sol_bad
Member
Go watch and form your own opinion rather than listen to your own echo chamber.
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Lashana Lynch will be ‘introduced to Bond 25 audiences as the new 007
Go watch and form your own opinion rather than listen to your own echo chamber.
KingGhidorah
Banned
nah fuck woke hollywood, they won't get the benefit of the doubt anymore, terminator was the last straw.......I'll wait for the woke reviews
KingGhidorah
Banned
nope, not supporting no stinky woke agenda
Vicetrailia
Banned
Lol, fucking triggered.
pennythoughts
Member
I'll watch it twice then. The world must be balanced
brap
Banned
Great post.
sol_bad
Member
Enjoy your little echo chamber world. lol
The small snippets look great. Can't tell if the bike stunt is real or fake. Would be great if this was as great as Casino Royaleto close out his time as Bond.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
James Bond is being played by Daniel Craig. I mean, it’s right there in the OP.
I only really liked two of Craig's bond films. Casino Royale and skyfall. Also they replaced M with a white dude and she was a white woman and no one cried about it. So why can't there be a black woman 007?
Anywho, Craig is prob my favorite bond, though even though only two movies were good.
Anywho, Craig is prob my favorite bond, though even though only two movies were good.
Lionel Richie
Member
This thread doesn't exist, I'm going back to bed and taking a pill until I fall asleep and forget about it and if I can't then I'll just keep taking them until I'm mercifully dead.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Did you even WATCH Terminator?
Or did you go by opinions of people who didn't watch it either?
You sound like a scared little boy ... Scared of the big bad woke tropes ... Oh, white female M was replaced by white male M? Isn't that non-woke? Or is that somehow woke with you and your ilk?
It's a freaking movie! Fictional character!
But Did you die?
MilkyJoe
Member
I bet you have an active Reeesetera account...
Back in the real world... This movie is going to be one of the biggest bombs in woke history, fucking with James Bond is like poking a sleeping lion.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
There has been some weird "woke" messaging in before the movie, so I think it's okay to wait for some reviews to come out.
I guess this "a woman is now 007, and asks James Bond to come back" thing is just a small little trick on the viewers, which no one would complain about if they had kept quiet about it and just let it happen.
My problem here was in the promotion text that kept floating around a few months back, where she was introduced as the "new 007, and she is strong and brave and stunning bla bla".
Off course you get a backlash with that.
The problem is never in the gender or race switching for me, it's in the messaging about it.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I never heard of ResetEra until I officially joined NeoGAF. I don't like overly woke idiots because they think anyone with their own brain is a bad guy. Kinda like the Anti-woke brigade that thinks any woke person is the devil incarnate.
And since you have never seen the movie... You must be psychic. Like all the other people who criticize movies they've never seen and come up with reasons why it grossed a billion to make it seem like it is somehow still a failure.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
sol_bad
, here you are, in yet another movie thread, another movie being sold/defended on its 'stunning and brave' content that nobody is asking for....and you are rattling out the same knee-jerk dismissals to everyone who won't deny what you insist on denying.
Your excuses are:
You can't have an opinion unless you've watched it
Everyone who doesn't agree with my tiresome mantra is in an echo-chamber.
I think you need to get some new material. And far better arguments and attitude to engagement.
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Scopa
The Tribe Has Spoken
You know, I think this is silly coming from you, Deaf since you have a history of jumping in topics with your heavily left-leaning bias.
In other words, someone could make a similar derogatory statement about your postings, but in the opposite direction.
I.E. you seem like a “scared little boy” every time someone gives an opinion against virtue-signalling, fake outrage, agenda pushing, etc.
Oh ye who casts the first stone.
MilkyJoe
Member
ahhh a Captain Marvel fan.
I don't need to see the movie, they've already said it's going to be woke. And they have cast a black woman as 007...
Fleabag star’s latest creation... a MeToo makeover for James Bond
James Bond is to be given a comprehensive makeover for the MeToo era by Fleabag, Phoebe Waller-Bridge has been drafted in by Bond producers for the latest film in the series.
