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La La Land |OT| Not quite Mia tempo

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DrEvil

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Overall, I rather liked it. I will say, however,
I was somewhat surprised by the fact that while the movie focuses on the clash of new and old methods in regard to music, they don't even remotely touch upon the idea in filmmaking. You'd think that for such a significant theme and parallel between the two character's career paths that it would've been touched upon more. Oh well.



Uh, what? they use matte paintings and camera tricks with miniatures and cutouts, which is all classic film techniques. Not sure what you're getting at.

Have you never seen singin' in the rain? The post-party tap sequence is play by play classic musical.

Same with the scene in the observatory. Hell, they even recreate a shot from rebel without a cause.

This is all paralleled with it being set in modern day.. the opening two sequences are very 'modern' filmmaking, too. Large crane shots, elaborate scene changes, etc.


Any song/dance number that involved the two of them together was very 'classic hollywood', and any solo number was more modern stylistically. Keep an eye out for that on your next rewatch.
 

Ominym

Banned
Uh, what? they use matte paintings and camera tricks with miniatures and cutouts, which is all classic film techniques. Not sure what you're getting at.

Have you never seen singin' in the rain? The post-party tap sequence is play by play classic musical.

Same with the scene in the observatory. Hell, they even recreate a shot from rebel without a cause.

This is all paralleled with it being set in modern day.. the opening two sequences are very 'modern' filmmaking, too. Large crane shots, elaborate scene changes, etc.

I understand that those are classical techniques for filmmaking, I am talking about filmmaking thematically in the movie. Not the way the movie was actually shot.

To reframe it, it comes off as odd to see them make a point about how the
electronic/dubstep components were required to save Jazz in the modern day and age which clashes with the idealistic view Gosling had of the genre. However, when we see filmmaking practiced in the movie they're still sticking to older, classic methods. Where are the green screens to act as the parallel between the dubstep for Jazz? The only touches of age we see on film is the bit about the older theater going out of business, really. The fact that both industries have seen such significant changes to how they've progressed could've been a great point mutual exploration for the characters but we end up just seeing it playing a role in Jazz all the while an idyllic industry of film remains.
 

UberTag

Member
They're not going to just ignore the outrage from last year. Not happening. Especially now that Trump has been elected.
The Academy consists of probably the only people in California to vote for Trump.

They'll consider it enough that Moonlight gets a bunch of nominations and they may even vote for Davis and Ali to win supporting acting awards that La La Land isn't in contention for. That will be their "make good" for OscarsSoWhite and they can go back to their racist, intolerant ways next year.
 
If you didn't like Gosling and Stone singing talent

[cringe] Jimmy Fallon's Cold Open
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yikes
 
7 Golden Globe WINS
WIN Best Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy
WIN Damien Chazelle, Best Director - Motion Picture
WIN Damien Chazelle, Best Screenplay - Motion Picture
WIN Emma Stone, Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy
WIN Ryan Gosling, Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy
WIN Justin Hurwitz, Best Original Score - Motion Picture
WIN City Of Stars, Justin Hurwitz, Best Original Song - Motion Picture

Well deserved. Best movie of 2016.
 

Futureman

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Man this movie is sooo good. Even though the ending is somewhat sad the whole film just makes me smile thinking about it.

LOL @ people in here saying it's not a good musical because we won't remember any of the songs a year from now. Speak for yourself. I don't feel that way at all. I'm mildly obsessed w/ the OST right now and I don't think I've ever listened to an OST on Spotify before.

I always feel weird saying "Hell yea it deserved those awards!" as I barely see any new movies in a given year, but I'm happy it cleaned up at the Golden Globes.
 

TheFlow

Banned
Awards shows aren't worth losing it over. Just assume La La Land will sweep everything and look ahead to the GAF Movie of the Year awards and the 2017 Oscar race. This year is already done.
The Sundance Film Festival kicks off in 10 days. Should be a lot of great films getting screened for the first time there.

oh snap forgot about sundance.


Man this movie is sooo good. Even though the ending is somewhat sad the whole film just makes me smile thinking about it.

LOL @ people in here saying it's not a good musical because we won't remember any of the songs a year from now. Speak for yourself. I don't feel that way at all. I'm mildly obsessed w/ the OST right now and I don't think I've ever listened to an OST on Spotify before.

I always feel weird saying "Hell yea it deserved those awards!" as I barely see any new movies in a given year, but I'm happy it cleaned up at the Golden Globes.
I said more than just that as to why the musical numbers are weak sauce but if you could see that then scroll back a page more.

Well deserved. Best movie of 2016.
you watched moonlight and manchester right?
 

