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League of Legends Championship Series: Season 5
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thestopsign
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That was just a great game by C9 playing from behind.
More fun game to watch than any game played in the EU LCS this week.
More fun game to watch than any game played in the EU LCS this week.
Prototype Viktor
Member
Sad week for Viktor, first Froggen plays him badly, then TSM fails to force fights against a denied Kog
WesternHeretic
Member
If Bjergsen was on C9 NA would actually send a competent team to Worlds. No seriously how do you dominate mid that hard and get 5 drags and still can't win?
Oh and Balls is now 17-0 on Rumble in the NA LCS.
17 AND FUCKING 0!
HELLO!!!!
Oh and Balls is now 17-0 on Rumble in the NA LCS.
17 AND FUCKING 0!
HELLO!!!!
Imperfected
Member
Yes, TSM losing to C9 in a relatively close game is so completely unprecedented that this will surely be a monumental event. They simply have no context for how to handle this situation; sure it happens literally every season, but this time is different because it's coming after TSM under-performed at an international event.
Oh wait.
That is quite an impressive win rate.
Imperfected
Member
Pffft, major lulz at Incarnation's "they really focused mid". They really weren't, man, you just weren't laning very well.
hey mang
dam...what about eu lcs...
i dont think they were inordinately focusing mid, and he had jitters for sure, but I feel like he did what he was supposed to do and played correctly
im really surprised at how booty tsm played, like I dunno about bjerg's shotcalling even tho they were doing really well w/ basic things. their early top game seems really good now, they timed all their shit well w/ wards, santorin being in the area, etc.
they seem kind of passive/restless too, it's weird
their draft was similar, like i dont really follow league but it kind of seems that they just picked heroes that are strong in general while c9 went in w/ an idea that complemented their newness as a team and had really good synergy and options
also it kind of seems that c9 has internalized the whole scrape shit out of bad situations things that was attributed to hai's shotcalling, they dont seem to be suffering too much in macro shit w/ him gone, tho their comp wasnt that complicated either
Imperfected
Member
Yeah, it's one of those interesting windows into how players think. He probably believed they were focusing mid, thinking there was a Rek'Sai and Thresh waiting in every bush, which explains why he fell behind so bad on CS. He was assuming he was constantly getting camped.
That's something his team probably needs to help him with. Meteos at least should have a pretty firm idea where everyone is across the map, he probably just needs to tell his mid to calm down and stop jumping at shadows.
Ambition
Member
MSI traumatized them
EU LCS is great too, but it doesn't get as much of a showing in here. Probably because it's during the workweek.
Ya, Incarnation did what he needed to do and that absolutely helped them stay in the game.
Imperfected
Member
Casters always trying to find the most polite way to say, "He's actually a good player, he just needs to not be on CLG for it to matter."
thestopsign
Member
Reksai had an early gank that forced a flash mid. It made him noticeably more conservative after and TSM was keeping ward control on any wards he dropped after too. They also took control of C9s blue. So overall that is a lot of pressure on mid without even heavily diving him.
Imperfected
Member
It's pretty mild pressure on a Kog'Maw considering how tempting of a gank target he is, especially for a team like TSM that tends to gank mid early and often. I mean, a Kog mid is grounds for a legit camp, not a drive-by gank or two.
I get why he was scared, but there is a point where you're giving up so much CS that you would have been better off giving up a kill if it meant keeping a lane presence. The entire reason he was losing his blue so much was because he had no lane presence to protect wards and prevent invades. That's what happens when you get scurred.
At some point you've just got to pat the Kog on the butt(?) and tell him to waddle back into his lane. Incarnation played pretty poorly, I'd say, he was just lucky Balls had a freakishly huge backpack prepared for that game. The Equalizers were carrying those teamfights, not the Kog.