TTOOLL
Member
ahhh a Captain Marvel fan.
I don't need to see the movie, they've already said it's going to be woke. And they have cast a black woman as 007...
Fleabag star’s latest creation... a MeToo makeover for James Bond
James Bond is to be given a comprehensive makeover for the MeToo era by Fleabag, Phoebe Waller-Bridge has been drafted in by Bond producers for the latest film in the series.www.dailymail.co.uk
Well, Fleabag is actually good. I'm surprised.
GymWolf
Member
I would see this movie...
sol_bad
Member
..and you are rattling out the same knee-jerk dismissals to everyone who won't deny what you insist on denying.
Your excuses are:
You can't have an opinion unless you've watched it
Everyone who doesn't agree with my tiresome mantra is in an echo-chamber.
I think you need to get some new material. And far better arguments and attitude to engagement.
The thing is, if someone hasn't seen a film, the person doesn't have an opinion about the film. They are only parroting someone else's opinion.
Or they might have an opinion about a trailer, that's fine and valid but it's an opinion about the trailer and not the film itself.
And when it comes to these "woke" movies, the people that are against them only seek out opinions from people who validate their bias. They don't look at "woke" peoples opinions or people who don't even mention/care about this political woke crap. That is what I would call creating your own little safe space, your own little echo chamber, they don't want to be challenged by other points of view or opinions.
The last James Bond film was boring and had absolutely nothing to do with anything woke. I'm more concerned about them pulling off a compelling story than anything related to wokeness.
I personally would be annoyed if the next 5 movies over the next 10 years had a woman as 007 because it would no longer be a James Bond franchise. If they set up a new franchise with a new ... 005 female agent in conjunction with the usual Bond franchise that would be fine.
MilkyJoe
Member
Blue contradicts the red. AND this is exactly what these bastards are doing, or rather undoing.
Star Wars - Emperor returns for episode 9, now the chosen one is Rey, not Anakin.
Terminator - Now Skynet doesn't exist and that Mexican chick is the new savior undoing the entirety of T1 & 2 and the importance of Sarah and John
James Bond - Change 007 from a womaniser to a black chick
These woke motherfuckers know only to destroy, they cannot create. They Ignore anything that goes against their rhetoric to destroy something that doesn't tow their leftist agenda. There is already a female James Bond , it was called Atomic Blonde, a fucking magnificent flick that was ignored in favour of destroying a national institution.
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sol_bad
Member
It's the story that matters and as long as the characters are written well I don't care what ethnicity or gender they are. I mean, for Dark Fate you can say that Danni doesn't come across as a believable strong woman .... at all. But the same can be said about Sarah Conner in T1 where she is weak as fuck.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
You're making an appeal to authority argument - which is a logical fallacy. You are outright dismissing what people say instead of actually addressing it.
Using the appeal to authority in this context means your only 'go-to' is your own anecdotal evidence - this is OK for a blog, but counts for nothing when you are engaging in discussions with other people.
At the time of writing and in the context of this thread, you have no leg to stand on because you are in no more a position of authority than any other participant.
So the fact you're using this appeal to authority shows how poor your attitude to engagement is - you are returning to your favoured "No, listen to me" crutch - even though it's logically inappropriate.
This is a strawman - you're putting out a very broad claim ("the people that are against them only seek out opinions from people who validate their bias") that you have not substantiated, and you are arguing that against that position.
EDIT: Look at
MilkyJoe
's post a couple of post above mine. It has substance because it is showing the contradictions and citing examples of how decades-old franchises are being subverted in the name of woke ideology.There is a very very big difference between saying:
"I'm OK with this"
and
"I'm OK with this, if you're not OK with it like me then you're wrong and your arguments are just [insert strawman]"
You're doing the second, without doing the legwork of making a substantiated argument beyond anecdotal evidence (which is fine for "I'm OK with this", but nothing more) and employing strawmen.
