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That's the part I don't get either. But I'm not a fucking mark so what do I know.
PeskyToaster
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I really hate the rune system. It just plain sucks.
Peanut Butter
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Troubled Bat
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4 chests per month, 1 champion per season. I got this.
what are the chests going for?
Stone Ocean
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I guess I should stop looking for fanart on tumblr, finding Kingdom Hearts x League BDSM lesbian porn fanfics is only funny the first couple times, after that you start wondering how our species isn't extinct yet.
The most important runes got cheaper, I guess. That reminds me, I haven't bought a rune page in years.
I know leveling sucks but it is a necessary evil imo. It provides some small barrier of entry to two undesirable elements in a game:
- the non-vested smurf
- the complete and utter newbie in games. Specifically ranked
The former is a problem in any f2p game. The ability to create new accounts is limitless and allows people to play or cheat with abandon with no respect for the people around them. Why do they care? A ban or a shitty ranking will just result in a new account. Easy. Between the time to level and the IP requirements to get basic champs and runes, there is a sufficient barrier of entry to prevent rampant smurfing. It's only a minor issue right now.
The latter is to theoretically give the newbies a learning curve as they level. I dislike tying it to rune slots or mastery points but I think it takes a minimum of 1-30 to even get close to competant at the game for the average Joe. I'd rather not have ranked or even normals that horribly skewed by introducing complete new players to the mix. Let them learn while leveling.
- the non-vested smurf
- the complete and utter newbie in games. Specifically ranked
The former is a problem in any f2p game. The ability to create new accounts is limitless and allows people to play or cheat with abandon with no respect for the people around them. Why do they care? A ban or a shitty ranking will just result in a new account. Easy. Between the time to level and the IP requirements to get basic champs and runes, there is a sufficient barrier of entry to prevent rampant smurfing. It's only a minor issue right now.
The latter is to theoretically give the newbies a learning curve as they level. I dislike tying it to rune slots or mastery points but I think it takes a minimum of 1-30 to even get close to competant at the game for the average Joe. I'd rather not have ranked or even normals that horribly skewed by introducing complete new players to the mix. Let them learn while leveling.
Yeah it's pretty bad. Halving leveling time does nothing when you can't afford tier 3 runes for 20 more games.
I guess they will remove runes entirely for season 7 and bake them into masteries (which would let you have much more powerful masteries), but I kind of wish they'd gotten them out for season 6. Guess they didn't have time.
Are there really % drops for keys on wins? I just see key fragment drops, so you need to hit the percentage and hit it 3 times just to get 1 key and open 1 of your chests.
Orochinagis
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Imagine duo top/mid no jungle in ranked
Stone Ocean
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They'll never remove runes. It's the game's primary IP sink.
Ghostcrawler posted about wanting to remove runes a while back, I think.
IP sink is a fake problem. Soft currencies are all irrelevant at cap. League has players that have been around for six years, they'll never run out of IP. The main effect of the IP sink is to impoverish new players, which runes do really well.
Stone Ocean
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Well yeah, that's the point of a currency sink lol, they're meant to prey on new/not invested players, giving them a reason to want to purchase premium currencies.
I'm all for removing runes. Customization is an illusion.
The reasoning falls apart once you question the need for an IP sink beyond champions...even then, there's doto right there with all champs unlocked.
Stone Ocean
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I don't think IP sinks are necessary anymore, I just don't expect Tecent to drop 2010 F2P practices anytime soon lol
Really, just make more skins. Easy money right there, the League community is crazy for that shit.
lol that's why you leave the fanart collecting to me
not everyone is ready to see what i see
it's the point i added last and the one i wasn't super confident about
at the very least the progression and rewards should be rework to be meaningful of conductive of an actual learning curve rather than a mindless grind that doesn't really prepare you for anything
yeah, i may have gotten something wrong and it's key fragments, not keys that you get
this whole thing is a headache
Orochinagis
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I wonder if the Project first week special borders portrait were a success, I saw the border pretty often when I saw the Project skin champs
Troubled Bat
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Is it bugged or something? There were some people who got S ranked, but it says that I need to own them.. Even though I do own the characters that got the S rank.
Also, why do you guys hate me? I just want to represent GAF. D:
Also, why do you guys hate me? I just want to represent GAF. D:
Stone Ocean
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I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm used to seeing weird shit, it's just that most of the time the weird shit makes sense - Zac and Riven? well ok, tentacle/slime fetishes, I'm down with that - but then you read about Larxene and Soraka doing orgasm denial play and you start wondering who comes up with this garbage.
Also you have zero Soraka fanart, you goatist.
Levelling sucks, but not having all champions unlocked sucks harder. I never really thought about it because I had all champions unlocked (up to when I took my sabbatical at the end of Season 4), all rune pages, and all the runes I could ever need. But I recently finished power-levelling a smurf to 30, and not having all champions (and runes quite frankly) is such a piss take. It literally serves no purpose for the player. Heck, I'd be reasonably happy for them to have not halved the XP requirements in favour of unlocking all champions.
