KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR

Palocca said:
It's just a matter of industry standard vs. personal preference.

You should give Warm 2 a chance haha. I hated it at first, but you adjust and the image is so much easier on the eyes. I can't go back to cooler temperatures because they remind me of office lights.
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I gave it!
I spent two weeks with this TV trying all the possible settings while being totally open minded about all the settings.
I even tried Motion Plus and in the end deactived it because there was no way to get rid of visible artifacts no matter what :P
Warm2 to me is a pure yellow filter.
Warm1 maybe I might adapt like you say....but if in standard mode the white looks perfectly white to me so why shouldn't I use that setting?
Also is Samsung crazy to name Standard Standard and Warm2 Warm 2? :P
 
So is there a forum/site that has calibration pages for different TVs? I'm too poor to buy a KS8000 just yet, but I do own a UE40KU6000. It's a decent enough TV, I just want to make sure it's calibrated correctly before the 10th.
 
Elios83 said:
If it was as easy as that (only negatives) there would be no reason to implement the feature is all the TVs including high end models that should already have high contrast.
With dynamic contrast you get image contrast and vibrant colors that are not possible without it.
The range is dynamic and adapted continously over what is displayed so that the negatives you're talking about are absolutely minimized.
As I said IMHO HDR benefits a lot on this TV from activating dynamic contrast because HDR tends by itself to make colors less saturated.
Yesterday I tried Ratchet&Clank in HDR for example and without dynamic contrast colors were so desaturated that it lost the cartoony look.
But of course everyone has its own preferences, these things are very subjective, afterall color is perception and everyone should make a lot of trials by themselves to see with open mind what it looks best to them.
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I stand by what I said.

It's in every TV just like "vivid" mode is in every TV.

Dynamic contrast might give you a "punchier/more saturated" picture but it does crush black and clip whites.
You lose shadow details, color accuracy etc
In no way is it a correct image.

But, like you said, it's totally fine if people prefer using it (I'm not being sarcastic in any way)
 
MCD said:
My settings:

Game mode

Backlight 7 (depends on your room). Set this to max for HDR games.
Brightness 45
Contrast 85 (found 85 much better with dynamic contrast set to medium) but set it to 100 for HDR games
Color 50
Sharpness 15 (0 is better but some old games like Lost Odyssey got really soft)

Smart led high

Color native

Hdmi black level low (console set to standard)

Gamma -1. Set it to 0 for HDR games.

Dynamic constrast medium.

UHD color on.

Color tone warm 2.

This is ultimately my preference. Please adjust according to your set and eyes.
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If you want to see the colors as intended turn this to normal
 
so when switching between hdr and non-hdr, what is everyone adjusting - just the brightness/backlight, and leaving everything else the same? personally i am just adjusting the brightness by about 5, depending on the time of day (very bright room in the middle of the day)

everything else is set according to the rtings settings and it looks great in both

also i have this bias light:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01A9RN0UK/

which helps with corner bleed and eye strain
 
Doctre81 said:
If you want to see the colors as intended turn this to normal
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Yeah no. Warm 2 is industry standard.

Also surprised native is recommended at HDR. Are people here getting good results with that? Makes things look over saturated and I really only see rtings recommending that.
 
Elios83 said:
If it was as easy as that (only negatives) there would be no reason to implement the feature is all the TVs including high end models that should already have high contrast.
With dynamic contrast you get image contrast and vibrant colors that are not possible without it.
The range is dynamic and adapted continously over what is displayed so that the negatives you're talking about are absolutely minimized.
As I said IMHO HDR benefits a lot on this TV from activating dynamic contrast because HDR tends by itself to make colors less saturated.
Yesterday I tried Ratchet&Clank in HDR for example and without dynamic contrast colors were so desaturated that it lost the cartoony look.
But of course everyone has its own preferences, these things are very subjective, afterall color is perception and everyone should make a lot of trials by themselves to see with open mind what it looks best to them.
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Features like dynamic contrast are stupid marketing gimmicks. Period. There's a reason that every AV site on the internet tells you to turn those off. You feeling that your picture is muted could have a lot to do with you just being used to having all that BS turned on. Use your TV without it for 2 days and switch it on again. You might feel different. If you want stronger color just turn that color control up.
 
I may as well post this here as well, given this is a specific KS8000 thread.

According to RTings.com, the Samsung KS8000 is capable of 4K @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 chroma subsampling @ HDR results in 37.6 ms of input lag. Is this all achievable in game mode (which I assume must be on for the PS4 Pro)?

My next question, if the TV supports 120Hz refresh rate, I take it that its not capable with these modes enabled? Or does it not matter as games are 60fps and under on the PS4 Pro?
 
Someone should make a giant HDR TV thread that has settings for listed in the OP for all the major TV models.

Sony 800c/d
Sony 850c/d
Sony 930z
Sony z9d
LG b6/e6
Samsung KS8000
Vizio P

etc.
 
VertPin said:
I may as well post this here as well, given this is a specific KS8000 thread.

