming' them to point out that its not that fucking hard to not swear at work if you like your job and want to keep it and not lose earnings
Whats wrong with this one?
This.
Those fools going Nazi was a "Janet Jackson moment" for Youtube (which is ironic). Which has rippled throughout the entire platform. I feel for these guys but advertisers are fickle as fuck and Youtube will protect itself first over the channels.
A lot of people are just going to have to adjust and adapt. Just like every other person working a real job out there. =)
Moose Biscuits
It would be extreamly painful...
Again, no one is saying legit channels deserve this, but YouTube has a mountain of shit that it needs to get under control, again, KID FRIENDLY:
Majority of these are ad supported and have MILLIONS of views! What in the hell?
Would watch these
But honestly: these videos have as much right to make money as any other YouTuber.
foxdvd
Member
nothing..that looks like the greatest thing ever made
YouTube has far too much control over the lives of the people creating content. It has such a monopoly over videos its ridiculous. If only it didn't get such a head start, it would actually cater better towards its users in reaction to competition. Look how far Microsoft has been slapped down since the rise of Apple and Sonys console dominance.
You've got to be kidding me.
LordRaptor
Member
I can't say this as 100% verified truth, but I'm pretty sure as a 10 year old I probably had spiderman ride a T-rex too
Beginning of the end for YouTube unless they make the effort to create a sustainable model for content creators. I get that money may be flowing too freely prior to this, but that was by YT's own doing as well. You bite the hands that feed you and you're going to have a bad time.
ClosingADoor
Member
A bit more competition in the video space wouldn't be too bad. But that stuff is expensive. Google lost billions upon billions year after year on Youtube at first.
As for having too much control over creators. They signed up for a platform that gives them an audience, ads, tools, etc. There are simply downsides to handing over control so you can focus on creating content.
This one because it's just weird to think about. You have kids with ipads, watching videos of grown adult men playing with kids toys like they're kids and making silly baby sounds. Like, KIDS ARE WATCHING ADULT MEN PLAY WITH TOYS INSTEAD OF PLAYING WITH TOYS THEMSELVES. It's like that South Park episode.
But these people wouldn't be able to make a living, or a nice chunk of side cash, without YouTube being the behemoth it is. The only reason many of these people wound up with followings in the first place is the concentrated, overwhelming volume of traffic to YouTube. It's a double-edged sword.
Mechanized
Member
People are getting demonetized for covering a video game based on war. Thanks.
Also, lets say people are getting demonetized for vulgar language alone; this isn't year one. This isn't year two. Youtube started in 2005.
And this isn't a problem until now? Come on.
That's not even the big issue now, people can be flagged for "controversial", "political", "religious" and all kinds of bullshit, resulting in getting demonetized. It's not as simple as you make it out to be. If the answer was just "stop swearing" I don't think anyone would have a major problem. It would be fucking stupid, but people would adjust.
What? Pateron is the very definition of a 3rd party platform.
Moon_frogger
Member
Musicians and actors aren't beholden to a platform like YouTube which they have no control over. as a musician I won't be screwed if YouTube suddenly implodes or decides to keep 100 percent of the ad revenue. I'll find another way to use my skills to make money. Or I'll use my other skills, which I developed and honed because relying on playing guitar and singing for a living is a fucking terrible idea no matter how much I love it. YouTube isn't a job, video editing is. YouTube is a platform.
I guess I'm just old. I don't begrudge anybody for making money from YouTube. I'm an avid subscriber to many great channels that I don't pay a dime for. I just don't see how it's possible for YouTube to please advertisers AND reliably police the millions and millions of hours of content uploaded regularly. I don't see how that's sustainable and neither do the big youtubers, who've been expecting an impeding crash and planning accordingly by branching out into other platforms and interests, trying to get their subscribers to follow them on other social media platforms.
Shit i guess anyone that has ever founded a successful company doesn't have a real job either since nobody employed them.
Adam_Vania
Banned
the musician or actor creates the content they are presenting. the product is their performance. even if they are singing a cover song, it is still being created by them. the youtuber's product is largely a product someone else made.
Yeah I was gonna say, wouldn't advertisers want to be associated with on the biggest media properties of the past decade?