Exposing players to a larger champion pool early on couldn't possibly have any negative impact. Perhaps a compromise would be to have champions unlocked incrementally through levelling.
Exposing players to a larger champion pool early on couldn't possibly have any negative impact. Perhaps a compromise would be to have champions unlocked incrementally through levelling.
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PhillipCostigan
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I wouldn't say there's no chance that we'll remove runes. A lot of people here really don't like them and I can see them going in the future. There would have to be a good system to replace them though, and that might not even cost anything to use. But it requires that system to be ideated on, be good and just overall exist.
There's definitely not an aversion to getting rid of runes, and any scepticism over such a move would certainly not involve things like IP sinks. If we removed them it would be because it's good for the game and better for players, which is why I personally don't see them staying.
There's definitely not an aversion to getting rid of runes, and any scepticism over such a move would certainly not involve things like IP sinks. If we removed them it would be because it's good for the game and better for players, which is why I personally don't see them staying.
Stone Ocean
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I dunno about unlocking all champions but honestly at this point it wouldn't be unfair to give new players some champions to start out. Why force people to go through social networks to get Ali/Garen/Trist? Just give them for free, same goes for all 450 IP champions, why are these still charged for?
I can't really think of a system to replace runes with besides the exact same thing as runes but sort of like a RPG stat/mastery allocation system - you get X points, you can add them to STR/AGI/VIT/etc, adding points to STR gives you AD, adding points to AGI gives you attack speed and some MS, adding points in VIT gives you HP and armor, etc.
Luckily I'm not a game designer so no one needs to be exposed to my lack of creativity.
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PhazonBlazer
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I got nemesis Jax for my free skin, I don't really play Jax so I might just break it down.
I think runes are probably the lesser evil between keeping them or spending time and energy coming up with a sensible alternative. I personally don't have a problem with them, plus all the core runes are cheap enough anyway. They're really not that bad.
Champion availability needs to be looked at waaaaaay before anyone thinks about changing up the rune system.
Champion availability needs to be looked at waaaaaay before anyone thinks about changing up the rune system.
The problem with runes isn't just the huge IP sink, it's also that even if you have them all unlocked, they offer an inexperienced player a huge variety of apparently tiny terrible choices to make with almost zero feedback opportunity because sometimes you don't even know you made a bad rune choice until 25 minutes into the game. (See scaling vs flat AD.)
Then again, the most obvious thing to do is to swallow that power budget up into masteries and that actually carries with it a lot of the same issues.
I might try keeping runes, making them free, and cutting a lot of them. Gold per 5 runes should probably not exist, etc., etc.
Maybe combine them together into multi-stat runes specialized for the role they expect you to be. They can combine runes that wouldn't normally go together and get a discount because champs won't benefit from all of them.
Rune of Kill: AD/AS
Rune of Cast: AP/MP5
Rune of Assassinate: AP/Crit
Rune of Jungle: AS/MP5/Tank
Rune of Sit In Toplane: AD/Tank
Yep, plus you might get some interesting experimentation going on if everyone had the opportunity.
one of those bronzelords could discover an OP rune combo page by being dumb. i for one look to the bronze players for inspiration because lord knows i play like one
Fair point, it was probably a bronze player that originally invented Smite/Ignite Shaco.
Chromas should be the primary IP sink. I really like the idea of Chromas, but they're implemented horribly.
Once you reach level 5 mastery with a champion, you should unlock the ability to buy a Chroma for every skin for that champion. They don't even have to make a Chroma for the base skin. Make each Chroma cost like 10k IP. This would incentivize people not only to master champions but to buy skins. SMITE uses this system.
Players get something, Riot gets something, win-win. And while I understand that making Chromas isn't quite as easy as changing a few sliders, such a system would be another way to keep people invested.
But that's just me.
Once you reach level 5 mastery with a champion, you should unlock the ability to buy a Chroma for every skin for that champion. They don't even have to make a Chroma for the base skin. Make each Chroma cost like 10k IP. This would incentivize people not only to master champions but to buy skins. SMITE uses this system.
Players get something, Riot gets something, win-win. And while I understand that making Chromas isn't quite as easy as changing a few sliders, such a system would be another way to keep people invested.
But that's just me.
I also like the new loot system so w/e.
Stone Ocean
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Chromas is kill
its time
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Hmm. I thought Chromas would become a thing with the new crafting system. I guess Riot still has to work on that pipeline though (something about the process for making a chroma being very similar to making a skin).
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Hmm. I thought Chromas would become a thing with the new crafting system. I guess Riot still has to work on that pipeline though (something about the process for making a chroma being very similar to making a skin).
Stone Ocean
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Oh hey, real nerfs, still kinda meaningless
And before Neko calls for my head on a sitck, http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/03/315-pbe-update.html
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Thats some newt skill right there.
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Who do I have to message to get an invite to the GAF group before the slots are all filled up :<?
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Troubled Bat
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That's what I've been wanting. Lol
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