According to RTings.com, the Samsung KS8000 is capable of 4K @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 chroma subsampling @ HDR results in 37.6 ms of input lag. Is this all achievable in game mode (which I assume must be on for the PS4 Pro)?

My next question, if the TV supports 120Hz refresh rate, I take it that its not capable with these modes enabled? Or does it not matter as games are 60fps and under on the PS4 Pro?
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I think 120hz doesn't mean that you can feed it more than 60hz. It just doubles it internally to make the picture more stable and less straining (24hz will be quintupled).
 
Robot Pants said:
Someone should make a giant HDR TV thread that has settings for listed in the OP for all the major TV models.

Sony 800c/d
Sony 850c/d
Sony 930z
Sony z9d
LG b6/e6
Samsung KS8000
Vizio P

etc.
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Add the Samsung 6300/6290 this is the top mid range pick of rtings. Seems quite a few have it here.


I tried some of the suggestions here. I always had dynamic contrast on as that wa recommended by rtings. I turned this off in HDR mode and put the back light to 20. Also set colour temp to warm2. Wow. This looks so much better. Just played some gears 4. Now a bit of the forza horizon 3 demo. Will need to swap to my PS4 and try LoU and first light again. The picture actually seems clearer with dynamic contrast off also. Horizon 3 looks incredible.
 
This thread made me change the PS4 RGB Range to Full and the TV to "normal". I feel like everything is grayish now. I used to have TV on Low and PS4 on limited? Is this how it's supposed to look like?
 
Really want to pull the trigger on this TV. It's got an awesome price at the Best Buy near me too.

Is it worth it GAF? 4K HDR10 4:4:4 chroma subsampling at 60Hz (for games) with 37ms of input lag. Are these modes on game mode, or do I need to turn them on individually? Is it worth it, GAF?
 
Arlen777 said:
Can i use same settings for KU6300 samsung?
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Not necessarily. The KS8000 becauase of it's better blacks and wide color gamut and brightness levels, they wouldn't apply to your set. It would be no different than you using the settings of some random other set. Things like warm tones or neutral, contrast and whatnot could help you sort of know what to do with your own, but thats about it.
 
Arlen777 said:
Can i use same settings for KU6300 samsung?
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Outside or basic features being checked on or off, I'd strongly recommend if you don't have a calibration device you do a disk or app calibration instead of getting numbers and settings from someone else. Every TV's calibration and settings are going to be different depending on their lighting situation at any given time.

Use the THX tune up app and screen cast it.

Disney WOW disk.

Or free 709 space calibration patterns and such
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...mp4-calibration.html#/topics/948496?_k=24rj4m

This isn't specifically directed at you as I know your question didn't really reference this type of stuff, but a recommendation to people getting new TV's in general.
 
Arlen777 said:
Can i use same settings for KU6300 samsung?
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I am using similar settings. I found turning off dynamic contrast and upping the backlight to 20 is much better in HDR mode.

I am wondering if the back light setting in HDR should be separate from no HDR though? When I quit the HDR content my backlight stays at 20 which is too bright outside of HDR.
 
I just did some searching online about RGB Range.

Apparently, on Samsung TV's, hdmi black level on low is the one for deeper blacks. This means that PS4 on full should have the TV on low?

I experienced that everything was gray and washed out with Full and Normal.
 
Aztechnology said:
Outside or basic features being checked on or off, I'd strongly recommend if you don't have a calibration device you do a disk or app calibration instead of getting numbers and settings from someone else. Every TV's calibration and settings are going to be different depending on their lighting situation at any given time.

Use the THX tune up app and screen cast it.

Disney WOW disk.

Or free 709 space calibration patterns and such
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...mp4-calibration.html#/topics/948496?_k=24rj4m

This isn't specifically directed at you as I know your question didn't really reference this type of stuff, but a recommendation to people getting new TV's in general.
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I have the Disney WOW disc. I plan on trying tune my tv with it before I even try these reccomendations and than compare but I find it kind of hard to do it myself.

But yeah I agree. Always go for a more custom calibration.
 
inner-G said:
If you don't use dynamic contrast, HDR content looks gray and washed out (on my Samsung 6300 at least)
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6300 it's not a true HDR tv so it makes perfect sense it looks washed out. They are taking the color detail your tv can't display and compressing it into the color space your tv can making it muted. And dynamic contrast is doing the equivalent of converting it back to an SDR signal. It's complicated but understand your tv can only display the Rec 709 standard for colors and not rec 2020. You probably should just turn off HDR mode because SDR content will look better. You can't really calibrate your tv to show HDR correctly.
 
nikwhatsup said:
I just did some searching online about RGB Range.

Apparently, on Samsung TV's, hdmi black level on low is the one for deeper blacks. This means that PS4 on full should have the TV on low?

I experienced that everything was gray and washed out with Full and Normal.
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On samsung tvs low is limited range. You will get more blacks in your picture, but this is because things that should be dark grey are rendered as black.

The correct setting is tv normal, ps4 full. Not sure why yours looks washed out, maybe your just used to crushed blacks?
 
