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League of Legends Championship Series: Season 5
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You might have to. C9 is still 1 game behind Team 8 for the 7th spot, which they need to avoid relegations and still have a chance at making worlds.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Everyone ready to watch TSM lose
I am
I am
Syph Medwes
Member
CLG CLG CLG
Ambition
Member
thestopsign
Member
Their team comps were not good for split pushing, so when objectives were down they just had to sit mid. Their teams were built around speed and kiting, so the fights were all over the place. Each team was trying to play out their game plan, and I think they mostly did without too many mechanical mistakes.
The main stupid plays by each team were Aphroomoo and Double going in at the baron and C9's first lost team fight that let CLG back into it.
Imperfected
Member
TSM: LEGENDS - Ep 22 - ¯\_(ツ_/¯
This could be a record-breaking loss for TSM! Even the pre-game hype is getting weird.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
TSM: LEGENDS - Ep 22 - ¯_(ツ
Regi insults everyone, bystanders report that he was saying "You're all fucking brats. Why do you have to be so rude? Get out then if you're going to act like a brat." Dyrus found in fetal position.
It's the last half of the season though. I have high confidence in Dignitas' ability to throw harder than TSM.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
The fuck is up with this meta of having the jungler hold the top laners hand. Like the fuck. Only for them to freeze the damn lane afterwards. It's like they want to have a laning phase but not wanting to have a laning phase.
Stone Ocean
Member
Early game in NA is just a joke. Trade jungle camps, give level 2 to the top laner, take down side towers and just farm for 10 minutes before a jungler decides to 4v1 gank someone freezing a lane.
It's booooooring
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yeah it's like...like I don't like that NA hasn't won a world championship yet, but they deserve to lose because holy shit their early game is horrendous. And then you have Dig send their AD/Supp bottom without a tower and intend for them to farm? Like the fuck you doing.
Imperfected
Member
Jesus. Viktor vs. Kog match-up, Bjerg's missing "free" CS left and right, and somehow Shiphtur's still managed to be significantly behind in farm. Does the dude seriously just not know how to last-hit?
Imperfected
Member
There's basically no way Dig should be able to win with their composition after falling behind in laning phase, so I fully expect TSM to find some miraculous way to throw.
I mean, they've got basically no engage and no substantial poke against a double disengage poke team. This is practically destined to be the slowest, most painful bleed-out loss possible.
Edit: Haha. "It looks like they [Dig] are waiting for TSM to make a mistake..." camera-man pans over Dig's 1,001 Baron wards suggestively. Give that man a raise.
I mean, they've got basically no engage and no substantial poke against a double disengage poke team. This is practically destined to be the slowest, most painful bleed-out loss possible.
Edit: Haha. "It looks like they [Dig] are waiting for TSM to make a mistake..." camera-man pans over Dig's 1,001 Baron wards suggestively. Give that man a raise.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
That's the other thing. Nothing is happening. Maybe HotS has spoiled me with the minute to minute action, but here you have what has been...a good 5 minutes of nothing happening. 3 fights in 25 minutes.
It's like either team is afraid to do anything that isn't an objective. TSM especially, they've had a lead for what, 15 minutes, and they only wait until Dragon to do something.
It makes for boring games. Sure safe, but Dignitas isn't exactly the best team, and TSM hasn't showed their dominance. Well now that they have Baron they are.
Edit-Of course Dig waits until the turret is down to initiate, even though Rek could've jumped on Koggy while turret was up. Too late dig, ya suck.
It's like either team is afraid to do anything that isn't an objective. TSM especially, they've had a lead for what, 15 minutes, and they only wait until Dragon to do something.
It makes for boring games. Sure safe, but Dignitas isn't exactly the best team, and TSM hasn't showed their dominance. Well now that they have Baron they are.
Edit-Of course Dig waits until the turret is down to initiate, even though Rek could've jumped on Koggy while turret was up. Too late dig, ya suck.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
Do nothing slowly lose. Great job.
Stone Ocean
Member
That's basically it.
NA teams are straight up afraid to actually play League of Legends. No one wants to lane, no one wants to contest jungle camps, no one wants to do jack shit between TP cooldowns, it's awful.
Mister Negative
Member
AP kog seems super unfun to play against
Imperfected
Member
Blame Dig for picking an unwinnable composition. They needed effective hard engage somewhere, or vastly stronger laning (and betting on winning lanes when you have Shiphtur and KiwiKid on your team is incredibly dumb). They basically picked a team that TSM could poke out nonstop at their leisure, so that's exactly what TSM is doing.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Cloud9th
Champions Logic Gaming
Champions Logic Gaming
Stone Ocean
Member
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It's hilarious. It's like holy shit. I think TSM mentioned before that in scrims they just go wild and have crazy games, but none of that translates into the actual LCS games. It's like, why the fuck scrim if you're not learning anything by playing completely different?
I blame TSM for not being able to constantly dominate. They wait until dragon to teamfight, Baron to actually push...it's like you have an advantage, start pushing and stop stagnating. It's why they've lost games before against other teams, they wait too long before they push. Other teams take advantage of that and that's why TSM has been losing. Dignitas has little to no mobility aside from Reksai, so who knows what the fuck they were thinking.
