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[killatopak]

Sooooooooooooooooooo
when are they gonna rework Statik Shiv :V

Not in the near future?

I don't think it's in a bad spot right now. There are more niche items that need to be reworked earlier than static shiv.

 

[Tizoc]

I see it mostly effective on Melee champs, I've stopped building it on my ADCs now.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Shiv is probably better than PD if your supp buys Zeke's

 

[Tizoc]

Shiv is probably better than PD if your supp buys Zeke's

Why's that?

 

[Louis010]

I've just gotten into this game. Normally I stay clear of stuff like this, but friends were playing so I joined in.

It's odd to me that people can stick with a game like this for so long. Characters and items are constantly changing so much that I feel like once I get used to one character it's probably just going to get nerfed or something. Another thing that's so odd is that there are several different gametypes that I like so much more than standard Summoners Rift, but they don't ever keep them around. I'm really surprised ARAM is still around at this point.

That's a big reason I will NEVER invest money into this game. I don't want to put something in and get screwed.

For those of you that have been around for a good while, have you felt like you got royally screwed over by a change, and what was it?

Ive been playing since season one and i can honestly say ive never felt screwed by a change. The game is constantly evolving and leaning to adapt to the new meta is one of the best things. Item changes have consistently been good (mostly. RIP Heart of gold and force of nature :'(.) And champions go from top tier to lower all the time but riot do a good job at trying to keep as many as possible viable.

The champion reworks have been amazing, making champions who were so stale and outdated from season one feel fun to play again, looking at you Sion and Karma. Although lately i do feel like they are trying too hard to turn everything super complex with overloaded kits. The last month or so has felt like they are going the the totally wrong direction.

Fiora is the worst rework i have ever seen, and it isnt just a number tweaking thing, they overloaded her, gave her too much in her kit, making her impossible to balance, and they seem to be trying to make every champion have some sort of "mini game" (Riots words not mine) in there kit (fiora weak spot, GP Barrels, Tahm Kench 3 hit swallow thing). And what they are doing with Morde is just the worst.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Why's that?

Almost guaranteed Shiv proc crits and auto crits plus a cheaper item >>>>> 10% AS and solo dueling power

 

[kenbo]

The champion reworks have been amazing, making champions who were so stale and outdated from season one feel fun to play again, looking at you Sion and Karma. Although lately i do feel like they are trying too hard to turn everything super complex with overloaded kits. The last month or so has felt like they are going the the totally wrong direction.

Fiora is the worst rework i have ever seen, and it isnt just a number tweaking thing, they overloaded her, gave her too much in her kit, making her impossible to balance, and they seem to be trying to make every champion have some sort of "mini game" (Riots words not mine) in there kit (fiora weak spot, GP Barrels, Tahm Kench 3 hit swallow thing). And what they are doing with Morde is just the worst.

:/

Fiora went from a simple dash-auto attacker-ult to kill melee champ to one with mechanical complexity? It is so far from the worst. If your complaint is that its a bad rework because shes too strong, thats one thing, but her kit is now modernised, its fun, it has a higher skill cap and isn't binary feast or famine. thats a success.

1. GP barrels are pretty damn amazing mechanically
2. Tahm kench 3 hit swallow isnt a minigame.
3. Morde is pretty weird I'll give you that, but its called experimentation. And you shouldnt use incredible superlatives when a rework hasn't even been released yet.

 

[garath]

Ashe is pretty much the only adc I still buy shiv on. I'd like to say it's for a reason but I've just been doing it for so long I'm not even sure why I do it lol.

I go PD on every other adc now.

 

[killatopak]

Fiora, Ashe, and GP were good reworks and allowed them to have a better skill cap and rewards good mechanics.

I dunno about Morde but the rest were good in my opinion.

Spoiler

I think FIora is strong at the moment but I still love her. She just needs some number tweaking.

Ashe is pretty much the only adc I still buy shiv on. I'd like to say it's for a reason but I've just been doing it for so long I'm not even sure why I do it lol.

I go PD on every other adc now.

I buy shiv on Sivir. Godly waveclear.

 

[Stone Ocean]

I find it hilarious that people are pondering whether Fiora might be overpowered when the difference between her release state - which was considered grossly undertuned - and her current state is minimal.

 

[killatopak]

I find it hilarious that people are pondering whether Fiora might be overpowered when the difference between her release state - which was considered grossly undertuned - and her current state is minimal.

What? Damn. Fiora must be my bane. I thought she was way overtuned at release and her being buffed scared the shit out of me.

 

[Leezard]

What? Damn. Fiora must be my bane. I thought she was way overtuned at release and her being buffed scared the shit out of me.

It's really rare for a champ to get hotfix-buffed. Reworked Fiora initially had 30-something % winrate.

 

[Stone Ocean]

What? Damn. Fiora must be my bane. I thought she was way overtuned at release and her being buffed scared the shit out of me.

We're with you that Fiora seems to be pretty underpowered and are working on a set of buffs for her at the moment. One of those will increase her mobility, overall though at least for a first set of changes we're looking more to add baseline effectiveness to her. From the look of it we ended up being significantly too cautious about her balance overall.