Arlen777 said:
Can i use same settings for KU6300 samsung?
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I used them on my UE40KU6000 and made a few tweaks here and there. I set the backlight to 18 and turned off dynamic contrast. Standard contrast is set to full, with brightness set to 35. Picture looks great but I think a few more tweaks are needed.
 
infinityBCRT said:
6300 it's not a true HDR tv so it makes perfect sense it looks washed out. They are taking the color detail your tv can't display and compressing it into the color space your tv can making it muted. And dynamic contrast is doing the equivalent of converting it back to an SDR signal. It's complicated but understand your tv can only display the Rec 709 standard for colors and not rec 2020. You probably should just turn off HDR mode because SDR content will look better. You can't really calibrate your tv to show HDR correctly.
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I disagree.

HDR looks better than SDR on this TV. It may not have the wide color gamut but it still looks great. The extra brightness of light sources and detail stand out quite bit.

I have found that turning off dynamic contrast and upping the back light to 20 works best for me in HDR mode.

Symphonia said:
I used them on my UE40KU6000 and made a few tweaks here and there. I set the backlight to 18 and turned off dynamic contrast. Standard contrast is set to full, with brightness set to 35. Picture looks great but I think a few more tweaks are needed.
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Does your backlight setting in HDR act independently from non HDR? On mine it does not appear to. Its kind of annoying to have to set it to 20, but then back down for non HDR as 20 is way to bright for normal content.
 
zedge said:
Does your backlight setting in HDR act independently from non HDR? On mine it does not appear to. Its kind of annoying to have to set it to 20, but then back down for non HDR as 20 is way to bright for normal content.
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I'm yet to actually try it with any 4K/HDR content, but the non-HDR content seems okay so far. Like I said, I'm going to spend a day or two tweaking the settings to get it just right.
 
zedge said:
I disagree.

HDR looks better than SDR on this TV. It may not have the wide color gamut but it still looks great. The extra brightness of light sources and detail stand out quite bit.

I have found that turning off dynamic contrast and upping the back light to 20 works best for me in HDR mode.



Does your backlight setting in HDR act independently from non HDR? On mine it does not appear to. Its kind of annoying to have to set it to 20, but then back down for non HDR as 20 is way to bright for normal content.
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I mentioned earlier but when game mode is engaged these 2016 Sammy tv's don't keep separate settings for HDR and non HDR. And game mode stays on for built in tv apps if you're on an input that has game mode enabled. So on my Xbox one s I find myself switching the backlight back and forth. But if I'm doing Netflix using the built in app I will switch to a non game input to avoid having to change backlight settings between HDR and non HDR
 
infinityBCRT said:
I mentioned earlier but when game mode is engaged these 2016 Sammy tv's don't keep separate settings for HDR and non HDR. And game mode stays on for built in tv apps if you're on an input that has game mode enabled. So on my Xbox one s I find myself switching the backlight back and forth. But if I'm doing Netflix using the built in app I will switch to a non game input to avoid having to change backlight settings between HDR and non HDR
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Thank you, sorry I missed this. I wonder if its a bug that can be fixed? Or is it normal?

Symphonia said:
I just did a non-HDR vs HDR test with the settings I have, and both look fine.
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Guess its a 'game mode' thing.
 
MazeHaze said:
On samsung tvs low is limited range. You will get more blacks in your picture, but this is because things that should be dark grey are rendered as black.

The correct setting is tv normal, ps4 full. Not sure why yours looks washed out, maybe your just used to crushed blacks?
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Hmm. I'm going to try the "correct" setting for a few days. I read something on AVFORUMS about this saying that limited is the way to go because of how the content is mastered visually. This is just so confusing.

I experienced a black loading screen as gray with Full and normal.
 
nikwhatsup said:
Hmm. I'm going to try the "correct" setting for a few days. I read something on AVFORUMS about this saying that limited is the way to go because of how the content is mastered visually. This is just so confusing.

I experienced a black loading screen as gray with Full and normal.
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I was looking at a black level test and couldn't tell the difference so I went with normal and full
 
rinse82 said:
This is just wrong
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Not really. Warm is recommended for movies not games. Both warm and neutral are ok but neutral will show you how the colors were meant to look. Unless I'm crazy. lol

Happy to be proven wrong if I am.


edit. I am seeing different opinions on this all over the net.

I'm gonna try the warm setting
 
Doctre81 said:
Not really. Warm is recommended for movies not games. Both warm and neutral are ok but neutral will show you how the colors were meant to look. Unless I'm crazy. lol

Happy to be proven wrong if I am.


edit. I am seeing different opinions on this all over the net.

I'm gonna try the warm setting
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Warm2 is usually the preset closest to 6500K
 
Warm2 is going to look yellowish to any eyes that are used to looking at cooler/blue tones, but as already mentioned it will get you closest to the D65 standard
 
rinse82 said:
Warm2 is going to look yellowish to any eyes that are used to looking at cooler/blue tones, but as already mentioned it will get you closest to the D65 standard
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I have a feeling it will look better once I'm used to it.

Do we have a consensus on full vs limited on RGB black levels for this tv?
 
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