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Larry Wachowski publicly debuts as... Lana Wachowski

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Snowman Prophet of Doom

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I'll say that, from what I've read in recent years, the most recent male -> female surgeries can create vaginas that are pretty much indistinguishable from the real thing, including being self-lubricating and smelling normal and all that. I know that I've seen pictures, and based solely on appearance, that seems to be accurate. I'd guess that they're not as functional as vaginas in the orgasm department, unless they somehow transplant the prostate (the male g-spot) to the interior of the vagina, but hey, ANY sexual functioning is pretty amazing to me.
 
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LAUGHTREY said:
It's only a little hole in his hands and feet, a piercing at best. Why not just let him believe he's Jesus and everyone is happy when he can prove to everyone he's been stigmatized.

You'd be the only one, that's for sure.

I really don't. That's the point. Who decided one self image is valid and one isn't? What if someone didn't like how tall they were and they wanted to be a foot shorter. What if someone from the day they were born felt they should've been a mermaid and wanted their fingers and toes webbed together?

I can't even think of an example where someone wouldn't say "Oh now you're just being ridiculous." but that's how I feel about gender re-assignment surgery. Changing yourself so drastically because of how you feel with no way to go back. What kind of mental evaluations does someone go through before getting the surgery? Again, what kind of doctor will take healthy organs and change them so drastically for the sake of mental health?

This is my last post on this subject for sure. I expected some sort of backlash but nothing like the one I got. I don't know anything about the subject, I think people should be able to do what they want if they are legitimately of sound mind. I was willing to talk about it and educate myself but I guess there's no place for that here. I don't agree; therefor I'm a. hateful bigot.
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1) He could do that on his own, and piercings are fine. So long as it doesn't mess up health, it's a go.
2) Mermaids don't exist, so that wouldn't happen. But the person decides whether or not their self-image matches who they are.
3) The organs aren't becoming damaged, just changed, and mental health is VERY important.
4) Don't go :(
 
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Sibylus

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LAUGHTREY said:
You'd be the only one, that's for sure.
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I was, and still am, but thus far you've given the impression that you're more interested in throwing out controversial bait and enticing outrage than in actual dialogue. Does it vex you so to pose a simple question instead of engaging with the trans people on this forum as you would the mentally insane? Can't exactly make them all that willing to discuss these things with ya.
 
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lexi

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Oxigen_Waste said:
You have to be allowed to do it? Huh... didn't know that.
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That's odd... I might have thought someone who's read all these studies and seen a few documentaries might know about the multiple requirements that must be fulfilled before you can even think about getting GRS.
 
Laughing Banana

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The Wachowskis will forever be doomed to be connected to the Matrix, aren't they.

If Lana is feeling content with who she is right now, then good for her I guess.
 
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Vermillion

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lexi said:
That's odd... I might have thought someone who's read all these studies and seen a few documentaries might know about the multiple requirements that must be fulfilled before you can even think about getting GRS.
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Come now, no need to mock him. I imagine that what he's seen focused on the biological side over procedure.
 
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Laughing Banana said:
The Wachowskis will forever be doomed to be connected to the Matrix, aren't they.

If Lana is feeling content with who she is right now, then good for her I guess.
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There are worse legacies to be stuck with.

I'm happy for her. It's strange going back to the special features stuff on the Matrix trilogy discs though and hearing Larry's voice though.
 
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lexi

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I don't think Oxigen_Waste posted anything particularly ban worthy. I fundamentally disagree with him on many levels, but I certainly wasn't offended by anything he said.
 
Laughing Banana

Laughing Banana

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I am surprised the dude got banned... I think he was being okay in his last posts... Maybe the "shallow" remark that did him in? But he did acknowledge that he was mistaken about it.

...Eh, I've been warned before that I shouldn't discuss GAF's moderation policy in the open so ah... alright.

WonkersTHEWatilla said:
There are worse legacies to be stuck with.

I'm happy for her. It's strange going back to the special features stuff on the Matrix trilogy discs though and hearing Larry's voice though.
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Yeah, I suppose. The Matrix was an entertaining trilogy at least.
 
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Well he did seem to be blatantly ignoring the experiences of trans women in this thread (and the experiences of close friends of posters in this thread) to keep repeating the same things over and over. Eventually he wasn't really engaging in conversation anymore.
 
