REDRZA MWS
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There only one Kraken...... he plays for the NY Yankees.
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Kraken Vs ZLIB: 29% Smaller Game Sizes Losslessly, 297% Faster Decompression on PS5
Bo_Hazem
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Definitely that. Seems like both would sustain enough space for the vast majority of gamers out there. And if you have a good, uncapped internet then you won't ever need an extra space.
ToadMan
Member
There only one Kraken...... he plays for the NY Yankees.
Unfortunately he got too efficient at compressing his batting average to increasingly small numbers ...
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yes it should be more utilized when we ditch last gen+HDD PC's. But in terms of size latest rumors suggest 27GB on PS5 and 35GB on XSX|S for RE:Village, with MS Store number being confirmed. So it's 28% bigger in size than PS5 if true.
With Control the Xbox SX|S was 68% bigger in size vs PS5 (42GB vs 25GB).
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Gamerguy84
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I was worried originally about games getting bigger. I always expand on storage space anyway so nothing new there.
It looks as if anything they'll be smaller because of compression tech and no copying of assets.
It looks as if anything they'll be smaller because of compression tech and no copying of assets.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yup, been using 2TB on base PS4 then transferred it to my PS4 Pro on 2016. I had shit internet (ADSL 16Mbps) so now with 200Mbps I really think I won't need much more than the base storage as I usually play the games at highest difficulty once then delete them if no DLC's coming.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
I’ve always liked the idea of an installed library but the reality is I’d never finish my games as I switch back and forth. Limited storage almost encourages me to complete my games to make way for newer ones.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It's actually cheaper to buy one game, finish it, then move to the other game. Some games could take more than one month, and at that time you might catch your next game on sale.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
What is happening with these Xbox large file sizes? Microsoft didn't market that their platform had a system to intelligently download only the files needed to each specific machine? What happened with that?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I think you could blame the unified GDK, makes 3rd party devs lazy as they use the same file for PC, XSX, and XSS instead of doing the extra work of separating each. Maybe we're too early into this gen, as XSX should at least be smaller than PC that mostly has HDD as the lowest requirement.
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rickybooby87
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- Hardware Accelerated Decompression: Game packages and assets are compressed to minimize download times and the amount of storage required for each individual game. With hardware accelerated support for both the industry standard LZ decompressor as well as a brand new, proprietary algorithm specifically designed for texture data named BCPack, Xbox Series X provides the best of both worlds for developers to achieve massive savings with no loss in quality or performance. As texture data comprises a significant portion of the total overall size of a game, having a purpose built algorithm optimized for texture data in addition to the general purpose LZ decompressor, both can be used in parallel to reduce the overall size of a game package. Assuming a 2:1 compression ratio, Xbox Series X delivers an effective 4.8 GB/s in I/O performance to the title, approximately 100x the I/O performance in current generation consoles. To deliver similar levels of decompression performance in software would require more than 4 Zen 2 CPU cores.
I am gonna say what happened is the HYPE train. Look at Control, 42% smaller. RE8, if true is looking to have similar results as far as storage is concerned. Which is incredible.
MasterCornholio
Member
These types of results do validate the claim that the PS5 handles compression better. Kraken and Oodles Textures are (on paper) more efficient than what Microsoft is using.
I'm not sure what's going to happen once the true next gen games start hitting. But it appears that the PS5 might end up being able to store more than the XSX due to compression.
It's not the end of the world for the XSX and I do believe they have enough storage. But it's still interesting to see these results.
rickybooby87
Member
Agreed, would be nice for games to just become smaller overall, as they've increased rapidly in size of the last few years due to higher quality assets, etc.
rickybooby87
Member
I have 2 TB in my Series X
Hopefully, whenever Sony gets around to unlocking the NVME slot I'll probably grab either a 2TB or a 4TB and be done with it lol.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
why worry about the ssd space , when the file compression is too good
rickybooby87
Member
why worry about the ssd space , when the file compression is too good
True! If the trend continues, that's 30%-40% more games on the SSD!
papersleeves
Member
Yup. This advantage is showing in my internal storage in both devices. My PS5 has more games installed than on my Series X yet it appears I have more spaces available. I don't have a mirror library mind you, so the games on my PS5 aren't exactly the same as what I have installed on the Series X. Feels more like a trend than proved data for my case anyway.
MasterCornholio
Member
I have 2 TB in my Series X
I'll be the same when it's available for the PS5.
FatKingBallman
Banned
Not only Control and RE8. Mortal Shell is also smaller on PS5. Although, game size is already small, on PS5 is barely 4 GB, on XSX is around 5.1 GB.
Also, worth mentioning. Valhalla is around 51 GB on XSX, while on PS5 is 41.8 GB, but with all patches till date, size of patches on XSX is 38.6 GB, while on PS5 is 18.1 GB
Anyway :
PS5 Die Shot has been revealed
Plus as a general rule, wouldn't geometry culling always be a bigger performance saver than a technique like VRS or even DLSS? Any idea on what specific things Sony could have theoretically changed in the Geometry Engine to squeeze out additional performance? As a general rule one can't say...
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Bo_Hazem
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Not only Control and RE8. Mortal Shell is also smaller on PS5. Although, game size is already small, on PS5 is barely 4 GB, on XSX is around 5.1 GB.
