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League of Legends |OT10| Botlane Was A Mistake, It's Nothing But Thresh
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EzekelRAGE
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Nice. Doesnt sound like regular run of the mill champ (If I've been reading right), so I may enjoy playing him.
Also, saw a post on reddit about maybe making Rengar's ult make a global roar sound like sion/rek (idk if it was brought up here). I think that can be a good thing. But it sorta goes against his hunting angle by warning his prey.
Adds another thing for the rengar player to think about which sorta does go with the hunting angle. He has to decide how close to his target he would want to get before he pounces on them with his ult.
As someone he doesnt play Rengar, seems like it would be a nice change. But I dont play Rengar so don't know what negatives that would be for the player.
My predictions for the mage rework are Vel'koz, Lux, Ziggs, Brand, Malzahar, and Anivia. Maybe Swain, maybe Syndra, but they are both a little different. Maybe not Malz, he might be too much of a mess.
This is supposed to be an identity definition rework for immobile mages so I don't expect much for like Lulu/Ori/Heimer/etc. since they already have pretty clear identities and reasons to pick or not pick them into specific compositions or enemies. By contrast, I wouldn't expect to see Ryze/Cassie because their problems are not about identity but about fundamental design.
I like the idea of Ziggs being an anti-building mage but I worry a little that he would be just too oppressive if he were a super safe laner with good poke and global presence who also takes your turret if you try to roam on him. Not sure how to make that not aggravating.
Vel is already an anti-tank mage and I would kind of expect him to just be more of that. Probably means AP ratio on his passive and lower ratios/bases on his other abilities. That weakens his poke ability a bit, probably, but the Vel'koz dream is to land six abilities on one guy anyway and that would only get stronger.
Not really sure for the rest.
This is supposed to be an identity definition rework for immobile mages so I don't expect much for like Lulu/Ori/Heimer/etc. since they already have pretty clear identities and reasons to pick or not pick them into specific compositions or enemies. By contrast, I wouldn't expect to see Ryze/Cassie because their problems are not about identity but about fundamental design.
I like the idea of Ziggs being an anti-building mage but I worry a little that he would be just too oppressive if he were a super safe laner with good poke and global presence who also takes your turret if you try to roam on him. Not sure how to make that not aggravating.
Vel is already an anti-tank mage and I would kind of expect him to just be more of that. Probably means AP ratio on his passive and lower ratios/bases on his other abilities. That weakens his poke ability a bit, probably, but the Vel'koz dream is to land six abilities on one guy anyway and that would only get stronger.
Not really sure for the rest.
Stone Ocean
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A global ult warning would certainly help but it wouldn't fix anything and I'm sure Rengar players will learn how to get around it in like a week.
EzekelRAGE
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Think meddler helped me understand the problem with Vel Zyklon was talking about.
He said something to the tune of how vel plays is unique/ok but what he offers to the team is what the problem is.
Yea, a fix for Rengar overall would be difficult.
He said something to the tune of how vel plays is unique/ok but what he offers to the team is what the problem is.
Yea, a fix for Rengar overall would be difficult.
Terbinator
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I'm such a pants on head Bard player.
I see. Appreciate it!
Actually, if you check probuilds, you'll see that blue build Ez is the standard Ez build right now. A big part of this is that the meta champs are AD, but it's also the huge buffs to IBG. Blue Ez probably does MORE damage once he's built out.
The problem with blue Ez really is that your first buy has zero combat stats (because it's Tear) so even more than other late-scalers you have a painful lane from like 10-20 minutes and can't fight much.
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Also, Blue Ez makes it extremely hard for him to be bullied since as a ranged support, your job is to poke him out. I play Bard and enemy Ezreal built Iceborn Gaunlet first. My auto attacks did nothing to him.
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armor has 0 meaning for poke
almost all poke is ap based
almost all poke is ap based
So I finally find a match with a good team that does decently... and I have no better choice but to pick Thresh (as Nautilus was taken by our jungle) and proceeded to miss every Q and generally unerperform myself. Great.
A short summary of my ranked experience so far:
So yeah, I'm sadly not really feeling any difference between ranked and the other game modes in terms of player behavior. I don't have enough friends to have a ranked team, so playing random people who throw shit at each other for over half an hour is getting tiring. Even the games my team wins often boil down to the enemy team having more awful players than us, which doesn't make for a fun and entertaining experience either.
