I think this is actually a bug with new champ select. You didn't used to be able to play free champs in ranked.
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I think this is actually a bug with new champ select. You didn't used to be able to play free champs in ranked.
Hydrophobic
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This is my feeling about the new Shen too. I feel like if you get into a matchup against a ranged top laner and he's not significantly worse or you're not significantly better, it's going to be a tough lane.
nope
contologics
Banned
I would like to hear the reasoning for Illaoi and especially Fiora. Also Viktor Lol, Im surprised you didn't have shaco in the jungle section.
Stone Ocean
Member
Illaoi relies on her laning to be useful. If she doesn't stomp then she's irrelevant because her kit has little to no utility.
Stone Ocean
Member
Fiora is like the Yasuo of top lane. You gotta be decent with her otherwise you get stomped
Agreed on Ori, but no one plays Ori but high level people so whatever.
Agreed on Ori, but no one plays Ori but high level people so whatever.
Illaoi is a teamfight/area control juggernaut, which is just really hard to play effectively. Even other juggernauts can kite Illaoi, because without a tentacle nearby she doesn't do anything.
I don't really think that's a player problem, I think the champ itself is just designed for a situation which very rarely comes up in the current meta.
Fiora is a melee carry like Yasuo and has many of the same problems, except that she's stronger in lane at the cost of having even less utility. Everything she does is offense -- even her utility (ult) is offense! So a bad Fiora contributes basically nothing to the team. Also pretty much every matchup with Fiora is a skill matchup because of her W.
I don't really think that's a player problem, I think the champ itself is just designed for a situation which very rarely comes up in the current meta.
Fiora is a melee carry like Yasuo and has many of the same problems, except that she's stronger in lane at the cost of having even less utility. Everything she does is offense -- even her utility (ult) is offense! So a bad Fiora contributes basically nothing to the team. Also pretty much every matchup with Fiora is a skill matchup because of her W.
good darius players are completely oppressive in lane and even if down 3 or 4 kills still puts out a ludicrious amount of damage in a teamfight
illaoi feels like the intended purpose of the champion fits a meta like season 1 or 2 when mobility wasnt as free and easy to come by. if she had been released then she'd have wrekt everything and then been reworked in the juggernaut update
Good Yasuo players can completely turn around a teamfight with a well placed q. That's not the point.
yo i play ori and i'm not no one
draven is rare but whenever i've seen him played i've gotten hard carried so idk, probably not on my personal list
Black-Wind
Member
That happened last night ..
Guy decided not to ban him but the Bot guy decided to change to Twitch. They got into it again and someone Dodged.
contologics
Banned
Yep, sounds like Allowee alright. I find building Ice Gauntlets first way more useful than building steraaks or bc. Then Mallet especially if you have Supressor mastery. I dunno, I love expecting ganks then positionin my self for the gank to dunk for a double lol.
Fiora... Eh.. Fuck that broken bitch.
I only use her when I want to secure a win since it's so easy to stomp.
Fiora... Eh.. Fuck that broken bitch.
I only use her when I want to secure a win since it's so easy to stomp.
i disagree. it's really easy for a darius to build super tanky, spam Q and auto things and kill it in an R, while surviving the fight.
it's really difficult for a yasuo to do anything outside of master. darius can be used at any elo effectively.
apparently rito took my frostqueen blitz and deemed him to be a duelist, because i am now one of blitzcranks duelists
Fiora is like so easy to stomp lane though. Even if she falls behind early, she'll still win 1v1 once she hits 6. I don't even play top and I stomp lane with her when I've played her.
The trap she falls into is really failing the teamfights. I watch so many fed fioras just suicide over and over thinking they are godly because they were 1v1 and 1v2'ing with ease in the laning phase.
I don't mind having fioras on my team. I just know I have to create splitting opportunities for her and give her the vision to dominate the top half of the map early.
The trap she falls into is really failing the teamfights. I watch so many fed fioras just suicide over and over thinking they are godly because they were 1v1 and 1v2'ing with ease in the laning phase.
I don't mind having fioras on my team. I just know I have to create splitting opportunities for her and give her the vision to dominate the top half of the map early.
Whomever banned Jhin & whomever dodged did the right thing. That lobby was going to be toxic from the get-go.
% health true damage is so stuuuuuupid. Please revert it into physical, or magic please, so there's at least SOME counterplay.
I get why Vayne has it, it fits her identity as a tank-buster, and her kit enforces it as such. Fiora, there's just no need.
Terbinator
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Nunus Light #neverforget
This is so weird. Fiora shows you which 90 degree angle she needs to be in when she hits you, and it's your job to not let her hit you there. Counterplay doesn't just mean "I can buy an item to beat her." Just don't stand in a place where she can Q your vitals, or if she does Q you, then outplay her W. If she blows her ult in lane, just bail out.
