Saying PA is a joke is not the same as saying PA is just marketing. You can be honest about what it is, and then say if you like it or not and I have no problem with it. Currently it is incomplete and they have a ways to go. It's still the best version of this we've ever seen from a console maker.
Well it's literally one or the other. Either 1) they haven't communicated this knowledge to anyone, or 2) they are communicating this in interviews, twice weekly in their blog, again in a recent AMD announcement, on the store with clearly labeled icons. You tell me.
Keep in mind we're talking about compatibility with a future system that's literally not even been shown yet with AMD, so this much early communication on BC is pretty much unprecedented and exceeds what any other console maker does. ROG is just Play Anywhere titles as far as we know, and other PC stores.
Well it's not even out yet. They just did a bunch of preview events. Why don't you read one. It's a Windows Device with Play Anywhere titles available through the Windows Store.
Its going to be more complex than the typical BC situation. They're exiting hardware and trying to merge ecosystems. If people don't get it I feel bad for them but you can access all this info by literally just watching 1 youtube video showing people using the device. This is months before release.
If we can get them to hate it, they will obsessively talk about it and make it their avatar.
If we can get them to hate it, they will obsessively talk about it and make it their avatar.
Didn't they just announce that there would be a new Xbox?
If you don't know exactly which Xbox game every single one of these devices play, then you are a liar.
I guess the next step, now that we (don't) know what an Xbox is, would be for them to answer "What is an Xbox game ?". Looking forward to it...
What a slime ball twat
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Not even! I dont even evangelize. These are going to be niche devices for people already in the ecosystem interested in PC. Just correcting straight up bullshit. Getting quote bombed from an obsessive Xbox troll like![]()
Miku with the gloves off.
Have Microsoft ever said they're the ones making it?
I dont even evangelize.
These are going to be niche devices for people already in the ecosystem interested in PC. Just correcting straight up bullshit. Getting quote bombed from an obsessive Xbox troll likejm89 is always rich. Look in the mirror, damn.
For the recorddiffusionx has no questions. He's just really concerned about imaginary consumers that might be confused 4+ months from release of a PC handheld and a year out from Xbox PC. He sounds very stressed out.
Yes. Sarah mentioned first party devices when speaking on the custom-engineered chips.
Dropping in to check this thread from time to time
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Well it's true. I'm not telling anyone to buy these. I will likely get one, but if you want a PS5 / PS6, go for it. You'll have all the Xbox games too. If you are already on PC, stick with what you have. What is the problem? Honestly.That's good!
Oh...
No she didn't
As part of this, Xbox unveiled that it has entered into a strategic, multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including future first-party consoles and cloud.
Yes, but he is too dense to understand that.Microsoft just announced somebody else's hardware, which is the whole point of what she is saying.
Well it's true. I'm not telling anyone to buy these. I will likely get one, but if you want a PS5 / PS6, go for it. You'll have all the Xbox games too. If you are already on PC, stick with what you have. What is the problem? Honestly.
But that depends on what they are calling a "first-party console." They are also calling a Meta Quest an Xbox, but that doesn't make it an Xbox, right?![]()
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.news.xbox.com
Seems clear to me.
Except that's not true at all. We literally talked about this in the ROG thread. I said I'm not getting one. I'd like to hear more about the BC stuff.The issue is that you're hellbent on defending their incoherent strategy surrounding all of this.
What you fail to realise is that in doing so you're ultimately only hurting yourself since it makes it less likely they will bother to even continue to support these devices beyond their first iteration.
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Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.news.xbox.com
Seems clear to me.
But that depends on what they are calling a "first-party console." They are also calling a Meta Quest an Xbox, but that doesn't make it an Xbox, right?
If they make a console like Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox Series X|S, then it's truly an internally made console - like it has always been the case with these console companies.
If AMD and Xbox engineers collaborate to make a chip, and Xbox gives out that chip to companies like Asus, Lenovo, etc. that make the console, and Xbox calls that a "first-party console" because Xbox engineers also played a role in the creation of that chip ... well, that would not be true.
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I don't understand your obsession with questions. I understand them perfectly because I follow this industry and post on this cursed forum. I am saying it is stupid and disingenuous what they are doing and the product they are pushing now (Play Anywhere) is bad.Not even! I dont even evangelize. These are going to be niche devices for people already in the ecosystem interested in PC. Just correcting straight up bullshit. Getting quote bombed from an obsessive Xbox troll likejm89 is always rich. Look in the mirror, damn.
For the recorddiffusionx has no questions. He's just really concerned about imaginary consumers that might be confused 4+ months from release of a PC handheld and a year out from Xbox PC. He sounds very stressed out.