Also, worth mentioning. Valhalla is around 51 GB on XSX, while on PS5 is 41.8 GB, but with all patches till date, size of patches on XSX is 38.6 GB, while on PS5 is 18.1 GB
Anyway :
PS5 Die Shot has been revealed
Plus as a general rule, wouldn't geometry culling always be a bigger performance saver than a technique like VRS or even DLSS? Any idea on what specific things Sony could have theoretically changed in the Geometry Engine to squeeze out additional performance? As a general rule one can't say...www.neogaf.com
Those are amazing findings! Thanks for sharing! Didn't notices myself.
You should have compressed the pic and make it look all JPEGy for lulz.why worry about the ssd space , when the file compression is too good
REDRZA MWS
Member
My man went to work this off-season and took his lumps like a man. Went to the DR for winter ball, reworked his swing to make it more compact and direct to the ball. Peep it.Unfortunately he got too efficient at compressing his batting average to increasingly small numbers ...
FatKingBallman
Banned
Also Dirt 5. Dunno with patches now, but on PS5 game size is 46.5 GB, while for XSX is 72 GB, for XSS is 56 GB
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bender
What time is it?
There only one Kraken...... he plays for the NY Yankees.
Greg Hardy is the Kraken, not baseball man.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Wow, man, that last one is as big as the Control gap! It's all around but I wasn't paying attention. Thanks a lot! Share more findings if you know more.
REDRZA MWS
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of course games are smaller on series S. It doesn’t have 4K textures like the X does. That’s why it’s 299 bucks.
of course games are smaller on series S. It doesn’t have 4K textures like the X does. That’s why it’s 299 bucks.
PlayStaytion
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I bet less than 10 titles will fully utilize it through the end of generation.
MasterCornholio
Member
What do you mean by fully utilize it?
It's just a compression algorithm that's included with every dev kits. Many games are already using it.
REDRZA MWS
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Greg Hardy is a chick.
PlayStaytion
Member
It's obvious, to it's limit as cerny said before , around 22 gigs per sec.
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MasterCornholio
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But developers will still use the compression with most PS5 games. I don't see them going back to the old way of compressing games.
PlayStaytion
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It's a work in progress, they just achieved 17 gigs per sec , I didn't meant to downplay what they achieved already, I wanna see how it translate to real world performance, if anyone take it as it sounds then you'll see 50 halo and gow alike games which will never gonna happen cause games cost more to make.
MasterCornholio
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Developers will still use Kraken and Oodles Textures often since it's part of the developer kit. I know that most won't design their games to only be usable with the PS5s I/O but having everything highly compressed won't hurt the other platforms.
yewles1
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But didn't they promise the same assets at just a lower resolution?
bender
What time is it?
Sejan
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Pretty much every game is going to use it. It’s essentially free compression. Any other solution for compression would needlessly waste cpu clocks and memory. You can tell it’s already being used by looking at the size comparisons of games that have been posted here. PS5 games run considerably smaller than XBX and even smaller than XBS in some cases despite using higher fidelity textures.
I know right.. all the GB talk is for peasants ... here a couple more here a couple less.. slow news I guess.
That’s what lower than 4 k assets are .. lower resolution assets.
why this thread is still on ? I mean we have comparison in serveral videos and PS5 has slower loadings than Xbox:
REDRZA MWS
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Yeah, she ain’t my type. She ugly.You have odd tastes in ladies.
...but whatever floats your boat.
pasterpl
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Bo_Hazem
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So far Sony's 1st party are the obvious ones, UE5, and lately EA (probably Frostbite, but not sure to what extent). By 2024, most games will be built around data streaming that will give so much breathing room for GPU to push much higher fidelity instead of wasting it on traditional LOD's. Nvidia, AMD, and Microsoft (Xbox included) will have DirectStorage, so all will have something towards that goal, with Nvidia claiming 14GB/s that will need GPU compensation for it, but the 3080/3090 already have too much power to spare.
Bernd Lauert
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Same on PC, btw. So far all these cross-gen games have been simple ports from PC to Xbox. We have no clue how big the decompression potential is on Xbox because nobody is using it.
Shmunter
Member
It may be the same compression, just decompressed in hardware on XsX and Cpu on pc.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Because those old games and some more other games aren't coded to take full advantage of either. 1st party games so far are doing below 1sec up to 3-4sec max, and they look much more better than those games.
Should be good enough, but I don't think it'll compete well if it's still using ZLIB on Xbox, as devs will rather save money than license Oodle Kraken individually for their game on Xbox, while it's free + Oodle Texture on PS5/4.
M1chl
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Well, there is this issue of non-Smart Delivery games (which is easily verifiable, if someone have the game, if it's "gen9aware") which bundles both version of the game in one package (X1 and S|X), however even 28% is very nice (because audio files compression is efficient enough, that you can't really do much more with it). I would still like to be RE8 to be as long as possible tho, I am worried after R3make.
Bo_Hazem
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Overall both should have enough storage with future games. I still doubt that any off the shelf NVMe m.2 7GB/s will match PS5's internal custom 5.5GB/s SSD, even though that 7GB/s top tier NVMe m.2 SSD's are vastly better than Xbox cut-down (2x lanes instead of 4x) low budget (only 4 channel for around 16 chips!) SSD's. I think Sony should just release a 825GB extension, and they might do that but they avoided it now to avoid bad press.
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