[Laura Fryer] The Future of Xbox

Saying PA is a joke is not the same as saying PA is just marketing. You can be honest about what it is, and then say if you like it or not and I have no problem with it. Currently it is incomplete and they have a ways to go. It's still the best version of this we've ever seen from a console maker.


Well it's literally one or the other. Either 1) they haven't communicated this knowledge to anyone, or 2) they are communicating this in interviews, twice weekly in their blog, again in a recent AMD announcement, on the store with clearly labeled icons. You tell me.

Keep in mind we're talking about compatibility with a future system that's literally not even been shown yet with AMD, so this much early communication on BC is pretty much unprecedented and exceeds what any other console maker does. ROG is just Play Anywhere titles as far as we know, and other PC stores.
Well it's not even out yet. They just did a bunch of preview events. Why don't you read one. It's a Windows Device with Play Anywhere titles available through the Windows Store.
Its going to be more complex than the typical BC situation. They're exiting hardware and trying to merge ecosystems. If people don't get it I feel bad for them but you can access all this info by literally just watching 1 youtube video showing people using the device. This is months before release.
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If you don't know exactly which Xbox game every single one of these devices play, then you are a liar.

I guess the next step, now that we (don't) know what an Xbox is, would be for them to answer "What is an Xbox game ?". Looking forward to it...

You're at the same point I was a decade ago when dealing with the way that some people want to defend Xbox's misleading marketing and mixed messaging.

What you need to understand is that some people are so emotionally entrenched that even a barrage of facts and evidence won't make them change their stance.
 
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Not even! I dont even evangelize. These are going to be niche devices for people already in the ecosystem interested in PC. Just correcting straight up bullshit. Getting quote bombed from an obsessive Xbox troll like jm89 jm89 is always rich. Look in the mirror, damn.

For the record diffusionx diffusionx has no questions. He's just really concerned about imaginary consumers that might be confused 4+ months from release of a PC handheld and a year out from Xbox PC. He sounds very stressed out.
 
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I dont even evangelize.

That's good!

These are going to be niche devices for people already in the ecosystem interested in PC. Just correcting straight up bullshit. Getting quote bombed from an obsessive Xbox troll like jm89 jm89 is always rich. Look in the mirror, damn.

For the record diffusionx diffusionx has no questions. He's just really concerned about imaginary consumers that might be confused 4+ months from release of a PC handheld and a year out from Xbox PC. He sounds very stressed out.

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That's good!

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Well it's true. I'm not telling anyone to buy these. I will likely get one, but if you want a PS5 / PS6, go for it. You'll have all the Xbox games too. If you are already on PC, stick with what you have. What is the problem? Honestly.
 

Microsoft just announced somebody else's hardware, which is the whole point of what she is saying.

Also current Xbox regime has a recent history of being disingenuous in its messaging, so yes may well believe someone using background knowledge and common sense over MS and definitely someone who has literally no experience working for MS...... oh wait
 
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No she didn't


As part of this, Xbox unveiled that it has entered into a strategic, multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including future first-party consoles and cloud.

Seems clear to me.
 
Well it's true. I'm not telling anyone to buy these. I will likely get one, but if you want a PS5 / PS6, go for it. You'll have all the Xbox games too. If you are already on PC, stick with what you have. What is the problem? Honestly.

The issue is that you're hellbent on defending their incoherent strategy surrounding all of this.

What you fail to realise is that in doing so you're ultimately only hurting yourself since it makes it less likely they will bother to even continue to support these devices beyond their first iteration.
 
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Seems clear to me.
But that depends on what they are calling a "first-party console." They are also calling a Meta Quest an Xbox, but that doesn't make it an Xbox, right?

If they make a console like Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox Series X|S, then it's truly an internally made console - like it has always been the case with these console companies.

If AMD and Xbox engineers collaborate to make a chip, and Xbox gives out that chip to companies like Asus, Lenovo, etc. that make the console, and Xbox calls that a "first-party console" because Xbox engineers also played a role in the creation of that chip ... well, that would not be true.
 
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The issue is that you're hellbent on defending their incoherent strategy surrounding all of this.

What you fail to realise is that in doing so you're ultimately only hurting yourself since it makes it less likely they will bother to even continue to support these devices beyond their first iteration.
Except that's not true at all. We literally talked about this in the ROG thread. I said I'm not getting one. I'd like to hear more about the BC stuff.

Then they came out with an AMD video repeatedly emphasizing BC. That was enough for me to be a bit reassured. Now I will wait for them to unveil the AMD devices and see how it is.