Sean C

Member
They're not going to just ignore the outrage from last year. Not happening. Especially now that Trump has been elected.
The outrage last year was about a lack of nominees in the acting categories (and, to a lesser extent, the directing, etc.). This year will have numerous such nominees, and probably 2 of the 4 acting winners being black, as well as a probable black winner for Best Adapted Screenplay, etc. They aren't going to give Moonlight the Best Picture Oscar solely because of #OscarSoWhite (particularly since much of the Academy membership resented that criticism anyway).

The Academy consists of probably the only people in California to vote for Trump.
The Academy as a group is limousine liberal all the way (there are, of course, conservative members too, but I'm speaking as a collective).
 

DrEvil

not a medical professional
I understand that those are classical techniques for filmmaking, I am talking about filmmaking thematically in the movie. Not the way the movie was actually shot.

To reframe it, it comes off as odd to see them make a point about how the
electronic/dubstep components were required to save Jazz in the modern day and age which clashes with the idealistic view Gosling had of the genre. However, when we see filmmaking practiced in the movie they're still sticking to older, classic methods. Where are the green screens to act as the parallel between the dubstep for Jazz? The only touches of age we see on film is the bit about the older theater going out of business, really. The fact that both industries have seen such significant changes to how they've progressed could've been a great point mutual exploration for the characters but we end up just seeing it playing a role in Jazz all the while an idyllic industry of film remains.


The observatory / dancing in the stars is pure greenscreen.
 

WriterGK

Member
Moonlight doesn't come out here untill the 26th I think but even from the trailer I could already see atleast one of them should get an oscar....

But besides that. I really loved La La Land. Thought it was going to be musical for like 90 minutes or more but thank fully that wasn't the case. The story is excellent as well and the shots are amazing.
 

rekameohs

Banned
Man this movie is sooo good. Even though the ending is somewhat sad the whole film just makes me smile thinking about it.

LOL @ people in here saying it's not a good musical because we won't remember any of the songs a year from now. Speak for yourself. I don't feel that way at all. I'm mildly obsessed w/ the OST right now and I don't think I've ever listened to an OST on Spotify before.

I always feel weird saying "Hell yea it deserved those awards!" as I barely see any new movies in a given year, but I'm happy it cleaned up at the Golden Globes.
The movie's far better than just a standard "ear worm" type musical as well; there's plenty more going on than musical numbers. Performances, shot composition, use of score, etc.
 

hampig

Member
Didn't expect to like La La Land as much as I did, but it blew me away. Excellent followup to Whiplash, Damien Chazelle is one of those directors whose movies I'll see regardless of first impressions.

Can I just mention my love of the ending specifically?
The flashback to Sebastian and Mia first encountering each other at the Christmas dinner and embracing instead of him pushing her aside was so powerful for me. From that moment until the end I was fighting off tears.
So damn good, I can't wait to watch it again.
 

Ohwiseone

Member
Starting to find out that the IMAX run of LA LA Land probably won't be playing here, and that makes me sad.


I love Star Wars, but I wish they would leave for a week so I can see this. I feel the "Cinema-Scope" would look amazing on an IMAX screen.
 

mcfrank

Member
Starting to find out that the IMAX run of LA LA Land probably won't be playing here, and that makes me sad.


I love Star Wars, but I feel the "Cinema-Scope" would look amazing on an IMAX screen.

I saw it at the CinemaScope dome at Arclight Hollywood. Was amazing.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
If you've ever listened to the podcast Song Exploder, they did a special with Hurwitz about some of the music in this film.

A few notes:
-The Audition was Emma Stone singing on set, not studio overplay.
-When she was singing, he was playing the piano and improvising to how she sang the song. Noted that the piano was behind the song by just a touch in some of the bits because of it.
-They later went back and added in the rest of the orchestra to follow what he was initially improvising on set with just the piano
-Made a note that it was done purposely as a somewhat 'meta' send up of the whole jazz theme-- people clashing while trying to create and hoping they can just work off of each other.

Just made me really appreciate this movie even more.
 

Ohwiseone

Member
I saw it at the CinemaScope dome at Arclight Hollywood. Was amazing.

I'm still pissed that my screening, They kept the lights on for the first 2 minutes, and had the sound turned down, so I missed half of the opening of "Another day in the sun".

Then when it settled in I kept saying "I need to see this in a bigger screen"
 

shira

Member
If you've ever listened to the podcast Song Exploder, they did a special with Hurwitz about some of the music in this film.

A few notes:
-The Audition was Emma Stone singing on set, not studio overplay.
-When she was singing, he was playing the piano and improvising to how she sang the song. Noted that the piano was behind the song by just a touch in some of the bits because of it.
-They later went back and added in the rest of the orchestra to follow what he was initially improvising on set with just the piano
-Made a note that it was done purposely as a somewhat 'meta' send up of the whole jazz theme-- people clashing while trying to create and hoping they can just work off of each other.

