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La La Land |OT| Not quite Mia tempo

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Sean C

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Isn't the jazz club part of Gosling's motive to help jazz stay relevant?

I think the criticism comes from the scene where Gosling explains to Emma Stone's character why jazz is great and the idea that it is dying, as well as Gosling showing disgust for John Legend's sequencer. It's not people mistaking the opening of one jazz club as saving the entirety of jazz.
The sort of classical jazz that Gosling's character prefers is definitely a niche product now, compared to its heyday.

People are conflating the POV of Gosling's character with the film's. The film never suggests that Legend's character and the music he makes is bad (among other things, it was one of the three they submitted for Oscar consideration, so clearly it's not supposed to be) -- it's just not the kind of music that Gosling wants to make. At the end of the movie, he's opened his club and found his niche.
 

shira

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I was thinking maybe there was a thing with him facing left or right while playing, but nope
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Because all he did was open a fuckin' jazz club. He didn't SAVE jazz. Black musicians like John Legend's character explicitly didnt need him and told him was a nostalgic elitist. BUT Ryan Gosling is white, so he cant play jazz because cultural appropriation something something. Like Bix Beiderbecke and the Boswells never existed.

Forreal it's getting pretty laughable how people can just asspull these issues out of nowhere.
 

MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
No way moonlight doesn't win best picture and director

This is the Academy "Ego-Stroke" Awards we're talking about. Let's not kid ourselves -- there should absolutely not be surprise if they decide to put La La up on their pedestal for, y'know, "reasons," and I say that despite my glowing feelings for the movie.

Speaking of which, just got back from seeing the film and I loved it. It was pulled off like a satisfying swan song to Hollywood musicals. It was the correct way of "homage" in every sense of the word, because it does more than that on a more meaningful level. What's brilliant about it was that at first it was pulling off that egregious nostalgia nonsense in the first 15 minutes of the film a la The Artist and I was practically pouting thinking "Gee, what a fucking surprise."

2 hours later, I had the widest grin on my face because it managed to subvert that entire business not just thematically through its characters but technically as well, all while pulling out all the stops. WIth the latter aspect, I don't mean just the production value that went into musical aspects -- there's an ingenious use of its stylistic and technical elements as the film progressed with its characters.

Basically, it's one of those few Hollywood films that makes me want to write an essay about it upon first watch.

That said, since we're on the topic, I reeeeallllly want to see Moonlight.
 

UberTag

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At very least I'd like to see The Witch get an acting or cinematography nod.

Green Room could use a screenwriting one. Possibly for The Witch as well. (Though Green Room was better.)
Someone is setting themselves up for disappointment. Like I'd love to see some noms for Hunt for the Wilderpeople and an Art Direction nom for A Monster Calls but I'm sure as hell not expecting it. Hell, I can see Isabelle Huppert getting snubbed of even a nomination for Elle.

Award season is always a mess of slights, studio politics and crap like Lion getting pushed just because it's under the Weinstein banner.

I love Moonlight but I don't think Jenkins deserves director over Chazelle. The musical sequences were so technically impressive. Give Moonlight Best Picture though.
In a perfect world, this would happen... along with Lonergan winning for Screenplay so each of the Big 3 could take home a major prize.
However, this is not a perfect world. Trump just got elected, after all.
 

cj_iwakura

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Someone is setting themselves up for disappointment. Like I'd love to see some noms for Hunt for the Wilderpeople and an Art Direction nom for A Monster Calls but I'm sure as hell not expecting it. Hell, I can see Isabelle Huppert getting snubbed of even a nomination for Elle.

Award season is always a mess of slights, studio politics and crap like Lion getting pushed just because it's under the Weinstein banner.


In a perfect world, this would happen... along with Lonergan winning for Screenplay so each of the Big 3 could take home a major prize.
However, this is not a perfect world. Trump just got elected, after all.
There's always a few surprises, especially in writing. Movies that get snubbed still manage writing nods, sometimes.
 

jorgejjvr

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Watching it again tonight!!! For the second time. Me and my wife already watched it, but now I'm bringing my brother and parents!