In the meantime, their last big showcase had every single title shown as Play Anywhere. They update it in their blogs and are making it clear they're working on it.

What else would I want at this point? I complained, other people have complained since last Feb - and they seem to have heard what people were saying.
 



Seems clear to me.

Ah....so Sarah didn't say "first party" but one of their PR guys did. That's fair. No....not really all that clear when you have to hunt down multiple sources, but your original point was made.

But that depends on what they are calling a "first-party console." They are also calling a Meta Quest an Xbox, but that doesn't make it an Xbox, right?

If they make a console like Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox Series X|S, then it's truly an internally made console - like it has always been the case with these console companies.

If AMD and Xbox engineers collaborate to make a chip, and Xbox gives out that chip to companies like Asus, Lenovo, etc. that make the console, and Xbox calls that a "first-party console" because Xbox engineers also played a role in the creation of that chip ... well, that would not be true.

That's true too. Microsoft is taking a lot of liberties in tagging other products as "Xbox". Can't really trust what they say. Just what they do.
 
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Not even! I dont even evangelize. These are going to be niche devices for people already in the ecosystem interested in PC. Just correcting straight up bullshit. Getting quote bombed from an obsessive Xbox troll like jm89 jm89 is always rich. Look in the mirror, damn.

For the record diffusionx diffusionx has no questions. He's just really concerned about imaginary consumers that might be confused 4+ months from release of a PC handheld and a year out from Xbox PC. He sounds very stressed out.
I don't understand your obsession with questions. I understand them perfectly because I follow this industry and post on this cursed forum. I am saying it is stupid and disingenuous what they are doing and the product they are pushing now (Play Anywhere) is bad.
 
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I don't understand your obsession with questions. I understand them perfectly because I follow this industry and post on this cursed forum. I am saying it is stupid and disingenuous what they are doing and the product they are pushing now (Play Anywhere) is bad.
My point is that you're literally inventing a make believe person that is confused, and being offended on their behalf. Why don't we just wait and see how it goes? These are likely not even going to be in stores. They're likely going to be expensive and niche, and mostly for people who know exactly what it is. They're literally 4-12+ months from even being released. You literally don't even have anything you're confused about.
 
My point is that you're literally inventing a make believe person that is confused, and being offended on their behalf. Why don't we just wait and see how it goes? These are likely not even going to be in stores. They're likely going to be expensive and niche, and mostly for people who know exactly what it is. They're literally 4-12+ months from even being released. You literally don't even have anything you're confused about.
I disagree, I have seen confusion on the internet after it was announced. The messaging is confusing, period, and in a thread talking about Xbox messaging, it can be brought up without shills like you claiming it's not.
 
IGN isn't doing that great these days either. Even if he had stayed, his days would have been numbered
He probably got a golden handshake offer from Ziff Davis and took it.

Oh, so if you know this, everybody knows it ? Right ? And the MS communication isn't shit, it is actually the people that are lying ? Great way to help MS improve.

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I miss having the spirit of gaming posting amongst us.. :(
 
I disagree, I have seen confusion on the internet after it was announced. The messaging is confusing, period, and in a thread talking about Xbox messaging, it can be brought up without shills like you claiming it's not.
What I said is that they've explained it in blogs, preview event, on the store with icons. I asked you to tell me what you're confused about and you aren't confused about anything. 🤷‍♂️

I acknowledge that it's more complicated than your typical BC situation. It's merging ecosystems which really hasn't ever been done.
 
Except that's not true at all. We literally talked about this in the ROG thread. I said I'm not getting one. I'd like to hear more about the BC stuff.

Then they came out with an AMD video repeatedly emphasizing BC. That was enough for me to be a bit reassured. Now I will wait for them to unveil the AMD devices and see how it is.

In the meantime, their last big showcase had every single title shown as Play Anywhere. They update it in their blogs and are making it clear they're working on it.

What else would I want at this point? I complained, other people have complained since last Feb - and they seem to have heard what people were saying.

This isn't about what you want or think, the bar is lower for you because of how entrenched you are in their ecosystem.

If other members of the gaming community, including those who have worked both for them and across the industry in general, are saying that key elements of this new strategy are coming across as confusing/misleading and will hinder their ability to not only gain new customers, but to also retain their existing ones then they should probably listen.

Meanwhile you're here calling anybody with that stance a "liar", while saying there's nothing wrong with what Microsoft are proposing and/or their messaging surrounding it. That, my friend, is evangelising.
 