Who are you guys playing into Fiora?
imo fiora is just a numbers problem
% hp true dmg is not a problem on vayne and it's not really on fiora, fiora's problem right now is that she has access to that too easy and that she can build quite heavy for a light fighter and still pretty much oneshot carries
i think she should be forced to itemize more dmg to get the same effects (as in, lower bases, and higher ratios to compensate, not necessarily in the same rate) and whatever survivability she lost just put it into riposte (maybe reduce cd if correctly riposte'd, idk)
% hp true dmg is not a problem on vayne and it's not really on fiora, fiora's problem right now is that she has access to that too easy and that she can build quite heavy for a light fighter and still pretty much oneshot carries
i think she should be forced to itemize more dmg to get the same effects (as in, lower bases, and higher ratios to compensate, not necessarily in the same rate) and whatever survivability she lost just put it into riposte (maybe reduce cd if correctly riposte'd, idk)
The biggest weird problem I see with Fiora's design is that she's actually deliberately designed to scale badly with crit (because both halves of E get reduced benefit), which is antithetical to what I thought was Riot's normal melee carry strategy of just making them build ADC items.
So I don't really disagree, and I think basically she should get somewhat lower numbers but get crit scaling in her passive and Q and maybe reduce the crit penalties in her E. Then she has to build Zeal like all the other carries and can't just pick up Titanic and be beefy.
But overall, like, I don't really understand the deep hatred for her, I think she's very strong right now but I don't really experience her as oppressive in lane.
it's probably to push her into hydra builds cos waveclear is so important for solo laners and a sort-of-squishy melee champion with no ranged spells or other waveclear other than autos is probably in trouble without it
hydra is definitely gonna be core on her and other stuff would probably shift her more into an assassin or bruiser route or something
looks great, series 2 off to a great start
hydra is definitely gonna be core on her and other stuff would probably shift her more into an assassin or bruiser route or something
looks great, series 2 off to a great start
thats the thing. she's not oppressive in lane. you can put her behind early but you can NEVER shut her down completely unless your jungler is legit 100% camping her over and over and over. as soon as she hits 6, she can obliterate any lead you got on her unless it's a totally astronomical one.
Stone Ocean
Member
Fiora is supposed to be someone that can 1v1 anything in the game, she needs the passive so she can beat tanks and juggernauts.
you should be rewarded if you out duel what is designed to be the ultimate duelist. as it is, you just put a small road bump in her power spike that allows her to 1v1 nearly anyone at level 6 regardless of what happened before that
Stone Ocean
Member
You can still beat her at 6, even more so if she's behind. Out dueling her shouldn't mean "she's irrelevant", her kit is meant to turn disadvantages around if you play right.
her kit might be meant to do that, but right now her "kit", at level 6, means get a Q proc on a vital, press R, walk around and hit all vitals and win fight. riposte something in the middle of that.
it's absurd how easy it is despite what you've done before that. there's outplay and then there's "lol cena wins" level 6 fiora.
Stone Ocean
Member
Nerf the things surrounding the ult then. Reduce the MS she gets early, how long she has to proc the vitals, etc.
What I think is stupid about her is that Riposte has a slow/AS slow, it's unnecessary, if you bait Riposte she needs to suffer for it. That's another thing that could be hit, make it so she can't just use it to chase during ult with the slow.
What I think is stupid about her is that Riposte has a slow/AS slow, it's unnecessary, if you bait Riposte she needs to suffer for it. That's another thing that could be hit, make it so she can't just use it to chase during ult with the slow.
if you just turned the %hp true damage into physical, it would solve a lot of problems.
true damage is fine as a stat.
%hp damage is fine as a stat.
bundling them up on a champion like that is just asking for trouble, especially when they have the ability to cancel out nearly any form of cc/damage with an ability.
true damage is fine as a stat.
%hp damage is fine as a stat.
bundling them up on a champion like that is just asking for trouble, especially when they have the ability to cancel out nearly any form of cc/damage with an ability.
Stone Ocean
Member
Deleting her from the game would certainly solve things, yeah.
You act as if armor is irrelevant vs her when competitive Fioras are forced to rush Cleaver to stay relevant. Her passive is not the problem. Not saying she's fine mind you, but the passive is the wrong place to hit.
You act as if armor is irrelevant vs her when competitive Fioras are forced to rush Cleaver to stay relevant. Her passive is not the problem. Not saying she's fine mind you, but the passive is the wrong place to hit.
i think that wouldn't be good, maybe yes to the attack speed slow but i think having a bit of utility is always good to avoid making champions too one-note
why ban yasuo? everyone is so good with him
I ban that shit.
Stone Ocean
Member
I'm not saying she's bad vs tanks but armor + HP does help.
I gotta say, maybe doing what Zky said and making her more item dependant could work I guess. Not that it matters since she'll probably go crazy with Duskblade, fuck that item.
The slow isn't used for utility, it's used to snowball harder. She has a stun she can use, Riposte being something you can just throw is dumb.
Mostmanlyman
Member
I agree
I'm always fascinated by stuff like this, it's like outsider music. Somehow somebody got the idea that AP Udyr was a good idea. How and why? It invites so much curiosity.
It wouldn't be good without the 10% move speed that runic echoes gives. With that and swifties he just flies
I do too, until we had one guy on our team that wanted to play it. It was insane.