Imperfected
Member
They did dominate. Yes, it's boring to watch, but this is exactly what happens when a poke composition dominates. They prevent any sort of engagement to happen and get everything they want without ever really fighting.
Hard pushing and getting engaged on with a poke composition when ahead is exactly how you lose. The only reason to do it is if you're afraid of getting outscaled or split-pushed, and neither of those things were a credible threat with Dig's composition.
You might not want to hear it, but this is exactly how SKT would have played out this game. They don't take stupid risks. They accept free wins when they're offered. That's why they're undefeated. The only difference is there's no Korean team stupid enough to actually try that bad of a composition against them.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Like I mentioned, I'm probably spoiled because of HotS and the constant team fighting and objective taking, but it was pretty boring to watch. And if Dignitas took advantage of this, TSM is usually weakest at midgame because they end up waiting too long, they could've beat them out easily. And they showed it in spades this match. If TSM doesn't get their shit up, then Worlds will continue to be a dream.
Imperfected
Member
Oh no, don't get me wrong, it's super boring to watch, but that's poke compositions by the numbers. TSM played almost perfectly, as sad as that it to say.
Again, the fault is entirely with the state of the game (well, that and Dig again picking an absurdly dumb composition for the current meta). TSM's strategic play, outside of getting zoned out needlessly on that early dragon, was basically immaculate. I would say "get used to watching this type of game", but I think basically every other team in every other region knows how to play against poke, so it shouldn't ever be this bad.
TSM is kind of lucky that C9 can't make playoffs, due to the points they picked up in spring split they can lose every game in the playoffs and still AQ for worlds.
They are guaranteed 110 points even if they finish in 5th/6th, since the winner of summer auto-qualifies the only teams that can beat TSM on points are TL if they finish 2nd/3rd and TIP if they finish 2nd. If TSM wins one series then TL has to take 2nd to overtake them in points and any more wins than that for TSM is AQ.
They are guaranteed 110 points even if they finish in 5th/6th, since the winner of summer auto-qualifies the only teams that can beat TSM on points are TL if they finish 2nd/3rd and TIP if they finish 2nd. If TSM wins one series then TL has to take 2nd to overtake them in points and any more wins than that for TSM is AQ.
TiP Smoothie :^)
This is why need more games and BO2s. The games are so important that NA teams are scared to try new things and mess around. Hell, the Koreans have 42 games to NA's 18. I understand this format is better for viewers, but come on now, things need to change if NA is ever going to get better.
This is why need more games and BO2s. The games are so important that NA teams are scared to try new things and mess around. Hell, the Koreans have 42 games to NA's 18. I understand this format is better for viewers, but come on now, things need to change if NA is ever going to get better.
Shen not even respecting Kennen holy shit
Imperfected
Member
XWX first-building a Mejai's. Maximum disrespect.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
See this is how a game should be played, back and forth, no idea who's going to win. No wonder TSM got dominated by both these teams.
Imperfected
Member
Seriously, guy? This is pure YOLO queue. It's kind of fun to watch, but either of these teams playing this way would get torn to pieces by any Korean team other than maybe Anarchy. The only reason this is even a match is because TIP is being disrespectful and fucking around all over the place.
Ambition
Member
I mean, it's kinda understandable. TiP is going against a team that WILL get relegated so why should they try hard.
Edit: And right after I type this TiP loses a fight. RIP stacks
Stone Ocean
Member
TIP already has a spot in playoffs and TDK is already relegated, might as well have fun with a match that only exists for integrity's sake
Imperfected
Member
I would kind of like to see some discipline from Impulse since they have a bad habit of falling back into this playstyle even in important games, but I can definitely understand them trying to style on TDK of all teams.
They're just having fun, though. There's almost no chance they play this way against Korean or Chinese teams. (Unless it's their last game of groups at Worlds and they've already been eliminated.)
BreezyLimbo
Banned
As the adage goes
The only reason these teams are in NA
is because they would be destroyed by their fellow countrymen in their country
It's like making a smurf in order to shit on newbies because you're not good enough in your own tier, except on a national level
Lame week from NA all around.
Soooo we've got a few battles going on now.
1st Place - Gravity vs. Impulse
Playoff Byes - TIP vs. CLG vs. TL & TSM/DIG
Avoid Relegation (& Worlds?) Cloud 9 vs. Team 8
Probable Promotions Matchups: Team Coast vs. NME/C9 & Cloud 9 Tempest vs. NME/T8
Soooo we've got a few battles going on now.
1st Place - Gravity vs. Impulse
Playoff Byes - TIP vs. CLG vs. TL & TSM/DIG
Avoid Relegation (& Worlds?) Cloud 9 vs. Team 8
Probable Promotions Matchups: Team Coast vs. NME/C9 & Cloud 9 Tempest vs. NME/T8
What a world we live in holy shit
Imperfected
Member
The irony surely must not be lost on them by this point.