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thatbox

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Frankly, I don't think you're engaging sincerely. You've said that trans people are simply "pretending" to be their identified gender, and that's pretty hateful. You've claimed that surgeries make trans people less "functional" when all research points to the exact opposite. You've claimed that trans people are just "shallow" and need to learn to be less superficial, which is like telling a depressed person they just need to be more optimistic, or telling someone with the flu they just need to stop coughing. You've called being trans a psychological issue rather than a physical one, when the medical community explicitly states the opposite. You have a completely incorrect (yet bizarrely unwavering) conception of what trans women's genitals are like - their vaginas can feel the same, their vaginas can react to stimulation, their vaginas can give them enormous pleasure (the opposite of "little, if any"). You dismiss them insultingly as "flesh holes" - not that it's any of your business, anyway, since trans women don't have surgery to meet your insane, arbitrary ideals. You've said you'd rather have "bum fun" with trans women (how generous of you) based on these baseless presumptions, and you imply that they would have sex with you primarily to "feel like a woman." You've claimed that trans people who pursue HRT and surgery are "dysfunctional," and refuse to acknowledge that their body not matching their concept of themselves prevents them from fully being themselves, which almost seems like questioning a tautology.

But fine. I'll address your points, although I honestly think you should only be lurking this thread rather than posting in it.

Oxigen_Waste said:
I don't think it's part of who I am at all. It transports me around, but that's about it. It's part of how I experience the world, I agree. How exactly does that make it any different than any other vessel?
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You don't think it's part of who you are because it agrees with who you are, obviously. Some people don't have the luxury of such apathetic harmony.

I'm not ignoring anyone. Read closely and you'll see. I've addressed that particular point several times. It's a fact that it results in a loss of sensitivity. Which or course means nothing when it comes to pleasure, being that it's a subjective entity. Go read my posts.
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I really enjoy the unlikelihood of claiming that you've read more on this subject than the trans woman (trans women, really) that you're talking to, who in addition to your prurient internet research have direct personal and interpersonal experience with the exact matter at hand.

Well, I've watched a few documentaries on the subject and they said different. Mainly, they only have 1 type of orgasm as opposed to 3. No endometrium (which accounts for the whole "feels different" thing) and being that it isn't a self regulatory entity it smells and tastes completely different. Lack of fluids and the fact that it's much less deep kinda make that one a no brainer, though.
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One type of orgasm as opposed to three? What the fuck is that nonsense? How many do you have? Endometrium? I hate to break it to you, but your penis never makes it that far up. Tons of cis women need lube to have sex, and tons of cis women have vaginas that aren't as deep as whatever arbitrary length you deem to be appropriate.

I claim that extensive well informed studies on the matter are more trustworthy than your friend. But do correct me, this isn't bickering, I'm here to learn.
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You've been so well read in trans medical literature up to this point that I'm sure you're an expert here. I'll take you at your word for it over lexi's! (Hint: I won't.)

Actually, the smell comes from the combo of hormones, muccus, urine and the endometrium. Of which trans only have 2. They do have a smell, it's the "just showered" smell, which most actually preffer. But hey, the only point is that it isn't the same.
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Once again, you're uneducated on various surgical procedures. Furthermore, I'd love to have you do a blind smell test of forty vaginas. (Not just to prove to you that you have no idea what you're talking about, but also because I think you deserve it.)

Whoa, I never said trans people were mentally ill... oO I said not acting how you want to act is clearly a psychological issue and not a pyshical one. You cant act anyway you want and that's nobody's business. If you have any sort of issue with that, that's your own psychological limitation, be it because of shame or because you feel obligated to stick to a certain behaviour pattern, there's nothing physical about it. It takes bravery, though, of course.
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Trans people aren't mentally ill, they just have psychological issues? Once again, the medical establishment disagrees.

I agree. :) Hell, my whole point started there... I think changing genitals is kinda useless as it doesn't really matter and in my opinion does more harm than good. I'm all for the LGBT movement.
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What you "think" is empirically, demonstrably wrong. Surgery is a prescribed treatment for gender dysphoria. So while I'm sure trans people appreciate your knowing what's best and looking out for them, do us all a favor and don't.