I've seen this low-effort copy-paste argument from you now in multiple threads. I've seen far better arguments from the other side of the fence (ie: 'strong female character' examples over numerous films and decades).
I think you wouldn't have to work so hard with your multiple replies and multiple threads if your replies actually contained better arguments. Quality vs quantity.
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MilkyJoe
Member
Undoing previous canon for sake of 2019 woke politics is fucking abhorrent, are you not a free thinking adult??
sol_bad
Member
Of course I am a free thinking adult, it's why 80%-90% of the time I avoid reviews of films until after I see them. I usually get annoyed when someone posts a RottenTomatoes score in a thread title if I'm being honest.
I don't think we should get on the topic of a Terminator film in a Bond thread though.
^_^
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
The characters aren't well written if they're redesigned to make specific crowds outside of the narrative happy. There is literally no reason outside of scoring diversity points in making Bond a black lady. Gender and race is a part of a person's character. What they're choosing to do rather than create a new character is desperately cling onto the success of an existing one. See: Ghostbusters, Charlie's Angels, etc.
I'm sure there'd be no outrage at all if they made, say, a white Blade, since it doesn't matter.
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sol_bad
Member
The thing is, they aren't making Bond a black woman. This actor is a different character who may or may not get the 007 license.
As for Female Ghostbusters and Charlie's Angels, both of those movies do contain new characters, do you mean they aren't creating a new IP?
Blade could be black or white, there is nothing about his character that defines him as African American as far as I know. The only thing is that Wesley Snipes was so perfect for the role and I'm positive that Mahersahala Ali will knock the role out of the park so much so that I think general audiences would find it hard to accept a white Blade.
MilkyJoe
Member
It's the same thing, they are trying to change the substance of the character for sake of current bullshit, woke, dopy-cunt, politics, for brainwashed, little babies that cannot understand "Make believe"
The appeal of Bond movies, is a misogynistic, over-the-top, British, gentleman spy! That's the character, it's not real, it does not need to be changed to sedate the fucking pricks of this world. The same way John Conner didn't need to be erased from the Terminator franchise because "THE FUTURE IS FEMALE"... Lets all be honest here, the least profitable future, for a male orientated action franchise, is feminist politics. You'd have to be a remedial cunt, of the highest order, to not understand that.
MilkyJoe
Member
No one wants a Black Lady as 007, they want BOND - JAMES BOND, no one else, not a black man, a Chinese woman, a disabled Inuit or ANY OTHER WHITE MALE character, people only want JAMES BOND to hold the 007 license. What does it take to get this through to you??
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
We really pretending that's not the same thing? That's like saying Falcon isn't the new Captain America because he's Sam Wilson and not Steve Rogers. Good example actually while we're on it, since Sam Wilson being black has absolutely nothing to do with him being the new cap, there's actually an in-plot reason behind it, thus nobody cares. It makes sense.
Yes, I'm saying rather than making an original movie, they're just remaking stuff and making it more diverse for the sake of it. No-one had the same problems with, say, Spy, Salt, Atomic Blonde etc. because they're original ideas.
Incidentally, they made Major white in the live action GITS and it did not go down well, but not too badly because we're well aware that Hollywood doesn't care as much about Asian representation.
Nothing at all except y'know, he's been black since 1973.
Don't play dumb. You know full well there would be uproar if they make a beloved black male character like Blade a white lady. I'd be pissed. Blade is a cool black guy.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
Let's highlight the variables:
The only thing is that [actor] was so perfect for the role and I'm positive that [different actor with same immutable characteristics] will knock the role out of the park so much so that I think general audiences would find it hard to accept a [established narrative character with purposefully changed immutable characteristics].
And this is before we take in the hypocrisy of snubbing someone else mentioning the Terminator franchise in a Bond discussion to instead to then proceed and bring the Blade franchise into a Bond discussion when you want to make your counterpoint.
You appear to want your cake and eat it, whilst arguing against those who want the same.