Official Riot response

kekarooni

Fiora isn't OP by the way. It's just that people keep trying to go back to lane with a Chain Vest to "counter" me and I'm like ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Morde is going to be trash, ugh. I got into Diamond in season 2 with him. Riots doing a horrible job.

 

[Tizoc]

Morde is going to be trash, ugh. I got into Diamond in season 2 with him. Riots doing a horrible job.

Just approach him differently now, try him out as tank and see how it goes. Remember you can get a dragon pet now! So like TP to Drake, get drake pet, rush down bot and wreck people's shit >=3
FYI it applies Rylai's so there's that.

 

[kenbo]

Morde is going to be trash, ugh. I got into Diamond in season 2 with him. Riots doing a horrible job.

I can tell you're upset

 

[killatopak]

Official Riot response

kekarooni

Fiora isn't OP by the way. It's just that people keep trying to go back to lane with a Chain Vest to "counter" me and I'm like ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

I buy Warden's Mail or Glacial Shroud whenever I fight her. Ughh. Should have known better.

Wait. I basically almost always buy Ninja tabi whenever I fight her. Tabi blocks 10% damage from basic attacks but does Fiora's passive count as basic attacks?

 

[Leezard]

I buy Warden's Mail or Glacial Shroud whenever I fight her. Ughh. Should have known better.

Wait. I basically almost always buy Ninja tabi whenever I fight her. Tabi blocks 10% damage from basic attacks but does Fiora's passive count as basic attacks?

Her passive does true damage, so no.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

Looked up one of the old threads to link to someone and saw all the banned brethren

rip

use ur rito sorcery n bring em back

 

[killatopak]

Now I know why I've lost lane a number of times.

I think her Riposte is OP. That is the skill that seperates the good Fioras from the bad ones. I'd like to think that I've fought good Fioras due to them utilizing this skill to me countless times with perfect timing but I did build poorly against them so maybe I'm just bad.

Thanks for the info guys. Good thing I haven't fought one in ranked yet or else it would have gone bad for me.

 

[PhillipCostigan]

use ur rito sorcery n bring em back

There are some things I can do and some things I can't.

Reviving GAFfers from the dead is an example of the latter

idk, bug Opiate

(sorry Opiate)

 

[Stone Ocean]

I buy Warden's Mail or Glacial Shroud whenever I fight her. Ughh. Should have known better.

Wait. I basically almost always buy Ninja tabi whenever I fight her. Tabi blocks 10% damage from basic attacks but does Fiora's passive count as basic attacks?

True damage ignores any form of damage reduction, but Tabi is good anyways since it'll reduce her crit damage and I thiiiiiink it reduces her Q damage?

Anyways, buy damage and HP not resistances. Also using Riposte properly - as in block CC, not damage - is a lot harder than it looks since the counter stab is relatively slow and a lot of her early dueling power comes from it since it has a high base damage and a strong AS slow so make sure to punish her if she wastes it.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

There are some things I can do and some things I can't.

Reviving GAFfers from the dead is an example of the latter

idk, bug Opiate

(sorry Opiate)

worst sorceror ever

 

[kenbo]

Stop this spread of misinformation

It's like saying armor is useless vs vayne

Fiora still does a shit tonne of physical damage. Outside of her passive procs, she has Q and E and other auto attacks in between. Tabi is very excellent for those auto attacks (E counts afaik)

Also lol @ that post rework win rate.

 

[Stone Ocean]

I'm talking early on, not when she starts getting offensive items and ranks in E, a.k.a. don't get armor in your first recall.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Just approach him differently now, try him out as tank and see how it goes. Remember you can get a dragon pet now! So like TP to Drake, get drake pet, rush down bot and wreck people's shit >=3
FYI it applies Rylai's so there's that.

Dragon every 5 minutes

Despite popular belief Morde isnt just about his R

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Hmmm. I think I have decided that I don't like Azir. Style feels so...idunno..."meta"? I had a lot of trouble with high-mobility champs like Yasuo and Lee Sin today. Perhaps was just a bit too aggressive. Long cooldown on Q at early levels makes it feel almost impossible to kill with him, but I probably just don't understand the combos yet.

He is a gank magnet too, btw. No real disengage or escape (Q --> E is laugably short) is an odd match for his skillset which by design pushes lanes really hard leaving you overexposed, and his movespeed is slow enough for the average ganking junglers to get to him and burn his flash. It also did not help that I went all but 1 of 4 games without a single gank on the enemy midlaner at any point in the early or midgame.

But yea, he feels very detatched. Or has felt that way over my first 4 matches with him. Always had the highest CS count on my team @ 10 and 20 minutes. but making him work really well in team fights will take more than a few more matches. I could tell he's really strong, but he also feels more reliant on the team to help because of his rather weak slow. No hard cc, no good chasing power and no real burst like most mids sort of made me feel like I was really good at harassing the shit out of someone but not really being able to put myself in position to actually finish anyone off in a 1v1 unless they were really, really careless. Team fights felt marginally better as I think I got most kills due to the surprising damage that comes out when those soldiers get more than a few autos in. Never felt good about my use of the ult.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

azir is a bullshit mage adc

thats all u need to know about him

 

[Leezard]

Hmmm. I think I have decided that I don't like Azir. Style feels so...idunno..."meta"? I had a lot of trouble with high-mobility champs like Yasuo and Lee Sin today. Perhaps was just a bit too aggressive. Long cooldown on Q at early levels makes it feel almost impossible to kill with him, but I probably just don't understand the combos yet.