What I said is that they've explained it in blogs, preview event, on the store with icons. I asked you to tell me what you're confused about and you aren't confused about anything. 🤷‍♂️

I acknowledge that it's more complicated than your typical BC situation. It's merging ecosystems which really hasn't ever been done.
It's not merging ecosystems, lol. It's a PC. Play Anywhere that can support 5% of your Xbox library is not a merged ecosystem.

So evidently what Microsoft is explaining is very disingenuous and even the person that claims it's as simple as ABC does not understand it.
 
It's not merging ecosystems, lol. It's a PC. Play Anywhere that can support 5% of your Xbox library is not a merged ecosystem.

So evidently what Microsoft is explaining is very disingenuous and even the person that claims it's as simple as ABC does not understand it.

Yep, they aren't merging ecosystems, they are attempting to transition their Xbox userbase over to PC.
 
It's not merging ecosystems, lol. It's a PC. Play Anywhere that can support 5% of your Xbox library is not a merged ecosystem.

So evidently what Microsoft is explaining is very disingenuous and even the person that claims it's as simple as ABC does not understand it.
More BS. I already said to you that Play Anywhere is not comprehensive. They list what is updated on their blog. Merging doesn't mean it's 100% complete coverage. The entire point of Play Anywhere is to merge the Xbox console store with the Windows store as much as they are allowed.

With the AMD devices, it seems like they're going to try and do a hardware BC solution as well. Then the new Windows UI is likely going to display all of it together.
Meanwhile you're here calling anybody with that stance a "liar", while saying there's nothing wrong with what Microsoft are proposing and/or their messaging surrounding it. That, my friend, is evangelising.
I called people a liar for saying Play Anywhere is just marketing. That is objectively a lie. Look up what marketing is if you can't follow what the word means. Now put "just" before that and explain to me how that's accurate.

While you're in the dictionary, look up evangelize. It means to seek or convert, which I am not. This is a device for a niche audience and I'm not trying to convince anyone to get it. I'm merely correcting straight up inaccurate crap.
 
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I called people a liar for saying Play Anywhere is just marketing. That is objectively a lie. Look up what marketing is if you can't follow what the word means. Now put "just" before that and explain to me how that's accurate.

In the context of how Microsoft put it forward it is just marketing.

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"Play Anywhere" should mean that I can play any game with that tag on any platform/ecosystem I have access to and that isn't the case. It's literally just "you can play it anywhere as long as you stay within our walls". So that means I can't play my copy of Forza horizon 4 that I own on the windows store on my Steam Deck (which is still a handheld PC by definition) so I had to repurchase the game on the Steam store. This also extends the other way round Forza Horizon 5 is a "play anywhere" title which I own on Steam but yet I can't access that game which I own on the windows store, or an Xbox or a PS5.

If they want to say "play anywhere", especially for their own games, then it should actually mean play anywhere.

And that's not even getting in to the fact that it only actually applies for such a small percentage of Xbox console titles that have ever released. Take a look at this for example:

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You say you've purchased a lot of games via the Xbox store so tell us - how many games do you own, and how many of those are "play anywhere"?

Please show us the percentage of games in your library that are play anywhere and then try to say that the "1000 games" statement isn't just marketing.

While you're in the dictionary, look up evangelize. It means to seek or convert, which I am not. This is a device for a niche audience and I'm not trying to convince anyone to get it. I'm merely correctly straight up inaccurate crap.

evangelize

"to talk about how good you think something is"

 
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In the context of how Microsoft put it forward it is just marketing.

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"Play Anywhere" should mean that I can play any game with that tag on any platform/ecosystem I have access to and that isn't the case. It's literally just "you can play it anywhere as long as you stay within our walls". So that means I can't play my copy of Forza horizon 4 that I own on the windows store on my Steam Deck (which is still a handheld PC by definition) so I had to repurchase the game on the Steam store. This also extends the other way round Forza Horizon 5 is a "play anywhere" title which I own on Steam but yet I can't access that game which I own on the windows store, on an Xbox or a PS5.
This is not even in their power to do. That's not what it means. That's not what they've said. That's not realistic on any level. It's like trying to argue that Playstation has cross buy so I should be able to use my Vita games on Xbox. That's just not what it is. It's a dual entitlement program for Xbox console and the Windows Store.

If they want to say "play anywhere", especially for their own games, then it should actually mean play anywhere.

And that's not even getting in to the fact that it only actually applies for such a small percentage of Xbox console titles that have ever released. Take a look at this for example:

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You say you've purchased a lot of games via the Xbox store so tell us - how many games do you own, and how many of those are "play anywhere"?