Dysphoria only does if you obsess over your toolbelt, in my opinion. As long as you can be wih the ones you love, why should it matter what you're packing?
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Dysphoria only matters if you obsess over it, in your opinion? Why does your opinion hold any water? We have actual trans people in this thread, who have actual gender dysphoria, telling you how it actually is, and you prefer your imaginary dysphoria that you handle easily and have no trouble with? Tell us, how would Oxigen_Waste handle schizophrenia? If you arthritis, would you just deal with it on your own since it isn't a big deal? If Oxigen_Waste had erectile dysfunction, would he conquer it with mind over matter?

Of course it's very similar. In their heads. Like he says.
Let's step out of their biased little personas for a second... a motor incapacity prevents you from taking part in hundreds of activities. A psychological need for comfort only prevents you from enjoying that which you let it. Don't you even dare compare the actual burden of losing a limb to the necessity of feeling comfortable.
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Trans people are caught up in their "biased little personas?" Really? You seem to be dismissing the entirety of the DSM out of hand, which is tacitly absurd. I don't think I need to address this further, since presumably the population of people who acknowledge and are ready to defend the fact that mental problems are real problems is fairly large.

Smal disclaimer, since some people who got into this halfway seem to think I'm against the transgendered... I have absolutely nothing against transgendered people or gay people or anyone, really... I'm merely discussing on wether or not it is actually worthy to have a sex change... the actual sexual reassignment part.
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You don't get a say in whether anyone is "worthy" of a reassignment operation, thankfully. Medical professionals do, and can sign off on them without reservations. You may have nothing against trans people, but I feel that I can confidently state on their behalf that you should go fuck yourself.

Edit: Goddammit, who got him banned before I could eviscerate him? I spent way too much time on this. I was right though - he should have been lurking this thread instead of posting in it.
 
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UMMMM congrats I guess. Better late than never. I felt like I was reading something that was common knowledge but this is the first time I've read about it.
 
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Billiechu said:
Well he did seem to be blatantly ignoring the experiences of trans women in this thread (and the experiences of close friends of posters in this thread) to keep repeating the same things over and over. Eventually he wasn't really engaging in conversation anymore.
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I don't think anything I saw was particularly banworthy. If you think he wasn't engaging fine, but other people haven't been banned when being less "engaging" than that.
 
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Sibylus

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lexi said:
I don't think Oxigen_Waste posted anything particularly ban worthy. I fundamentally disagree with him on many levels, but I certainly wasn't offended by anything he said.
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Of the bans handed out in this thread, I think he merited his the least. Certainly seemed tractable to rethinking his position and apologetic over whatever offense he caused, which is a great deal more than can be said for many of the other fallen. Hoping it's temp.
 
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thatbox

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Botolf said:
Of the bans handed out in this thread, I think he merited his the least. Certainly seemed tractable to rethinking his position and apologetic over whatever offense he caused, which is a great deal more than can be said for many of the other fallen. Hoping it's temp.
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His bullshit was simply spread out over half a dozen posts or so. I addressed it all at the top of mine, and if he'd vomited all that crap up at once you wouldn't be speaking in his favor.
 
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Sibylus

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thatbox said:
His bullshit was simply spread out over half a dozen posts or so. I addressed it all at the top of mine, and if he'd vomited all that crap up at once you wouldn't be speaking in his favor.
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It's ugly, certainly, but there's something to be said for the apparent lack of a devil may care attitude toward the objections lobbed into his corner. I've said enough ugly, stupid, and bigoted things in my time to not give up on change when the possibility rears its head.
 
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Laughing Banana said:
The Wachowskis will forever be doomed to be connected to the Matrix, aren't they.

If Lana is feeling content with who she is right now, then good for her I guess.
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I always think of Bound when I think of them. I still think it's their best and would love to see them go back to making those kind of films.
 
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Pimpwerx

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Wait...what? I found it strange that they weren't referred to as the Wachowski Brothers in Cloud Atlas talk. I just shrugged it off. That's...different. PEACE.
 
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God's Beard said:
Devolution, how does this make you feel?
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didn't realise Lana was Larry the first time I watched the video, so good for her.
 
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