A short summary of my ranked experience so far:
- Nobody ever coordinates a strategy or composition
- I've rarely been able to coordinate with more than a single teammate during the champion draft
- Everybody's quick to jump on their teammates for any mistake, getting the whole team raging at each other and preventing proper coordiation
- People whine if I don't have all four wards up at all times, but people rarely ward anything themselves
- Perish the though of purchasing a pink ward. Only silly supports carry those
- The lack of coordination and team effort means even teamfights and their outcomes feel really random
- Made a mistake? Forget about anyone trying to explain what you did wrong and how to avoid that in the future, you'll just get flamed
So yeah, I'm sadly not really feeling any difference between ranked and the other game modes in terms of player behavior. I don't have enough friends to have a ranked team, so playing random people who throw shit at each other for over half an hour is getting tiring. Even the games my team wins often boil down to the enemy team having more awful players than us, which doesn't make for a fun and entertaining experience either.
yeah like i said, i think that's less of a problem of ziggs and maybe more of a problem of other champions
i'd be interesting to consider his spells damaging turrets as a unique thing to him but how could that work i have no idea
almost certainly the reveal is gonna be this week, not sure about pbe
oh are we doing this?
lux is actually a pretty defined mage and i think malzahard and swain are probably out of the scope of these updates since they need pretty big reworks
they're also focusing on mana building so tbh i actually expect ryze and cassi and anivia to 99% be on the list.
i expect bigger changes to velkoz, brand and veigar
minor changes to syndra, lux, viktor, xerath, lizzy, karma, ziggs and zyra
and probably stat changes to everyone else
imo velkoz has a lot of fancy schmancy skillshots but in the end he's a dude that shoots aoe forward, sometimes cc, just like every other mage. he's fun to play tho
also it's zkylon, not zyklon you dummie -__-
seekers is pretty good against ad poke
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do u buy seekers on a fkn adc
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the one that actually carries :^)
No that's the other botlaner
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noob
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i thought u were in it for ranked.
As if normal games are an appropriate battlegrounds.
Stone Ocean
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He said glory not gore
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if u cant take it with u then give it to me
WesternHeretic
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I can just give it to him straight up since I haven't used it in years.
Check your PM
Wolf Akela
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Rito Costy is big bro m8
Mostmanlyman
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He is a kind of giving god till you break the rules then he will rain hell fire on to you from the heavens.
So, this time I say I prefer support, but the second player picks Braum. I'm left the choice of jungle or top, and obviously decide to go top since I suck at jungling, and pick Nautilus since he's my only tank-ish character that I know can be played top (didn't want to risk it with Lulu).
The team aske me to dodge to avoid dragging them down, but I decided to give it a try.
Turns out I ended up 3/0/6 with a farily clean laning phase against a Nasus, with thunderlord's decree giving me one hell of an edge since my E made it much easier for me to proc it and keep his health low while mine was high. On top of that, Naut's W allowed me to cancel my attack animation for some burst damage (and often thunderlord's procs) while also shielding me a fair bit against incoming hits.
Halfway through the game Oriana tells me she was wrong for judging me like that since I wasn't half bad after all, and we did okay in the late game as I transitioned into a more support-ish role, marking people with my ult and CCing squishies to death for the rest of the team. I only managed to build lots of defensive items since I don't know what offensive ones I should've built, but it still worked out alright.
The game still ended at 45/16, so it was obviously one-sided (now that I check it, Nasus ended up going 0/10/5)... guess my golden rule of "the team with the least number of feeders/trolls/flamers wins" still holds.
The team aske me to dodge to avoid dragging them down, but I decided to give it a try.
Turns out I ended up 3/0/6 with a farily clean laning phase against a Nasus, with thunderlord's decree giving me one hell of an edge since my E made it much easier for me to proc it and keep his health low while mine was high. On top of that, Naut's W allowed me to cancel my attack animation for some burst damage (and often thunderlord's procs) while also shielding me a fair bit against incoming hits.
Halfway through the game Oriana tells me she was wrong for judging me like that since I wasn't half bad after all, and we did okay in the late game as I transitioned into a more support-ish role, marking people with my ult and CCing squishies to death for the rest of the team. I only managed to build lots of defensive items since I don't know what offensive ones I should've built, but it still worked out alright.
The game still ended at 45/16, so it was obviously one-sided (now that I check it, Nasus ended up going 0/10/5)... guess my golden rule of "the team with the least number of feeders/trolls/flamers wins" still holds.
Peanut Butter
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QuantumSquid
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lol @ the silly people I see thinking new champ is gonna be called virtuoso
that would be like if lucian was called purifier
whatever he is called, I can't wait to see more of him
fingers crossed his name is jhin though, that's a cool name
that would be like if lucian was called purifier
whatever he is called, I can't wait to see more of him
fingers crossed his name is jhin though, that's a cool name
Orochinagis
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Considering his awkward mmmm publicity I am not surprised
i see a lot more of newbie-er/low elo players checking out the thread these days so wanna ask any of u, anything you would like to see on the next ot? we should maybe have a bit of a section dedicated to ppl starting out
we not doto
also jhin doesn't sound apropriate to me
he needs a grandiose name
we not doto
also jhin doesn't sound apropriate to me
he needs a grandiose name
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lame
Orochinagis
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Gustavo Alonso Echeverria
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thats even worse
Peanut Butter
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They should call him Assassin Nate
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what about
moriarty
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Peanut Butter
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Or xXN0SCoP3Xx
Nami's pretty fun! Landing her bubble is super satisfying, though it's hard to get people to capitalize on it without like, voice, I guess. She's got a lot of stuff, though, which is cool, like her bouncing splash and her E ability, which did a ton of work during ganks. Managed to nail most of the enemy team in a jungle corridor with Tidal Wave and set-up for a couple kills off that, which was cool.
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