He is a gank magnet too, btw. No real disengage or escape (Q --> E is laugably short) is an odd match for his skillset which by design pushes lanes really hard leaving you overexposed, and his movespeed is slow enough for the average ganking junglers to get to him and burn his flash. It also did not help that I went all but 1 of 4 games without a single gank on the enemy midlaner at any point in the early or midgame.

But yea, he feels very detatched. Or has felt that way over my first 4 matches with him. Always had the highest CS count on my team @ 10 and 20 minutes. but making him work really well in team fights will take more than a few more matches. I could tell he's really strong, but he also feels more reliant on the team to help because of his rather weak slow. No hard cc, no good chasing power and no real burst like most mids sort of made me feel like I was really good at harassing the shit out of someone but not really being able to put myself in position to actually finish anyone off in a 1v1 unless they were really, really careless. Team fights felt marginally better as I think I got most kills due to the surprising damage that comes out when those soldiers get more than a few autos in. Never felt good about my use of the ult.

Azir is one of the most difficult mid laners to play on a decent level. It's not uncommon to have to play dozens of games top learn him properly.

Check out his winrate percent by games played on http://champion.gg/champion/Azir

 

[BreezyLimbo]

They should rework azir to be a botlaner

Leave morde alone

 

[kenbo]

what does feels so "meta" even mean

Azir isn't worth it, he's amazing but it takes a lot of effort to get used to him

Play a no skill strong champ like Viktor

 

[jerd]

I've almost achieved a 30% win rate on reksai wish me luck

 

[thestopsign]

I have been craving Ranked 5s for a while now, but haven't been able to pull together a team. Is anyone interested? I am OK with anyone Gold V and up. It wouldn't be too serious, but if you have voice capability, that would be awesome. I main support (but I'm flexible and can play most positions), and I have two friends that are in that are ADC and Mid mains.

 

[killatopak]

One of my friends who is a Plat just had a challenger on their team. Fucking horrible. Turns out the challenger only had the frame and is just a Gold 1.

I don't think it was elo boosted but he may have bought the account. It's bannable right?

 

[BreezyLimbo]

One of my friends who is a Plat just had a challenger on their team. Fucking horrible. Turns out the challenger only had the frame and is just a Gold 1.

I don't think it was elo boosted but he may have bought the account. It's bannable right?

He was either boosted or like you said, bought. Definitely bannable.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

One of my friends who is a Plat just had a challenger on their team. Fucking horrible. Turns out the challenger only had the frame and is just a Gold 1.

I don't think it was elo boosted but he may have bought the account. It's bannable right?

yeah

plus u can pretty much tell he's a fraud

he's playing garen with ignite lmao

 

[thestopsign]

yeah

plus u can pretty much tell he's a fraud

he's playing garen with ignite lmao

Against a Morde I might take ignite. Reduces his healing from his ult and give you even more kill pressure on him.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

but ur garen

u have 0 kill pressure on mages

 

[killatopak]

Against a Morde I might take ignite. Reduces his healing from his ult and give you even more kill pressure on him.

Garen was last pick. Would you even pick Garen against Morde? He's gonna get zoned to hell.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

but ur garen

u have 0 kill pressure on mages

Maybe hes practicing for when the new morde comes out

Garen will run circles around the new morde because they made him molasses

 

[Stone Ocean]

If your analysis on the Morde rework is as good as Fiora's I'm sure he'll be fine

 

[Tizoc]

...I take ignite when playing as Top Garen >_>

 

[kenbo]

 

[Stone Ocean]

...I take ignite when playing as Top Garen >_>

It's one thing to take ignite against someone that you can bully out of lane
It's another thing to take ignite against someone that will bully you out of lane

 

[Ghost is Bad]

ignite's still poopoo top

tp is 10x better.

 

[Orochinagis]

I still dont figure out what to do with sona in late game

 

[BreezyLimbo]

If your analysis on the Morde rework is as good as Fiora's I'm sure he'll be fine

Yeah but fiora sucks right now as a top laner

 

[Stone Ocean]

Yeah but fiora sucks right now as a top laner

I still dont figure out what to do with sona in late game

Ult

You did iiiiiiiit

 

[PhillipCostigan]

 

[killatopak]

Yeah but fiora sucks right now as a top laner

Meddler doesn't think so.

In a boards thread about Fiora, Meddler commented that they currently think she "might be a bit strong" after the hotfix buffs that went out on August 10th.
"Current theory is that she might be a bit strong after the buffs (as opposed to far too weak beforehand). She's performing quite well at present, and probably still has some significant learning curve left for people who've just started playing the rework, so will likely do better again over the next couple of weeks. No immediate plans to nerf her in 5.16 though, her being too strong's very much still a possibility rather than a conclusion."

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