My point is that you're literally inventing a make believe person that is confused, and being offended on their behalf. Why don't we just wait and see how it goes? These are likely not even going to be in stores. They're likely going to be expensive and niche, and mostly for people who know exactly what it is. They're literally 4-12+ months from even being released. You literally don't even have anything you're confused about.I don't understand your obsession with questions. I understand them perfectly because I follow this industry and post on this cursed forum. I am saying it is stupid and disingenuous what they are doing and the product they are pushing now (Play Anywhere) is bad.
I disagree, I have seen confusion on the internet after it was announced. The messaging is confusing, period, and in a thread talking about Xbox messaging, it can be brought up without shills like you claiming it's not.My point is that you're literally inventing a make believe person that is confused, and being offended on their behalf. Why don't we just wait and see how it goes? These are likely not even going to be in stores. They're likely going to be expensive and niche, and mostly for people who know exactly what it is. They're literally 4-12+ months from even being released. You literally don't even have anything you're confused about.
He probably got a golden handshake offer from Ziff Davis and took it.IGN isn't doing that great these days either. Even if he had stayed, his days would have been numbered
I gave you a like just because of theOh, so if you know this, everybody knows it ? Right ? And the MS communication isn't shit, it is actually the people that are lying ? Great way to help MS improve.
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What I said is that they've explained it in blogs, preview event, on the store with icons. I asked you to tell me what you're confused about and you aren't confused about anything.I disagree, I have seen confusion on the internet after it was announced. The messaging is confusing, period, and in a thread talking about Xbox messaging, it can be brought up without shills like you claiming it's not.
Except that's not true at all. We literally talked about this in the ROG thread. I said I'm not getting one. I'd like to hear more about the BC stuff.
Then they came out with an AMD video repeatedly emphasizing BC. That was enough for me to be a bit reassured. Now I will wait for them to unveil the AMD devices and see how it is.
In the meantime, their last big showcase had every single title shown as Play Anywhere. They update it in their blogs and are making it clear they're working on it.
What else would I want at this point? I complained, other people have complained since last Feb - and they seem to have heard what people were saying.
It's not merging ecosystems, lol. It's a PC. Play Anywhere that can support 5% of your Xbox library is not a merged ecosystem.What I said is that they've explained it in blogs, preview event, on the store with icons. I asked you to tell me what you're confused about and you aren't confused about anything.
I acknowledge that it's more complicated than your typical BC situation. It's merging ecosystems which really hasn't ever been done.
It's not merging ecosystems, lol. It's a PC. Play Anywhere that can support 5% of your Xbox library is not a merged ecosystem.
So evidently what Microsoft is explaining is very disingenuous and even the person that claims it's as simple as ABC does not understand it.
More BS. I already said to you that Play Anywhere is not comprehensive. They list what is updated on their blog. Merging doesn't mean it's 100% complete coverage. The entire point of Play Anywhere is to merge the Xbox console store with the Windows store as much as they are allowed.It's not merging ecosystems, lol. It's a PC. Play Anywhere that can support 5% of your Xbox library is not a merged ecosystem.
So evidently what Microsoft is explaining is very disingenuous and even the person that claims it's as simple as ABC does not understand it.
I called people a liar for saying Play Anywhere is just marketing. That is objectively a lie. Look up what marketing is if you can't follow what the word means. Now put "just" before that and explain to me how that's accurate.Meanwhile you're here calling anybody with that stance a "liar", while saying there's nothing wrong with what Microsoft are proposing and/or their messaging surrounding it. That, my friend, is evangelising.
Industry expert: "Play Anywhere is just marketing."Who to believe ? An industry veteran who was instrumental to the development of Xbox or a fanboy shill?
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I called people a liar for saying Play Anywhere is just marketing. That is objectively a lie. Look up what marketing is if you can't follow what the word means. Now put "just" before that and explain to me how that's accurate.
While you're in the dictionary, look up evangelize. It means to seek or convert, which I am not. This is a device for a niche audience and I'm not trying to convince anyone to get it. I'm merely correctly straight up inaccurate crap.
This is not even in their power to do. That's not what it means. That's not what they've said. That's not realistic on any level. It's like trying to argue that Playstation has cross buy so I should be able to use my Vita games on Xbox. That's just not what it is. It's a dual entitlement program for Xbox console and the Windows Store.In the context of how Microsoft put it forward it is just marketing.
