Yeah, I try to read on each week's ten champs. But I forgot that it had switched over already, so seeing the enemy comp was a confusing surprise.
And isn't Heimerdinger just one of the most annoying people ever to face?
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Yeah, I try to read on each week's ten champs. But I forgot that it had switched over already, so seeing the enemy comp was a confusing surprise.
And isn't Heimerdinger just one of the most annoying people ever to face?
I think the fundamental difference here is definitional
Are "beginner" champions:
mechanically easy - low skill floor
OR
easily strong?
For ADC, Dreams is representing the "low skill floor" argument. It's true that MF, Cait, Ashe are easy to understand and easy to execute at some level. This is useful for those people who haven't been introduced to the concept of kiting or having to farm to become strong.
Ghost and maybe a few others represent the "easily strong" argument. Champions like Tristana, Corki, Graves do have a little more nuance to their mechanics, namely skillshots, low range etc. But it's a lot easier to be useful with these champions than the "low skill floor" list as they may have dashes (very useful for beginner ADC since you're paper) or spells (useful because you do not have perfect kite mechanics/understanding of when to auto attack as a beginner)
Low skill floor ADC will be good for first time players who need to learn what being ranged means, having to kite, being squishy etc. But I think they should quickly move onto the "easily strong" camp because to be useful to your team on champions like MF, Cait, Ashe etc is pretty hard and we dont want to frustrate beginners.
But please, Corki isn't a lane bully anymore. You can't reliably hit his Q without CC from your support anymore.
Are "beginner" champions:
mechanically easy - low skill floor
OR
easily strong?
For ADC, Dreams is representing the "low skill floor" argument. It's true that MF, Cait, Ashe are easy to understand and easy to execute at some level. This is useful for those people who haven't been introduced to the concept of kiting or having to farm to become strong.
Ghost and maybe a few others represent the "easily strong" argument. Champions like Tristana, Corki, Graves do have a little more nuance to their mechanics, namely skillshots, low range etc. But it's a lot easier to be useful with these champions than the "low skill floor" list as they may have dashes (very useful for beginner ADC since you're paper) or spells (useful because you do not have perfect kite mechanics/understanding of when to auto attack as a beginner)
Low skill floor ADC will be good for first time players who need to learn what being ranged means, having to kite, being squishy etc. But I think they should quickly move onto the "easily strong" camp because to be useful to your team on champions like MF, Cait, Ashe etc is pretty hard and we dont want to frustrate beginners.
But please, Corki isn't a lane bully anymore. You can't reliably hit his Q without CC from your support anymore.
Dreams-Visions
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fair points, kenbo. I do agree with that assessment.
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He's only annoying if you play it wrong and don't focus down his turrets asap. He works great in Plat and below since people get cocky and think they can just burst him down easily while ignoring his turrets.
Stone Ocean
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I mean, I thought this whole discussion was about "beginner" as in new to the role, not new to the game.
If you're new to the game just pick fuck all and have fun, but if you're trying to actually learn how to ADC stuff like Cait or Varus is the last place you should be looking at.
Also Corki's Q ain't that hard to land. And unless you're laning with a Soraka there will be plenty of opportunities to land it.
If you're new to the game just pick fuck all and have fun, but if you're trying to actually learn how to ADC stuff like Cait or Varus is the last place you should be looking at.
Also Corki's Q ain't that hard to land. And unless you're laning with a Soraka there will be plenty of opportunities to land it.
Mostmanlyman
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I agree with this, some times just diving into the deep end is a good way to learn things. That's how I learnt league there are still some things I don't know.
Dreams-Visions
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Indeed the difference in defining "beginner" here is essential. Conversation amounts to ships passing in the water without context and a basic, agreed upon working definition of the essential elements.
Stone Ocean
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It's just some basic file renaming stuff so your client downloads other files, I dunno the specifics
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Hey guys, if you want to win, listen to guy with common sense.
Surprisingly it turned out alright, LB has quite good peel and her damage was insane. We were able to lock down their Jinx and Oriana with an invade into jungle and everyone was doing well on their lanes. Though we did have our Vi just give up halfway and feed/afk because Tryn top was eating some of her jungle.
killatopak
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Wait what.Brought back the GOAT Login screen
Edit: Riven nerfs
Why?..
Edit:shouldn't be too bad.
Diprosalic
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ah man i wish i had this game recorded. i took TP on accident on my adc and we had a long game, they were pushing our base in we had no chance but i saw super minions down on bot working their way in.
TP'd down and finished it like 1 second before they did.
everybody was confused, they tunneled hard.
it was a terrible game skill wise but i felt amazing.
TP'd down and finished it like 1 second before they did.
everybody was confused, they tunneled hard.
it was a terrible game skill wise but i felt amazing.
you might be right about graves, but i feel kind of not great about those champions. varus in particular is very weird how he works and so is mf. caitlyn also has a lot of strength in her range which is something that's far from immediatelly understandable by new players and she has too many weird spells, i don't think so iether.
ashe is the closest i can think to an easy one
what isn't
fuck heimer -___-
whoa, yeah
not playing for two weeks really changes things
looks pretty nice
yeah i duno why boko says it's hard to land, it's not the easiest, but it's not impossible, cmon
Brilliant. Also I'll chime in and say Jinx is definitely the easiest of the ADC's, along with Ashe. Jinx also feels like the most "fun" with her kit being just so wacky. So satisfying getting two or three or even four kills from rocket while they stupidly run in a straight line down mid.