I could draw another conclusion from your example. But I really don't want that to be true.
MilkyJoe
Member
We really pretending that's not the same thing? That's like saying Falcon isn't the new Captain America because he's Sam Wilson and not Steve Rogers. Good example actually while we're on it, since Sam Wilson being black has absolutely nothing to do with him being the new cap, there's actually an in-plot reason behind it, thus nobody cares. It makes sense.
Yes, I'm saying rather than making an original movie, they're just remaking stuff and making it more diverse for the sake of it. No-one had the same problems with, say, Spy, Salt, Atomic Blonde etc. because they're original ideas.
Incidentally, they made Major white in the live action GITS and it did not go down well, but not too badly because we're well aware that Hollywood doesn't care as much about Asian representation.
Nothing at all except y'know, he's been black since 1973.
Don't play dumb. You know full well there would be uproar if they make a beloved black male character like Blade a white lady. I'd be pissed. Blade is a cool black guy.
I've never got why these people willingly make public fools of themselves for this nonsensical cause.
WhiskeyDiver
Member
VulcanRaven
Member
I'm a big Bond fan and I don't have any problem with it. No one is replacing Bond. Its very likely that Bond gets the 007 title back before the movie ends. He is retired when the movie starts. He is still going to be the main character in the future movies.
There will be a in-plot reason why someone else is 007. Bond has retired.
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quickwhips
Member
They named the terminator carl. And the lady kept him around because he sold drapes, changed diapers and was funny. Carl probably watched her fuck other guys.
MilkyJoe
Member
I have absolutely no doubt that this is the case, but that is not going to change the fact that for this movie 007 is going to be played by a woman, specifically made for the Metoo era, as publicly expressed by the producers, which will likely see it die a death at the box office, putting future movies into doubt.
Get woke go broke is an exact science, and is a franchise killer.
VulcanRaven
Member
I think you are overestimating how many people think like that. Most of the people don't care. I'm pretty sure this movie will be a big success like the previous movies. Would you be ok if the new 007 was a man?
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WhiskeyDiver
Member
Honestly this can easily be fixed if the female Bond is known only as Bond, because she doesn't want to get attached to anyone too much, and she loves killing henchmen and henchWOMAN en mass...INDISCRIMINATELY! Even if they yell, "Please! I have child-" interrupted by a beautiful shot right in the brain cage.
On the flipside, you can have the classical James Bond that loves martinis, women, Astro Martins, and his trusty Walther PKK.
Create a Bondiverse. FUCK IT! Get no genitals Bond in there too. It's just a mannequin with a robot voice.
Honestly, it is very much possible to make a Bond movie with a woman lead a great, high octane fuckin spy flick. All they have to do it is keep the goddamn gender, racial and political bias to an absolute minimum. Make the goddamn movie about Bond vs a fantastically larger than life, but super intelligent super villain. It's easy. Just do it movie studio, writers, producers, directors and actors. It's real easy to not completely fuck it up and be a pile of shit that is too low grade to be used as fertilizer.
On the flipside, you can have the classical James Bond that loves martinis, women, Astro Martins, and his trusty Walther PKK.
Create a Bondiverse. FUCK IT! Get no genitals Bond in there too. It's just a mannequin with a robot voice.
Honestly, it is very much possible to make a Bond movie with a woman lead a great, high octane fuckin spy flick. All they have to do it is keep the goddamn gender, racial and political bias to an absolute minimum. Make the goddamn movie about Bond vs a fantastically larger than life, but super intelligent super villain. It's easy. Just do it movie studio, writers, producers, directors and actors. It's real easy to not completely fuck it up and be a pile of shit that is too low grade to be used as fertilizer.
Birdo
Banned
It's already been confirmed that the woman isn't 007 any more, due to backlash. She will have a different number.
It wasn't really a big issue anyway. Since she was only a replacement until Bond returns from retirement.
It's okay for Bond to be a white man. There is literally no good reason to change it, other than to bend to left-wing hate mobs.