Should be fun, I don't normally watch a movie more than than once in theaters but this is worth watching again and sharing with others
 

LotusHD

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Just saying. You make a good movie about the adolescence of a black gay man, you better hope there isn't also a good movie about two white straight people falling in love in Hollywood or you're fucked

:(


Guess I need to see this sometime.
 

shira

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7 Golden Globe WINS
WIN Best Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy
WIN Damien Chazelle, Best Director - Motion Picture
WIN Damien Chazelle, Best Screenplay - Motion Picture
WIN Emma Stone, Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy
WIN Ryan Gosling, Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy
WIN Justin Hurwitz, Best Original Score - Motion Picture
WIN City Of Stars, Justin Hurwitz, Best Original Song - Motion Picture
 

TheFlow

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7 Golden Globe WINS
WIN Best Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy
WIN Damien Chazelle, Best Director - Motion Picture
WIN Damien Chazelle, Best Screenplay - Motion Picture

WIN Emma Stone, Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy
WIN Ryan Gosling, Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy
WIN Justin Hurwitz, Best Original Score - Motion Picture
WIN City Of Stars, Justin Hurwitz, Best Original Song - Motion Picture

the bolded should not have won.
 

Sean C

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the bolded should not have won.
I wouldn't have given it screenplay, myself, but it's really silly to say it wasn't a totally respectable winner in the director category. That movie has style to burn, and Chazelle put a ton into getting it made.
 

TheFlow

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I wouldn't have given it screenplay, myself, but it's really silly to say it wasn't a totally respectable winner in the director category. That movie has style to burn, and Chazelle put a ton into getting it made.

never said that.
 

Sean C

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Without a good script, a good movie can't happen.
I'd argue that isn't true (there are good movies with weak screenplays), but regardless, you can have a movie that has an adequate screenplay that's nevertheless not something you'd generally think of as awards-worthy in comparison to the competition.

And comparatively, I think Chazelle should have won Best Adapted Screenplay for Whiplash.
 

JTripper

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Super interesting to see what the Academy chooses: Moonlight, the socially conscious choice (not diminishing the fact that it's a beautiful movie too), or La La Land, the movie about movies.
 

Rainy

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TheFlow and robotrock aren't saying LLL is the spawn of the devil, just that it isn't the best movie of the year, we have opinions and all that, it's okay.
 

shira

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Super interesting to see what the Academy chooses: Moonlight, the socially conscious choice (not diminishing the fact that it's a beautiful movie too), or La La Land, the movie about movies.

According to a February 2012 study conducted by the Los Angeles Times (sampling over 5,000 of its 5,765 members), the Academy at that time was 94% white, 77% male, 86% age 50 or older, and had a median age of 62.

I mean those numbers have improved a bit but you can see how it's a serious uphill battle.

This is totally in their wheelhouse
 

jstevenson

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can't wait for the TheFlow to lose it when LLL sweeps the Oscars too.

(just kidding, love you dude, though LLL is destined to win due to Hollywood factor)
 

TheFlow

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can't wait for the TheFlow to lose it when LLL sweeps the Oscars too.

(just kidding, love you dude, though LLL is destined to win due to Hollywood factor)

lol! I will only lose it if it wins best picture or screenplay. I can live with Chazelle winning best Director because that took some work, plus Whiplash got robbed in 2015 so it is kinda revenge.
 

UberTag

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lol! I will only lose it if it wins best picture or screenplay. I can live with Chazelle winning best Director because that took some work, plus Whiplash got robbed in 2015 so it is kinda revenge.
Awards shows aren't worth losing it over. Just assume La La Land will sweep everything and look ahead to the GAF Movie of the Year awards and the 2017 Oscar race. This year is already done.
The Sundance Film Festival kicks off in 10 days. Should be a lot of great films getting screened for the first time there.
 

Chumley

Banned
can't wait for the TheFlow to lose it when LLL sweeps the Oscars too.

(just kidding, love you dude, though LLL is destined to win due to Hollywood factor)

You'd be right if OscarsSoWhite didn't happen last year. LLL will win won a ton but I highly doubt it takes screenplay, best director, best film, or any acting awards.
 

jstevenson

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You'd be right if OscarsSoWhite didn't happen last year. LLL will win won a ton but I highly doubt it takes screenplay, best director, best film, or any acting awards.

the academy is still so white, and still loves movies about Hollywood.

LA is gaga for LaLa
 

Ominym

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Overall, I rather liked it. I will say, however,
I was somewhat surprised by the fact that while the movie focuses on the clash of new and old methods in regard to music, they don't even remotely touch upon the idea in filmmaking. You'd think that for such a significant theme and parallel between the two character's career paths that it would've been touched upon more. Oh well.
 
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