Jinx is pretty easy to pick up and play, in no small part because she scales really well and has pretty good range.. Ashe is harder than she was but not too bad. I think Sivir isn't much harder if you can press E on command when you see something coming. All of their abilities are fairly easy to understand.
I'd say Varus, Kogmaw, Kalista and Draven are the most complex to do. Varus combos aren't immediately apparent and he has to be good with skillshots and dealing with no escape..Kog is similar with his ult and low cc/self defense. Draven has his axe catching/stack building and Kalista has her leaping to get used to in addition to how her ghosts and ult work.
Most of the others depend on how oppressive their opponent is or how good their support is at making it safe to farm.
I'd say Varus, Kogmaw, Kalista and Draven are the most complex to do. Varus combos aren't immediately apparent and he has to be good with skillshots and dealing with no escape..Kog is similar with his ult and low cc/self defense. Draven has his axe catching/stack building and Kalista has her leaping to get used to in addition to how her ghosts and ult work.
Most of the others depend on how oppressive their opponent is or how good their support is at making it safe to farm.
TP Mid Yasuo is pretty goodYasuo in general feels really good, I don't understand the hate he gets here
Because he is one of those champs where it seems like the one on your team is an idiot who feeds, while the one on the enemy team will be 5/0 10 min in and 1v3 your group ups with ease.
Vayne is in a similar boat.
Why don't you link some ranked matches? I'll be the judge of that.TP Mid Yasuo is pretty goodYasuo in general feels really good, I don't understand the hate he gets here
c'mon Kog is not hard
He's only hard when you play him in a meta where he doesn't work. If you play kog in a meta where he can thrive and you know how to stand at max range of W, it's easy as hell.
His laning is incredibly easy in the right bot lane meta as well.
I say this because even I was good at kog when the triforce-phantom dancer kog build was meta and my ping has always prevented me from attack moving fluidly.
He's only hard when you play him in a meta where he doesn't work. If you play kog in a meta where he can thrive and you know how to stand at max range of W, it's easy as hell.
His laning is incredibly easy in the right bot lane meta as well.
I say this because even I was good at kog when the triforce-phantom dancer kog build was meta and my ping has always prevented me from attack moving fluidly.
I just got tired of seeing him but in the hands of a skilled player he does wonders. I've seen him utilized great in pro competitions. Not sure if I've seen him at Worlds yet but I havent watched all the matches
Ambition
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checkout probuilds.net. Pro players use him mid lane all the time
<assuming the algorithm they're using reliably determines it's a Yasuo mid. But didnt looks at summoner spells myself>
Lol you shouldn't ever respond to newt
lmao thanks for the tip. I have eventually figured out there is a little friction in that area
all the yasuos are absolute shitters so i love running into him in the enemy team
it's such a delicious free win, i just love savouring it, buying mejais and watching them desperately try and dash in circles while i just spam laugh and farm and then kill them when they yasuo because they're playing yasuo and they're the worst
Lol yeah always hate when someone locks in yas on my team and they'll say something like this is an easy matchup, and then they get rekt. I've just been spamming azir in my ranked matches against yas and talon. I just farm right of my turret range, inevitably they'll want to dash on you, to which I ult them back under my turret and laugh. Felt kinda bad for the talon main who kept E'ing onto me and getting walled under my turret every time. Lol
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A good Yas will fuck a Heimer up. A well placed wind wall will negate all your abilities and his shiv crits will obliterate turrets.
pls he gets crushed before he even gets shiv
plus I put them outside of chain range so he will only chain to one at most
plus the turrets are in a triangle so he cant windwall them all if i stand in the middle
also cos theyre in a triangle he cant dash into me to harass me so he can only tornado ult me to start a fight
but I run exhaust
plus a shiv crit does 200 damage, turrets will have 325+ hp when he gets shiv and they have MR
equals yasuo gets rekt
a+b = heimerdinger ggs yasuo
Dreams-Visions
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aiite that seals it. Himmer and Blitz will have to carry me to Gold.
#TeamGAF too bz to help poor dv. ;_;
#TeamGAF too bz to help poor dv. ;_;
Ban rates have always a little slow to match win rates
Somes people ban champions because they find them frustrating, rather than because they are strong.
e.g. Yasuo
Or I ban champions to stop my team from feeding with them. e.g. Vayne. Lol
Ghost is Bad
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it might be a little skewed from him being banned in 95% of games.
Not gonna take that from you obnek.
just played a ranked teams game, their braum started trolling and their team asked us to report him
i really can't understand how ppl can do that lol
arent u playing with ur friends?
few days old konbo
i really can't understand how ppl can do that lol
arent u playing with ur friends?
few days old konbo
Ghost is Bad
Banned
i never saw that before
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