Just made me really appreciate this movie even more.

Who is he? Hurwitz? Kerber? Gosling?
 

kingocfs

Member
I did enjoy Sing Street. I still prefer LLL. Sing Street isn't really a musical tho so it's two different categories.

I also enjoyed Sing Street, but yeah. If that's a musical then The Commitments would also have to be a musical, which it's not.
 

Ominym

Banned
The observatory / dancing in the stars is pure greenscreen.

You don't seem to be getting what I'm saying here. I am not, in any way whatsoever, talking about how the film La La Land was actually shot as a film made in the real world.

I am talking about how filmmaking, as an industry, and thematically, is portrayed in this film. How in the world of La La Land it is showcased.

I honestly don't know how to make it anymore clear to you than that.
 

Moonkid

Member
Loved the film but man, I would have preferred others filling in the lead role. I'm sure it's been a common critique in this OT but the singing from the two leads was not up to par with the rest of the movie.
 

shira

Member
Loved the film but man, I would have preferred others filling in the lead role. I'm sure it's been a common critique in this OT but the singing from the two leads was not up to par with the rest of the movie.

I'm not even sure 20-40 year olds who could have subbed in for Gosling since it was a package deal with Emma Stone.

NPH, JGL, Justin Timberlake, Bieber?

If they were open to African-American leads then it could've been fucking amazing.

Someone like Usher or Drake
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DrEvil

not a medical professional
You don't seem to be getting what I'm saying here. I am not, in any way whatsoever, talking about how the film La La Land was actually shot as a film made in the real world.

I am talking about how filmmaking, as an industry, and thematically, is portrayed in this film. How in the world of La La Land it is showcased.

I honestly don't know how to make it anymore clear to you than that.

You basically wanted to see a literal green screen as they walked through the WB lot?
 

shira

Member
You don't seem to be getting what I'm saying here. I am not, in any way whatsoever, talking about how the film La La Land was actually shot as a film made in the real world.

I am talking about how filmmaking, as an industry, and thematically, is portrayed in this film. How in the world of La La Land it is showcased.

I honestly don't know how to make it anymore clear to you than that.

yeah idk what you talking about
 

Moonkid

Member
Ominym is talking about the film narrative, i.e. what do the filmmakers have to say about filmmaking and contemporary Hollywood like the way they briefly discussed traditional jazz v the future.
Gosling best singing role was in Blue Valentine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANbkNhU4VSY
I'll watch it alongside the movie when I do, hear it's quite a heartbreaker.
His bad voice was part of the charm for me
Same. Made it feel more human to me. His talent is piano, not singing.

Glad they didn't try to autotune it like Emma Watson in Beauty and the Beast.
To each to their own I guess. The charm was still there for me but better singing is preferable to what we got.
I'm not even sure 20-40 year olds who could have subbed in for Gosling since it was a package deal with Emma Stone.

NPH, JGL, Justin Timberlake, Bieber?

If they were open to African-American leads then it could've been fucking amazing.

Someone like Usher or Drake
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Didn't know it was a package deal. Star power aside I'm sure there's plenty of unknowns that act just as competently and sing/dance better waiting for their big break.
 

shira

Member
Didn't know it was a package deal. Star power aside I'm sure there's plenty of unknowns that act just as competently and sing/dance better waiting for their big break.

I mean it's obvious they went with Ryan and Emma since they were so comfortable with each other. There's advantages to having done 3 movies together.
 

Moonkid

Member
I mean it's obvious they went with Ryan and Emma since they were so comfortable with each other. There's advantages to having done 3 movies together.
Didn't know that either! Still think the movie would enjoy a net benefit if the lead roles were better singers. I'll agree these advantages manifested into a solid romantic story but at no point did I think the film absolutely needed these particular two.
 

Ominym

Banned
You basically wanted to see a literal green screen as they walked through the WB lot?

Yes, in a way. Doesn't even have to be that specific in particular as I was just naming an example, but it just seemed odd to me that they talk explicitly about the clash of the new and old in regard to music production, but filmmaking still seems to live in an idealistic, classic, yet-untouched by modernization world in comparison.

To further elaborate, I'm not just asking for green screens on the WB lot. I'm pointing out that it seems odd to have characters in the movie who literally talk about how modernization is required to save a medium (Jazz), but filmmaking, a field which also has presumably seen modernization in La La Land's world, seems to be untouched by its effects. In fact, if anything, most of the limited instances we get to see filmmaking in the movie appear unusually classic given the assumed current timeframe. Not even limited to the WB lot, it seems odd that a conversation between the characters one of whom struggles with the shift in Jazz production as a purist and the other of whom is noted to have gotten her inspiration to become an actor based on older movies, never takes place.
 

Isotropy

Member
Is it just me or did this film forget it was a musical after the first two numbers?

