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Cool, will give her a go.
Black-Wind
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How do you do that, go to their forums?
Yeah, basically.
You get Shards (items), which you can immediately crack to get a temporary item.
If you like the Shard you can combine it with Essence (currency) to get a permanent version instead.
If you don't want a Shard you can combine it with two other Shards to transmute it into a new Shard.
If you really don't want a Shard you can break it down to get Essence.
In general, all of these will require Lockboxes and Keys to get, which you can acquire by spending Money ($$$).
Or you can very slowly grind them by being good at the game.
https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Write up what happened, put the screenshot you put in this thread in, link to the post where you were told it couldn't happen.
PhillipCostigan
Member
I sent this to some of the guys working on this to raise awareness and stuff. Do send in a support ticket as well.
When I used this loot thing to unlock hundreds of boxes on PBE it was pretty good. You can get a permanently unlocked skin or champion from a box without the need to spend essence on it, but that was rare. Usually you get a skin shard and then have to spend the essence currency to unlock it. The re-roll thing is like the trade-up contract feature from CSGO.
Even ultimate/legendary skin shards are available, but they cost more essence to unlock permanently. The boxes don't have exclusive stuff like pax skins, victorious skins, or championship Riven etc. but everything else is fair game from what I saw. The shards can also be for skins/champs you already own too, so I just convert those into essence.
Even ultimate/legendary skin shards are available, but they cost more essence to unlock permanently. The boxes don't have exclusive stuff like pax skins, victorious skins, or championship Riven etc. but everything else is fair game from what I saw. The shards can also be for skins/champs you already own too, so I just convert those into essence.
No limit.
Black-Wind
Member
PhillipCostigan
Member
Ignore this for the moment. Conflicting info.
Hope this helps! (still 100% clarifying though, this is pretty confusing and will be giving that feedback to the team. I'll try and gather as much info as I can and answer your questions/put an FAQ together.)
Stone Ocean
Member
Do you get mastery points from 3v3? If so I'd assume chests are a go.
PhillipCostigan
Member
Ok, got clarification. The FAQ is wrong. You can get skins for champions you don't own even through a reroll, so it's not a bug. Sorry about this folks. The FAQ is being changed.
Black-Wind
Member
Ok, glad that's cleared up now. Guess I'll hold onto it in case I run across 2 more premas I don't like.
yeah but drop rate on those is prolly pretty low
really? i didn't get enough for the shard i got
i'll look into it when i get back from work
PhillipCostigan
Member
Form what I'm told, you don't need to hold it. Any three skin shards, permanent or temp, will turn into a permanent skin though you're not guaranteed one for a champ you own ever
Mostmanlyman
Member
so i got slay belle kat should i reroll it or keep it? i dont really play kat so i think i might reroll it
also how to you get essence, is it only from disenchant them?
yeah it is really odd and really complex
also how to you get essence, is it only from disenchant them?
Black-Wind
Member
Oh, welp I might as well save him anyway cause he doesn't give much dust.
Mostmanlyman
Member
Fuck it im rerolling it.
wait what you need 3 other skins to reroll ok.
wait what you need 3 other skins to reroll ok.
They're sure about the part where you monetize!
I think it is actually a pretty well-done system, although with some bells and whistles that are probably not really core. Like I'm unconvinced about the necessity of temp rewards personally to make the system work. I guess all lockboxes need filler.
Also, as I noted in the club, the UI for opening boxes is really, really bad. I've never seen a lockbox UI before that makes you click like four times to see all your goodies.
That said I am pretty excited to see what they do with their special event lockboxes like the super Annie lockbox that is apparently coming up real soon. Let's go Riot, revolutionize lockboxes.
PhillipCostigan
Member
To be fair I don't work on the system. The people I've spoken to who do work on it know how it works, but some things have changed and we did a poor job communicating it. I've given that feedback already, and I'll try to answer any questions you have.
