Topher
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No. Someone using Steam as an example of something that doesn't match the marketing isn't complaining about not getting Steam keys.
[Laura Fryer] The Future of Xbox
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No. Someone using Steam as an example of something that doesn't match the marketing isn't complaining about not getting Steam keys.
GHG
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What are you talking about? The PC versions of their games run on their (Microsoft's) servers regardless of where they are purchased. It can also go the other way round - they could also email you a Microsoft Store key if you've purchased the game on Steam, but they don't.
This string of constant excuses for them is hilarious.
I can only assume that because you're unwilling to stare information regarding the percentage of your owned titles that are play anywhere that it's not looking too hot. Either that or you don't actually buy games like you claim to.
But that fits in with everything else you've been doing in this thread. Can't let people know that it doesn't do what it says on the tin now can we?
Why not? They make us log in to their store when we purchase their games via Steam. So what's the difference to them? If they want to say "play anywhere" then one purchase should grant you keys across all the places the game exists and you should also get access to your progress.
Right now progress for their games is split across Xbox, steam and PS5. If you're going to make us sign in after having to pay for different versions of the same game then at least allow progress to carry. Even Ubisoft have this figured out by now.
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Punished Miku
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diffusionx
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it's not BS, it is reality. it's not a merged ecosystem if 1 out of 10 of what is in ecosystem A works in ecosystem B. You can debate whether the number should be 100 or not but it definitely needs to be better than sub-10%. Microsoft is out there saying LITERALLY "THIS IS AN XBOX" so it's reasonable to say "what the fuck, how is it an Xbox if 1 out of 10 Xbox games work on it". This is to say nothing of phones and laptops and VR headsets where it is just a totally different ecosystem with streamshit.
The ROG Ally is not an Xbox, it's a PC, calling it an Xbox is just incorrect and, again, disingenuous. The ecosystems are not merged in any meaningful way.
GHG
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If its one game then the following doesn't apply to you and thus it's just marketing:
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I actually believe you, my friend.
Punished Miku
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GHG
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Again. Single entitlement.
It's the same store you are accessing across two different devices.
Punished Miku
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It's a console version and a PC version. They're on 2 different stores currently. It's not even the same version of the game.
Well it's true
I multi-task. Really it's the people here camping this thread that can't handle 1 person pointing out the objective fact that Play Anywhere is a dual entitlement program and more than just marketing. This isn't even up for debate, so it's pretty pointless to keep it going like this.
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Heisenberg007
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GHG
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Topher
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Getting back to what Laura Fryer said, her point about "Xbox Anywhere" is that the entirety of the Xbox library is not available on the Rog Xbox Ally device. This is what she says:
"Because Xbox Anywhere means that I'm going to be able to play all my Xbox games and PC games on my handheld. And that right there could be a big selling point except it looks like that might not be the case. There's been some confusion on this point but from what I can tell Pure Xbox is correct. You won't be able to play native Xbox games. Only native PC games. This isn't great in my opinion. If Xbox Anywhere means I should be able to play all my games on the handheld device then darn it I want to play all of my games not just my PC games "
"Because Xbox Anywhere means that I'm going to be able to play all my Xbox games and PC games on my handheld. And that right there could be a big selling point except it looks like that might not be the case. There's been some confusion on this point but from what I can tell Pure Xbox is correct. You won't be able to play native Xbox games. Only native PC games. This isn't great in my opinion. If Xbox Anywhere means I should be able to play all my games on the handheld device then darn it I want to play all of my games not just my PC games "
ChorizoPicozo
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roast his fat-ass to oblivion.
Jez to Laura:
YOU ARE IGNORANT!
diffusionx
Gold Member
If Microsoft never did the "THIS IS AN XBOX" campaign with a bunch of bullshit and just straight up said what they are doing, honestly, just said "we're releasing a PC with Asus and a new Windows interface" then there would be no problem.
It's not like Play Anywhere is new. I bought Quantum Break digital because it was Play Anywhere and that shit is like 10 years old (and the Xbox store version is also objectively worse than the Steam version, go figure). It's just noit really been a factor for anyone because it is so poorly supported and badly done and that still seems to be the case.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Its important to see the words because many are taking certain liberties with what she actually said and exactly what she knows to be facts
Insanemaelstrom
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I would just like to jump in and point out that the casual public was confused between wii and wii-u. How does ms expect them to not get confused between all these different products and services?
mayham2199
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My guess? They don't really expect the casual public to entertain this device and this is more for the loyal fanbase.
Punished Miku
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Punished Miku
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They also have a cloud component and want people to try Gamepass on firestick. Their marketing campaign is completely fine. Only here do people get this worked up about commercials.
Honestly, with how much people here reference it - I'd go so far as to call it the single most successful gaming advert of the modern era. I've never seen people so fixated on a slogan and a totally meaningless ad campaign from a 3rd place console. The ad company in charge of it needs a raise. It's truly unprecedented. People can't let it go, like it's burned in their brain.