Those first two songs were wonderful, and then it turned into a romcom with the occasional musical montage. Hardly any singing or dancing, just a flood of movie references.

Pretty good movie, coulda been a lot better.
 
Didn't know that either! Still think the movie would enjoy a net benefit if the lead roles were better singers. I'll agree these advantages manifested into a solid romantic story but at no point did I think the film absolutely needed these particular two.

I think that a song at some point made a point about "how imperfect we are" or something along that line. It's dedicated to all the dreamers and not to the ones that are perfect, which is quite a different category.

Is it just me or did this film forget it was a musical after the first two numbers?

Those first two songs were wonderful, and then it turned into a romcom with the occasional musical montage. Hardly any singing or dancing, just a flood of movie references.

Pretty good movie, coulda been a lot better.

Well, my take is that it refines the old-school musical in something new that can be successful in it's own right, like a "new" film category. It's something like the iPhone did 10 years ago. Nothing exceptionally new just well put together in a new cohesive form that creates a different category.
This is why I think LLL deserves the Oscar. Not because of the throwbacks to the Hollywood's factory of dreams, or because of the cinematography, or the songs; they are all good or very good but so are other movies. It's because putting all these together they've elevated the genre into something "new" (or rather different), you can't compare it to anything out at this moment.
Oh and the script is truly exceptional, there are so many parallel things/planes going on at once and converging at the same time as a cohesive piece that's quite a feat. The opening sequence is text-book musical but it's filmed in a modern way, long take with the camera going about through it all; than there's the old-new music clash. Then their romantic vs achievement plan, and so on.

The movie didn't set up to be perfect, just like the dreamers, however it did achieve something different and successful in its own right.
 
Is it just me or did this film forget it was a musical after the first two numbers?

Those first two songs were wonderful, and then it turned into a romcom with the occasional musical montage. Hardly any singing or dancing, just a flood of movie references.

Pretty good movie, coulda been a lot better.

It was a musical through and through though. Not all musicals have huge numbers. Many Disney movies are musicals if you think about it where it's: plot, musical number, plot, etc. much like LLL.
 

Isotropy

Member
It was a musical through and through though. Not all musicals have huge numbers. Many Disney movies are musicals if you think about it where it's: plot, musical number, plot, etc. much like LLL.

Well, yeah, I agree that plenty of Disney movies are musicals.

What I'm saying is that this one established a firm identity for itself in its first fifteen minutes as a musical, and then very sharply charged direction. From my perspective, it wasn't a change for the better. If it was some kind of deliberate subversion, I guess it just didn't work for me. It just felt like a by-the-numbers rom-com/drama, and some more big numbers would have made it stand out from that crowd.
 

jstevenson

Sailor Stevenson
Well, yeah, I agree that plenty of Disney movies are musicals.

What I'm saying is that this one established a firm identity for itself in its first fifteen minutes as a musical, and then very sharply charged direction. From my perspective, it wasn't a change for the better. If it was some kind of deliberate subversion, I guess it just didn't work for me. It just felt like a by-the-numbers rom-com/drama, and some more big numbers would have made it stand out from that crowd.

Frozen certainly is a musical.
 

Moonkid

Member
I think that a song at some point made a point about "how imperfect we are" or something along that line. It's dedicated to all the dreamers and not to the ones that are perfect, which is quite a different category.
I don't quite buy that given that these characters are played by 'perfect' looking Hollywood stars. The singing is a blemish on an otherwise good set of performances and I don't find reasons to rationalise the quality of it compelling. Ultimately, better singing would have made this a more enjoyable film for me.
 

shira

Member
Time to sweep the BAFTAs?

11 Nominations

BEST FILM
LA LA LAND Fred Berger, Jordan Horowitz, Marc Platt
DIRECTOR
LA LA LAND Damien Chazelle
ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
LA LA LAND Damien Chazelle
LEADING ACTOR
RYAN GOSLING La La Land
LEADING ACTRESS
EMMA STONE La La Land
ORIGINAL MUSIC
LA LA LAND Justin Hurwitz
CINEMATOGRAPHY
LA LA LAND Linus Sandgren
EDITING
LA LA LAND Tom Cross
PRODUCTION DESIGN
LA LA LAND Sandy Reynolds-Wasco, David Wasco
COSTUME DESIGN
LA LA LAND Mary Zophres
SOUND
LA LA LAND Mildred Iatrou Morgan, Ai-Ling Lee, Steve A. Morrow, Andy Nelson
 
I don't quite buy that given that these characters are played by 'perfect' looking Hollywood stars. The singing is a blemish on an otherwise good set of performances and I don't find reasons to rationalise the quality of it compelling. Ultimately, better singing would have made this a more enjoyable film for me.

the not perfect singing actually made it better for me. more real.
 
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