Mostmanlyman
Member
yeah it is all good. Its not like your the one working on and creating this system.
Give them the feedback that HOW CAN I IMMEDIATELY CLICK TO OPEN ANOTHER LOCKBOX WHEN YOU'RE MAKING CLICK FIVE TIMES JUST TO FINISH OPENING THE FIRST LOCKBOX
YOU'RE SUPPRESSING MY ADDICTIVE RESPONSE
Ghost is Bad
Banned
plat jungling boys
plat jungling boys
Not sure which rune is best? Just run one of each, then you can tell which one is helping you more.
It's not that complicated. You just need to view the shards as a form of currency that you convert them into (essence).
Champion shards can be converted into champion essence which is used to permanently unlock champions only. You can also rent the skin for 7 days but that's dumb. Sometimes you open a box and the champion shard you get is a permanent unlock, so no need to spend essence. This is very rare. Most of the time you get a champion shard that has to be "upgraded" to permanent. You will quite often get champion shards for champions that you already own. Just consider this a form of currency to save and use later when you open a new box and it randomly gives you a shard for something you don't own.
Cosmetic essence is the same idea but instead of using it to unlock champions you unlock skins. You can randomly get skin shards for skins you already own, so if you get those, just convert them into cosmetic essence and use that currency to upgrade whatever un-owned you get in your next box.
Champion shards can be converted into champion essence which is used to permanently unlock champions only. You can also rent the skin for 7 days but that's dumb. Sometimes you open a box and the champion shard you get is a permanent unlock, so no need to spend essence. This is very rare. Most of the time you get a champion shard that has to be "upgraded" to permanent. You will quite often get champion shards for champions that you already own. Just consider this a form of currency to save and use later when you open a new box and it randomly gives you a shard for something you don't own.
Cosmetic essence is the same idea but instead of using it to unlock champions you unlock skins. You can randomly get skin shards for skins you already own, so if you get those, just convert them into cosmetic essence and use that currency to upgrade whatever un-owned you get in your next box.
disenchanting champs gets u champ essence (ahri would be into this wouldn't she) and disenchanting skins/ward skins gets u skin essence
you can randomly also get some from chests as a bonus to whatever shard/permanent you get
also about kat, i'd say if you don't have anything to use the essence with i'd rather just keep it. shards don't have an expiration date unless you activate them, so i'd rather just disenchant stuff in case u get a cool skin shard for one of ur champions or whatever
i got firefox ahri shard so i'm gonna be working towards that i guess
this is such a pointless system too. like for all its complexity it's something you'll barely interact with as the monthly and champion limitations for the chests + luck factor for getting the keys just make it a super rare eventThey're sure about the part where you monetize!
I think it is actually a pretty well-done system, although with some bells and whistles that are probably not really core. Like I'm unconvinced about the necessity of temp rewards personally to make the system work. I guess all lockboxes need filler.
Also, as I noted in the club, the UI for opening boxes is really, really bad. I've never seen a lockbox UI before that makes you click like four times to see all your goodies.
That said I am pretty excited to see what they do with their special event lockboxes like the super Annie lockbox that is apparently coming up real soon. Let's go Riot, revolutionize lockboxes.
i get why they don't just give u a tiny bit of essence every win, but this system feels like it's gonna be so inconsequential. like i'm gonna get like 5 chests a year. it's probably gonna be more but then i need to get the keys for them and all for a bunch of rental skins that might as well be skins i already own lol
all of this does is make rito look good for "giving stuff for free" while opening up another way for them to sell u stuff, and it's really rotten cos it's gambling that they're selling.
i'm really unhappy with the business model direction riot has been going, it's really disappointing
yea i wasn't really referring to you, just how not even the people writing the faq get it right
which is understandable when u make a system this dumb :T
I'm going to reserve judgement until I get into it myself but everything I've read makes it sound needlessly complex.
Maybe I'm too used to the simple CS:GO system: chest drops for playing, sell it for pennies or buy a key to unlock and get random skin. Simple, horribly addicting, hugely profitable (for valve).