Zacfoldor
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I'm so glad you asked
This just came across my desk and it's the best thing I've seen all week:
Seriously though, the inquisitorius still stands, I'm sure this or many of our other brethren(Vara Dark, ect) probably have videos all about this exact thread topic already posted. I would be SHOCKED if Asmon didn't have a Laura Fryer future of Xbox video up by now.
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asdasdasdbb
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GHG
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You log in with the same account, they have the same backend. For all intents and purposes, it's one single store and therefore one single entitlement for all purchases made.
While I'm flattered that you wonder about me, hopefully you can take a break from lusting over me to figure out the facts surrounding what you've got yourself in to.
diffusionx
Gold Member
lol yea, ok "rent free", blah blah it still sucks and is retarded and is going to fail.
mayham2199
Member
Or everyone can refuse to pay the toll and just go directly to the PC store they want, download it, and install the game.
Punished Miku
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I look at adverts as annoying. They're jingles that stick in your head, convey a simple message, etc. I hate ads. In that context, this one was honestly probably extremely effective and well done in conveying what they wanted with limited time. It's catchy and tells you "the thing."
But yes, I don't think any of this is really catching on with people and will be for a niche audience.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
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Jez is a complete clown
Xbox 360 slim
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Feels good to be a PC+PS5 chad.
HeisenbergFX4
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Best combo imo
KenaiPhoenix
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They lost the moment the corpost smelled the money on the Xbox 360. Remember this is the company that though that a good console was something that actually only have netflix, a couple of games and a connection to the DVR back with the Xone. This idea went on multiple meetings and they all agreed it was the way to go.
Now they speak of "Xbox harware" and not "the next Xbox", they killed the brand.
Now they speak of "Xbox harware" and not "the next Xbox", they killed the brand.
Xbox 360 slim
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All they had to do was drop the damn xbox 720...
HeisenbergFX4
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all time comedy classics.
Topher
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Seems like the basis of everything that Phil Spencer did following that debacle (Game Pass, Play Anywhere, BC) was created in trying to fix those mistakes. None of them worked.
KenaiPhoenix
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Even if they realize it, they couldnt. They replaced, brainwashed or simple put to the side all the people that made the good Xbox and Xbox 360 great. Just look at the second half of the X360 life: heavily chasing the market the Wii discovers, trying to appeal to the masses with motion controls, "Not-Miis" that looked that crap, and very tame/lame games.
Maybe they world should have ended on 2012.
Oh good, I forgot how awful that was. My boy... it is dead.
At least they dont bother project like Insignia that is practically Xbox Live for the OG Xbox, maybe when they manage to recreate some sort of X360 live we can all pretend that MS just got bored after the 360 and abandoned the IP and the game market
mayham2199
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It was great listening to the interview of the guy who pitched the PS response. So simple yet effective.
digoutyoursoul
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And they use it as an excuse to this day with the "worst generation to lose" narrative.
They conveniently forget that thought that you can attract new customers to gaming if the platform is appealing enough. The notion that every single current customer will be indefinitely tied to one product doesn't wash either.
If they had enough compelling content last generation they wouldn't have done as badly as they did. It was excuse after excuse and when you compare it to Sony content , it was embarrassing to be honest.
Jaybe
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GHG
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That's the point.
Calverz
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Feels good to be an
Topher
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In the video, she is actually highlighting the confusion around Play Anywhere and the fact that folks very well may think they are getting all their Xbox console games "anywhere" but that's not the case.
Boo Who?
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The casual public own a Playstation, a Switch, or both.
nowhat
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And the imaginary public owns an Xbox.
GoodData
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It says on news.xbox.com that Microsoft is making future first party consoles.
news.xbox.com
Laura Fryer was in charge of gears of war, right? I don't know where the idea that MS Xbox was officially going full on software-only started. Spencer said in an interview that there would always be MS Xbox hardware, the implication was for the foreseeable future I believe.
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
news.xbox.com
Laura Fryer was in charge of gears of war, right? I don't know where the idea that MS Xbox was officially going full on software-only started. Spencer said in an interview that there would always be MS Xbox hardware, the implication was for the foreseeable future I believe.
digoutyoursoul
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It says on news.xbox.com that Microsoft is making future first party consoles.
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
Laura Fryer was in charge of gears of war, right? I don't know where the idea that MS Xbox was officially going full on software-only started. Spencer said in an interview that there would always be MS Xbox hardware, the implication was for the foreseeable future I believe.
She's in this Gears documentary
mayham2199
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It says on news.xbox.com that Microsoft is making future first party consoles.
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
Laura Fryer was in charge of gears of war, right? I don't know where the idea that MS Xbox was officially going full on software-only started. Spencer said in an interview that there would always be MS Xbox hardware, the implication was for the foreseeable future I believe.
It started because people simply do not believe a word that comes out of their mouth. They've intentionally tried to mislead people for a very long time now and people just don't trust them.
Boo Who?
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He asked about the casual public. Numbers don't lie. I sold my Series X when GS gave me over $400 for my launch console. The writing is on the wall. This is the 1st time since the OG Xbox I have not owned their console. They needed to correct course years ago, and Phil kept pointing the ship towards the rocks right next to the whirlpool. Leadership failed the Xbox brand, and its why people like me no longer believe in their hardware business and see through their lies.