Rumble ults were the hot, but i think kog did well outside of laning. He probably could have been more consistent w/ cs and bjergsen was getting kills worth of money but feeding kills to tsm makes them like nba jam on fire so it's good to prevent that. Additionally the rest of the map was doing fine, he just needed to get stacks and ride it out to his item spike
As far as i can tell it's really hard to cs against a viktor who doesnt have to be afraid of ganks w/ kog but i dont really play anymore
I think everyone was surprised how much they left kog alone, thibk tsm psyched themself out w/ how good of a target it was -> c9 probably has a plan for this, but tsm had good wards and a lot of info; theres also the temptation to extend a favorable laning situation at mid but thats dum if you consider the comps
Also it seemed like tsm freaked out everytime they got poked i dunno if they are used to playing against kog
As far as i can tell it's really hard to cs against a viktor who doesnt have to be afraid of ganks w/ kog but i dont really play anymore
I think everyone was surprised how much they left kog alone, thibk tsm psyched themself out w/ how good of a target it was -> c9 probably has a plan for this, but tsm had good wards and a lot of info; theres also the temptation to extend a favorable laning situation at mid but thats dum if you consider the comps
Also it seemed like tsm freaked out everytime they got poked i dunno if they are used to playing against kog
Imperfected
Member
I guess it's to be expected when you don't get any bans, but god what a catastrophic draft for TDK. Gragas, Cass, Kalista, and Gnar. If they gave up an Alistar too it would have been the LCK fantasy come true.
Edit: "Let's do an open-ground dragon fight against a team where every single member has AoE CC," said no one ever. Not that TDK really has any options outside of trying to kite back with Azir across the entire map.
Edit: "Let's do an open-ground dragon fight against a team where every single member has AoE CC," said no one ever. Not that TDK really has any options outside of trying to kite back with Azir across the entire map.
Imperfected
Member
It's pretty normal for Cinderhulk junglers, yeah. Rek'Sai might go Warrior's Enchant instead, in which case she generally needs more tank stats sooner than Sightstone provides and would need to go Randuin's or something, but Gragas is pretty much a pure tank jungler these days.
To some extent it depends on what your top lane and support want to build (you might want a Righteous Glory if neither will build one, and you might be able to wait on the Locket if your support isn't building Mikhael's early), but Sightstone into Locket is super common.
WesternHeretic
Member
TDK had a legitimate shot to win this game, until that dive. Let Quas get huge and carry hard the mid game. Piglet probably had the easiest job in the world just right clicking when Quas is literally 1v5ing.
WesternHeretic
Member
Really like pick and ban for Dig. As long as they don't feed early game I think they gonna all over CLG in the mid game.
Problem is CLG has a good early game or had last split anyways. The Annie just makes Sej job so much easier to lock someone down and Hec will just run wild in the back line while Azir dps.
Problem is CLG has a good early game or had last split anyways. The Annie just makes Sej job so much easier to lock someone down and Hec will just run wild in the back line while Azir dps.
Imperfected
Member
Yeah, she still does the Arrow to the Face. Probably expect to see it mostly as a counter-engage to buy Alistar enough to time to get in and disrupt the Dig wombo-combo.
Then again, it's Doublelift, He'll probably waste it constantly trying to snipe kills cross-map like it's a Jinx ult.
You say that like it's a bad thing :^)
Imperfected
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Like a minute and a half or so, I think? I don't think they changed her ultimate at all, just her passive and Frost Shot really.
Love playing Alistar into Annie so much now that her AA range is trash. She's just toothless against the cow now.
WesternHeretic
Member
Yea CLG early game is just too strong lol. 6 Turrets to 0.
Pretty much. I mean it just survive the early game for Dig but they couldn't even do that. Zion bullied out Gamsu so Zion had TP advantage the whole time. Azingy went bot to gank and they decided to chain CC Aphromoo on Alistar.... so it doesn't do anything. Just absolutely abysmal early game and rotations play by Dig. Pobleter out csing Azir with Kog, I don't know this match up well but they mention that Azir should of been up by at least 10 but instead Kog was up.
I worry for CLG when they play C9, TSM and even Liquid/TIP at this point. And I worry Dig might get relegated lol.
Pretty much. I mean it just survive the early game for Dig but they couldn't even do that. Zion bullied out Gamsu so Zion had TP advantage the whole time. Azingy went bot to gank and they decided to chain CC Aphromoo on Alistar.... so it doesn't do anything. Just absolutely abysmal early game and rotations play by Dig. Pobleter out csing Azir with Kog, I don't know this match up well but they mention that Azir should of been up by at least 10 but instead Kog was up.
I worry for CLG when they play C9, TSM and even Liquid/TIP at this point. And I worry Dig might get relegated lol.
Imperfected
Member
Did the crowd just straight-up start booing Dig for a bit there?
Imperfected
Member
I was saying "boo-urns".
Bring back QTPie. At least watching him lose was fun.