Thx.
As others said it is too early to write C9 off and they may need need time to mesh together, but their macro play is really questionable so far. And losing against Dignitas and Gravity does not bode well.
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Thx.
As others said it is too early to write C9 off and they may need need time to mesh together, but their macro play is really questionable so far. And losing against Dignitas and Gravity does not bode well.
WesternHeretic
Member
They will find their groove and work well together my problem is "how long until they do"?
I just don't see them becoming world class for worlds if they even make it. Maybe in 2016 they will have to figure it out, but not for 2015.
Seems likely, unless they make huge progress. C9 is pretty much Elements right now.
Stone Ocean
Member
Yeah, it's too early in the split to completely write off teams
There's plenty of time for C9 to get their shit together
There's plenty of time for C9 to get their shit together
and for CLG to choke and go into demotionland
Imperfected
Member
There's still time for the Dig unprecedented winning streak followed by the Dig unprecedented losing streak, even.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
TiP playing awful
I always wonder what NA would be like with more good midlaners. TSM wouldn't be able to snowball this hard very often
I always wonder what NA would be like with more good midlaners. TSM wouldn't be able to snowball this hard very often
Sunnington
Banned
I too wonder what NA would be like with more good mids, tops, and junglers.
Imperfected
Member
Two support bans and ADC first pick. I wonder if they're trying to bait Doublelift and Aphromoo into a bad lane match-up by appealing to their pride.
NormalFish
Banned
Wish these teams would swap ADCs...
Prototype Viktor
Member
That level one fog manipulation was beautiful
Brian! Dubbing NA LCS into English since 2013
Brian! Dubbing NA LCS into English since 2013
Imperfected
Member
Incarnation's actually putting pressure on his lane opponent for once, and it's a LeBlanc of all things. I don't get this guy.
Imperfected
Member
I don't think C9 was wrong to contest that dragon, really, they just played it absolutely horribly. As Jatt said, Incarnation either needed to be with the rest of the team, or the rest of the team needed to not be getting themselves plugged up in the pit. (My pick would be the latter, though, I'm not sure if The Emperor's Divide would have actually kept them from eating most of The Equalizer and Sivir damage that killed them.)
Imperfected
Member
Yeah, they just needed to be able to kite back and stay off The Equalizer, and they couldn't do either. The Emperor's Divide only would have done so much to help with it if they were backed into the dragon pit, so in my mind they should have either pulled the dragon out and been ready to run up-river or not been doing it to begin with.
Jatt's plan of "back into the pit and plug the opening with Azir" might have let a few of them get out the back by hopping the wall, though. I guess if Lucian, Azir, and Gragas got out then Impulse at least would have been unable to rush Baron.
Edit: Zirene confirmed higher elo than Incarnation.
Kotetsu534
Member
I think C9 kept getting forced into bad/risky/pressured calls because XwX had tremendous pressure with his LB splitpush. They needed to adjust their draft to head off that threat before it was picked.
Imperfected
Member
Not giving up two shit-tier kills to the LeBlanc to get her started would have been good, too. Like Sneaky and Balls haven't seen one in so long they've forgotten what she does. "Oh right, LeBlanc! The one who makes me lifebar go away if I just stand around someplace I shouldn't be."
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Team Liquidated 8)
Imperfected
Member
Gotta love it when Riot forgets that Ryze is complete cancer.
Kotetsu534
Member
Oh my. Please ban Ryze.
WesternHeretic
Member
Oh Ryze you silly champion.
lol damn you noot
they also picked really bad against him, no azir or gragas to really create a zone between them and ryze
they also picked really bad against him, no azir or gragas to really create a zone between them and ryze
WesternHeretic
Member
What's more disturbing is that they had first pick and their top laner Quas has been spamming Ryze in Solo-Q.
Imperfected
Member
Yeah, the absurd focus on Rek'Sai/Gragas/Sejuani honestly just shows a lack of versatility on the part of the LCS junglers. There are plenty of other Cinderhulk junglers, and while some of them are situational because of problems playing into certain compositions (Amumu, Volibear, etc.), there's almost always at least one that will work and isn't banned, and most of them are stupid easy to learn.
The only one of the "top tier" junglers I actually consider worth the hype is Gragas.
Phreak says no nerfs for Ryze planned for 5.11, they are planned for 5.12.
Pretty much. Gragas is insane right now, but Sejuani is not as ridiculous after the nerf. Move knew how to play Jarvan at least. They are nothing close to Ryze at least.
Pretty much. Gragas is insane right now, but Sejuani is not as ridiculous after the nerf. Move knew how to play Jarvan at least. They are nothing close to Ryze at least.
He got buffed, people learned to max W and now he can put out 4 W in 6 seconds.
meddler already talked about ryze nerfs in the works yesterday, basically they're removing the permasnare because, you know, it's pretty unbelievable that shit got through testing...
5.11 is pretty much locked for next week tho i don't think anyone would mind if they pushed it one week more and got the ryze nerfs in :>
5.11 is pretty much locked for next week tho i don't think anyone would mind if they pushed it one week more and got the ryze nerfs in :>
WesternHeretic
Member
They decided to give him a shield, and a passive that just lulz.
At least with Ezreal you have to hit your spells to keep your passive going. Ryze can just throw the Q nilly willy into the abyss and his passive still goes.
Imperfected
Member
There was a "remake", but it mostly just ended up shifting his power around in ways that weren't particularly well-advised. (He scales more on ability power than before, but he also now gets free tankiness from mana, so he doesn't need to build as many tank items anyway. He doesn't scale off CDR as well anymore, but now he just gets unlimited CDR instead, so he doesn't need to build that either...)
They put potentially huge MR shred on his E, too, so he gets away without even building much Magic Penetration. This all in exchange for making his Q one of the easier to hit skillshots. (Particularly considering in lane you can usually just ult and spam it into the minion wave instead of actually aiming.)
My guess would be that they are scared of Zion playing yasuo against Dyrus.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Bard? FreeSM 8)
Imperfected
Member
Yasuo top is actually pretty strong since they un-nerfed his passive shield, he can bully the hell out of a lot of the meta top picks like Gnar.
TSM winning the hearts and minds with the Bard pick.
TSM picked gnar so it might make sense. They need to put dyrus on something comfortable.