Please show us the percentage of games in your library that are play anywhere and then try to say that the "1000 games" statement isn't just marketing.
I never claimed it was a comprehensive list? You can look up the list of Play Anywhere titles on their blog.

This has nothing to do with anything I've talked about. I'm just trying to explain what Play Anywhere is. You saying that it has any percentage of titles above 0.0% means that it is more than just marketing. That's my whole point. The video in the OP is bullshit.
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"to talk about how good you think something is"

I didn't do that much in this thread. I just corrected inaccurate claims. Which part did I say how great the upcoming Xbox stuff is? I mostly am talking about this video. I even explicitly said I'm not trying to sell anyone on these things and stick with whatever system you want. It's literally only for Xbox users who are interested in PC. It's a niche device.

Whole lot of BS. It's just funny how many times you guys have to fight on these things. Like, go and take your time to come up with a valid point addressing what I said in my first post. Or don't bother. This has nothing to do with anything I was talking about.
 
This is not even in their power to do. That's not what it means. That's not what they've said. That's not realistic on any level. It's like trying to argue that Playstation has cross buy so I should be able to use my Vita games on Xbox. That's just not what it is. It's a dual entitlement program for Xbox console and the Windows Store.

Firstly I'm talking specifically about Microsoft's own titles here. You're misunderstanding what it actually is (which proves my and everyone else's point here) - it's not "dual entitlement", it's a single entitlement on a single store.

And secondly, it is in their power. They make you log in to your Xbox account regardless of where you're playing these games. You're signing in with no benefit, you don't get cross save across xbox/steam/PS5, and you dont get a "play anywhere" entitlement across those platforms.

When valve have done this before in the past with portal 2 across PS3/PC and they gave you a key that you could redeem in order to facilitate this:

The PlayStation 3 version of Portal 2 will also ship with a key gamers can use to download the PC version of the game for free.


So what's stopping Microsoft from giving everyone that already owns these games a key that can be redeemed on platforms where the same games also exist?

They want to say we can "play anywhere"? Then actually let us play anywhere.

I never claimed it was a comprehensive list? You can look up the list of Play Anywhere titles on their blog.

This has nothing to do with anything I've talked about. I'm just trying to explain what Play Anywhere is. You saying that it has any percentage of titles above 0.0% means that it is more than just marketing. That's my whole point. The video in the OP is bullshit.

How many games do you own and what percentage of your games are play anywhere?

I didn't do that much in this thread. I just corrected inaccurate claims. Which part did I say how great the upcoming Xbox stuff is? I mostly am talking about this video. I even explicitly said I'm not trying to sell anyone on these things and stick with whatever system you want. It's literally only for Xbox users who are interested in PC. It's a niche device.

Whole lot of BS. It's just funny how many times you guys have to fight on these things. Like, go and take your time to come up with a valid point addressing what I said in my first post. Or don't bother. This has nothing to do with anything I was talking about.

When you start defending Microsoft and resort to calling people "liars" then that's exactly what you're doing.
 
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Firstly I'm talking specifically about Microsoft's own titles here. You're misunderstanding what it actually is (which proves my and everyone else's point here) - it's not "dual entitlement", it's a single entitlement on a single store.

And secondly, it is in their power. They make you log in to your Xbox account regardless of where you're playing these games. You're signing in with no benefit, you don't get cross save across xbox/steam/PS5, and you dont get a "play anywhere" entitlement across those platforms.

When valve have done this before in the past with portal 2 across PS3/PC and they gave you a key that you could redeem in order to facilitate this:




So what's stopping Microsoft from giving everyone that already owns these games a key that can be redeemed on platforms where the same games also exist?
We've literally talked about this before, more than once. They would have to pay Steam to host the game on their servers and run the download infrastructure for it. Games listed on Steam are bought on Steam and collect 30%. MS does not have to pay that cost for games on their own store, so they are taking the extra hit and listing it twice since they own both stores. They don't have the ability to tell Steam to host their games without any payment.
How many games do you own and what percentage of your games are play anywhere?
What does this have to do with anything I talked about?

When you start defending Microsoft and resort to calling people "liars" then that's exactly what you're doing.
Play Anywhere is not just marketing. You're asking me how many games I have listed in my PC library from Play Anywhere. That means you know it's not just marketing. So what does any of that have to do with evangelizing? Literally nothing. You're just stubborn and defending a stupid gif from jm89 jm89 . Literally nothing but bullshit.
 
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