It wasn't really a big issue anyway. Since she was only a replacement until Bond returns from retirement.
It's okay for Bond to be a white man. There is literally no good reason to change it, other than to bend to left-wing hate mobs.
Scopa
The Tribe Has Spoken
It really is that simple. But, for some spastic reason, Hollywood seems intent on burning money lately. I’d laugh if it wasn’t so utterly ridiculous.
Like look at Elizabeth Banks and Charlie’s Angels. It bombed horrifically and they immediately hand her another movie and open chequebook. Weird.
I can picture the woke producers sitting in their meetings...
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Perhaps I should've elaborated. They've created a new character for the sole purpose of replacing James Bond, a character established in writing in 1953 and on film in 1962. The example you're referring to used Falcon, a black male character established in comics in 1969 and on film in 2014, five years before we was elected the new Captain America. We actually go to know Sam Wilson as his own character for five movies before Endgame, he didn't show up out of nowhere to take the crown.
Nu Bond was established in a film script in 2019 and it's no accident they're a black lady. None of this is to suggest that the film will be bad or bomb, but the track record for this kind of shoehorned diversity isn't great.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
Also, for deniers in this thread, it should be noted zeitgeist industry female Phoebe Waller-Bridge, adored for her female-strong writing in original material had been brought in to add to writing duties on this Bond film.
So these people have a repuation. They know exactly what they're doing. And will lie to you and deflect blame everywhere else but where it belongs when the facts come to light.
She has also done such services on the movie "Last Christmas" which has been trashed by numerous critics for shoehorning the topic of Brexit, immigration and other things nobody wants in an Xmas RomCom.
Reviews:
www.bbc.com
www.rollingstone.com
Denials:
Oh, whilst Dame Emma Thomson is saying how these fictional characters that were written deliberately to be ethnicity X and politically Y and gender Z and dealing with real-world issues A, B and C is so 'unavoidable' she succeeds in avoiding to highlight she was one of the people involved in writing the sorry mess in the first place.
Reviews:
Last Christmas review: 'Brutally unfunny and contrived'
This festive cinematic tribute to George Michael is “misjudged” and “nauseatingly sweet and sour simultaneously” writes Nicholas Barber.
www.bbc.com
'Last Christmas' Review: When Holiday Movies Go Very, Very Wrong
'Last Christmas' should be the George Michael-soundtracked holiday rom-com we need; instead, it's a flaming-tinseled disaster. Our review.
www.rollingstone.com
Denials:
Emilia Clarke and Emma Thompson on Last Christmas and reading reviews
The actress discusses her film Last Christmas and why it's "just not helpful" to read her reviews.
www.bbc.co.uk
Oh, whilst Dame Emma Thomson is saying how these fictional characters that were written deliberately to be ethnicity X and politically Y and gender Z and dealing with real-world issues A, B and C is so 'unavoidable' she succeeds in avoiding to highlight she was one of the people involved in writing the sorry mess in the first place.
So these people have a repuation. They know exactly what they're doing. And will lie to you and deflect blame everywhere else but where it belongs when the facts come to light.
MilkyJoe
Member
You're grossly underestimating how woke culture has spread into the masses, even my mother rolls her eyes at this shit, and she's in her 60s. Let's look at some casualties so far
Solo
Disney-Lucasfilm in general
Ghostbusters
Charlies Angels
Terminator
Men in Black 4
X-Men - Dark Pheonix
James Bond - it's fucking inevitable that this'll bomb.
Gillette
Marvel Comics
DC Comics
Battlefield V
Marie Claire
Are just a few off of the top of my head, to the tune of billions and billions of dollars
Further reading for you.
Businesses That Don't Stand Up to Activists Will Go Out of Business
The common expression now is “Get woke, go broke.” The list of examples keeps growing.
www.newsmax.com
PS - I've already expressed, further up, that 007 cannot be anything but James Bond. 007 is not the character, Bond is the draw.