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"Play Anywhere" should mean that I can play any game with that tag on any platform/ecosystem I have access to and that isn't the case. It's literally just "you can play it anywhere as long as you stay within our walls". So that means I can't play my copy of Forza horizon 4 that I own on the windows store on my Steam Deck (which is still a handheld PC by definition) so I had to repurchase the game on the Steam store. This also extends the other way round Forza Horizon 5 is a "play anywhere" title which I own on Steam but yet I can't access that game which I own on the windows store, on an Xbox or a PS5.
I never claimed it was a comprehensive list? You can look up the list of Play Anywhere titles on their blog.If they want to say "play anywhere", especially for their own games, then it should actually mean play anywhere.
And that's not even getting in to the fact that it only actually applies for such a small percentage of Xbox console titles that have ever released. Take a look at this for example:
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You say you've purchased a lot of games via the Xbox store so tell us - how many games do you own, and how many of those are "play anywhere"?
Please show us the percentage of games in your library that are play anywhere and then try to say that the "1000 games" statement isn't just marketing.
I didn't do that much in this thread. I just corrected inaccurate claims. Which part did I say how great the upcoming Xbox stuff is? I mostly am talking about this video. I even explicitly said I'm not trying to sell anyone on these things and stick with whatever system you want. It's literally only for Xbox users who are interested in PC. It's a niche device.evangelize
"to talk about how good you think something is"
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evangelizing
1. present participle of evangelize 2. to talk about how good you think…dictionary.cambridge.org
Some snark headed her way today, as expected, Toad Corden belching his views & this guy with more wonderful insight
Half this guy's posts are adverts for Xbox products.
Another one getting freebies
Jez's taking point.....The Hive Mind
This is not even in their power to do. That's not what it means. That's not what they've said. That's not realistic on any level. It's like trying to argue that Playstation has cross buy so I should be able to use my Vita games on Xbox. That's just not what it is. It's a dual entitlement program for Xbox console and the Windows Store.
The PlayStation 3 version of Portal 2 will also ship with a key gamers can use to download the PC version of the game for free.
I never claimed it was a comprehensive list? You can look up the list of Play Anywhere titles on their blog.
This has nothing to do with anything I've talked about. I'm just trying to explain what Play Anywhere is. You saying that it has any percentage of titles above 0.0% means that it is more than just marketing. That's my whole point. The video in the OP is bullshit.
I didn't do that much in this thread. I just corrected inaccurate claims. Which part did I say how great the upcoming Xbox stuff is? I mostly am talking about this video. I even explicitly said I'm not trying to sell anyone on these things and stick with whatever system you want. It's literally only for Xbox users who are interested in PC. It's a niche device.
Whole lot of BS. It's just funny how many times you guys have to fight on these things. Like, go and take your time to come up with a valid point addressing what I said in my first post. Or don't bother. This has nothing to do with anything I was talking about.
Jez's taking point.....The Hive Mind
We've literally talked about this before, more than once. They would have to pay Steam to host the game on their servers and run the download infrastructure for it. Games listed on Steam are bought on Steam and collect 30%. MS does not have to pay that cost for games on their own store, so they are taking the extra hit and listing it twice since they own both stores. They don't have the ability to tell Steam to host their games without any payment.Firstly I'm talking specifically about Microsoft's own titles here. You're misunderstanding what it actually is (which proves my and everyone else's point here) - it's not "dual entitlement", it's a single entitlement on a single store.
And secondly, it is in their power. They make you log in to your Xbox account regardless of where you're playing these games. You're signing in with no benefit, you don't get cross save across xbox/steam/PS5, and you dont get a "play anywhere" entitlement across those platforms.
When valve have done this before in the past with portal 2 across PS3/PC and they gave you a key that you could redeem in order to facilitate this:
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Valve bringing Steam-supported Portal 2 to PS3 in April
Valve announces that the PlayStation 3 version of its forthcoming Portal 2 game will ship with support for features that tie in with its Steam PC gaming service.www.cnet.com
So what's stopping Microsoft from giving everyone that already owns these games a key that can be redeemed on platforms where the same games also exist?
What does this have to do with anything I talked about?How many games do you own and what percentage of your games are play anywhere?
Play Anywhere is not just marketing. You're asking me how many games I have listed in my PC library from Play Anywhere. That means you know it's not just marketing. So what does any of that have to do with evangelizing? Literally nothing. You're just stubborn and defending a stupid gif fromWhen you start defending Microsoft and resort to calling people "liars" then that's exactly what you're doing.
It's that ridiculous. Yes.Are people seriously complaining that Play Anywhere doesn't mean you get a Steam Key?
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It's very evident in this video and others that she doesn't want Xbox to fail, but Jez can always be counted on to be an insufferable fanboy.