It doesn't matter that you get tons of chests. You have to pay real money to open them. It's almost always a net loss. Just the thrill of gambling.
Maybe I'm too used to the simple CS:GO system: chest drops for playing, sell it for pennies or buy a key to unlock and get random skin. Simple, horribly addicting, hugely profitable (for valve).
It doesn't matter that you get tons of chests. You have to pay real money to open them. It's almost always a net loss. Just the thrill of gambling.
Stone Ocean
Member
No 1% crit? No wonder he's not diamond
plat jungling boys
how about this crazy idea
you don't add vicious, exploitative elements to your already insanely profitable game
Ghost is Bad
Banned
dont see the point of buying chests if you can just buy the skin on sale for less.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
yeah but for the low cost of 10 dollars you can get the chest instantly :^)
But I never win at this game.
comes with the key too!
Stone Ocean
Member
I guess you need a trading system for that to work?
Support is still the least popular, so having support/fill as one of your choices means you'll get support.
Dreams-Visions
Member
tbwh, Zilean with Master Yi in particular is just cancer.
But how will they make more money without exploitation?
Also, I just realized I can't just get S ranked for shard drops. I get shard drops, but I have to get 3 key fragment drops to get a key? Do key fragments only drop on S ranks, or just randomly? I guess I should be glad the keys CAN drop, unlike CSGO / TF2.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
The Master Yi + Kayle comps tilt me off the face of the earth.
Troubled Bat
Member
I just got the dragon ward in the chest. Yesssss.
I don't think so. Trading isn't necessary because you just give them so many lockboxes that nobody ever runs out.
Like here's a very basic conventional lockbox design:
Every time you finish a game, you have like a 30% to get a lockbox. It's not optional, it just drops into your inventory.
Every time you get an S in a game you can spin on a random reward wheel. One of those rewards with like 1% chance is a key. (This part isn't even necessary, it works fine to have no way at all to get keys apart from monetization, although maybe not for League.)
Lockboxes show up in your UI on some page you go to a lot, probably runes/masteries.
Contents look basically like the contents in their current lockbox system, probably with more exclusive skins (I expect that these are coming).
Done, collect bacon.
So Riot is doing a lot of things differently here, I assume mostly deliberately to make the system relatively more positive-seeming to the average League player. League's fostered kind of an anti-spending culture so there's probably some penetration work to do. The FF20 posts suggest that there will be a big focus on special event lockboxes, which I'm interested to see work out.
This is a complex discussion. I don't really think lockboxes are way more exploitative than anything else the gaming industry does, like we're in the business of providing cheap dopamine hits, but I can understand the disgust reaction because they are a lot like gambling.
At least at $10 a pop it's not slot machine prices!
is this a philosophical question or like a rito business question
cos like if we're not being philosophical then skins are a perfectly unexploitative thing. they have a set price and you choose to buy them or not depending of if the price makes sense for you and if you like the skin. there's no speculation or tantalizing "omg i got all these chests but no keys!" element or any other addictive gambling shit
i think you're mixing shit up here
i'm not 100% sure if it's s- or higher or if it's s+, but you get that and you get a chest. you can only get this once per champion and four times a year
then there's a % drop for keys whenever you win games. the % is higher if you play with friends
you open chests with keys and you get different loot, in the way of permanent unlocks or shards. shards are temporal skins, champions or ward skins and can be combined with essence of its same type to be made permanent. to get essence you disenchant loot, skins give u skin essence, champs give you champ essence. you can also reroll three of the same type of loot for a new one
there's some more dumb stuff to it but that's the general jist
it's not that complex
remove the following from the game:
- leveling
- ip boosts
- runepages
- regional restrictions
- mystery boxes
- chests and keys
spend all that effort into making more/better skins
game will still make a shitload of money, only now without compulsive or exploitative elements
at the very least don't pile up the downright evil bullshit