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[Peanut Butter]

This is where the "playing to win" mentality gets on my nerves, since that slight edge you're looking for relies upon thinly-veiled insults in all chat to tilt your opponents into playing worse which, oh look, fits the definition of bullying! Professional fighting game players don't need to go "get rekt" after a perfect or an amazing read, and I'd rather enjoy good sportsmanship than having to endure a bunch of tryhard spikes actively trying to tilt their opponents.

Yeah, you can always mute people as soon as you see they start to flame, but even then that's just a band-aid because you did get treated to at least one petty insult, all while the guy's unsporting mentality probably remains unchanged.

REgarding emotes, I'd be all for decoupling what your own emotes from what the rest of the players's clients see if you happen to spam them too many times in a short span of time. That way, you'd get to fool around with animations and voice lines to your heart's content while the rest would see and hear them only once in a while.

Well, if someone feels like they got personally insulted just because someone said "gg easy" at the end of a game, I don't think that person should be playing with real people because that's crazy imo.

I don't go into every match with the goal of starting something in /all. I usually start to type in there when someone shows signs of tilting. If the enemy top laner starts to complain in /all that he's only getting camped because our top laner is bad, I'm going to keep going there, and I might throw in a " " or a "You okay, buddy?" because I know that will make their blood boil, and it will usually make them play worse.

If I'm getting demolished in a game, and the enemy is taunting with mastery emote spamming or roasting me in /all, I never give them the satisfaction of a response and I just focus on trying to win so that way the single "gg easy" that I'll type if we win makes them look dumb.

Like I said, there's a huge difference between the stuff I'm talking about and legit flaming, where people use profanity and other kinds of slurs that are actually insulting. That should be punishable/bannable. Not telling someone that "Co-Op vs AI is all the rage" if they're 0/5 in 6 min and going on soliloquies in /all complaining that their team is trash.


I get where people are coming from on this topic tho. I just grew up with a different mindset.

 

[Terbinator]

Mastery emote spam is the best. It's never not great. It exposes who the weak players are.

I wish I could lock myself at the lvl 4 shitty one to tilt people even more when I spam it over their dead body.

:lol

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Well, if someone feels like they got personally insulted just because someone said "gg easy" at the end of a game, I don't think that person should be playing with real people because that's crazy imo.

I don't go into every match with the goal of starting something in /all. I usually start to type in there when someone shows signs of tilting. If the enemy top laner starts to complain in /all that he's only getting camped because our top laner is bad, I'm going to keep going there, and I might throw in a " " or a "You okay, buddy?" because I know that will make their blood boil, and it will usually make them play worse.

If I'm getting demolished in a game, and the enemy is taunting with mastery emote spamming or roasting me in /all, I never give them the satisfaction of a response and I just focus on trying to win so that way the single "gg easy" that I'll type if we win makes them look dumb.

Like I said, there's a huge difference between the stuff I'm talking about and legit flaming, where people use profanity and other kinds of slurs that are actually insulting. That should be punishable/bannable. Not telling someone that "Co-Op vs AI is all the rage" if they're 0/5 in 6 min and going on soliloquies in /all complaining that their team is trash.


I get where people are coming from on this topic tho. I just grew up with a different mindset.

if everyone had the same mindset as you, toxicity wouldn't exist. But the fact is, there are people that get baited, or are wound up in a tight ball while playing the game, that can be set off by a 'gg ez'.

I mean, blizzard gets it. They already filter 'gg ez'. Not only that, but there was a funny case of when WoW was in beta, that the Undead race were able to communicate with Human players. What they discovered was that the Undead players would grief humans through chat, after ganking them constantly, so they decided to break lore and remove the option for Undead to communicate to humans.

The point is, if the option is there, people will abuse it. You might not think 'gg ez' is insulting, but it definitely can be seen as bullying to another player just trying their best. All chat is just a nasty boil that needs to be removed. Emotes/mastery spam can come later, but all chat really doesn't help. You said it yourself, the only times you use all chat is to tilt the opponent. And you might not think it's harmful, but your intent definitely is. League is a game alot of people take seriously, so why should people stop taking it seriously when you think it's all fun and games and open up all chat to 'tilt' the other person?

 

[Newt]

Again, you guys are chasing after a problem that doesn't really exist. If Riot got rid of all chat, there would be massive backlash.

All chat just makes the game more fun. It's off by default, but the majority of people turn it on.

Sure people can abuse it, but let the report system deal with that.

 

[Peanut Butter]

You said it yourself, the only times you use all chat is to tilt the opponent.

That's not what I said. I was explaining what it would take for me to go into all chat if the purpose was to start playing mind games.

I use all chat for fun all the time. I play with the people in LoLGAF pretty often, and they always see me tell bad jokes, ask people what their favorite fast food spot is, and a bunch of other random stuff in order to kill time. Or I might give someone a compliment on a cool summoner name, etc. It's not always negative.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Again, you guys are chasing after a problem that doesn't really exist. If Riot got rid of all chat, there would be massive backlash.

All chat just makes the game more fun. It's off by default, but the majority of people turn it on.

you haven't given one good reason of why all chat is a necessary component, and I don't see the backlash being strong enough. Out of all the things, the only people who would care about all chat are the toxic fucks.

And toxicity is a problem that exists. All chat contributes to that. All chat, in this team game, isn't necessary as you can already communicate with your team. Simple as that.

That's not what I said. I was explaining what it would take for me to go into all chat if the purpose was to start playing mind games.

I use all chat for fun all the time. I play with the people in LoLGAF pretty often, and they always see me tell bad jokes, ask people what their favorite fast food spot is, and a bunch of other random stuff in order to kill time. Or I might give someone a compliment on a cool summoner name, etc. It's not always negative.

Which is why I've been saying to remove all chat in ranked play. Custom games/normal games sure, keep it as those tend to be more relaxed. But it really isn't needed in ranked games. And your 'mind games' aren't mind games, they're just being a jerk after a certain point. If you see someone doing bad or making mistakes, going in and saying 'gg ez' is just being a dick at that point. It really doesn't help anyone to do that.

 

[Newt]

Just because something isn't necessary doesn'tean it's not worth having. I feel like you're just grasping at straws looking for problems.

Just because people are toxic in all chat doesn't mean everyone should be punished by removing the system. There's a fair amount of people who use the system without abusing it.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Just because something isn't necessary doesn'tean it's not worth having. I feel like you're just grasping at straws looking for problems.

Just because people are toxic in all chat doesn't mean everyone should be punished by removing the system. There's a fair amount of people who use the system without abusing it.

That's literally the reason they removed ping from the load screens.

Sure, it wasn't necessary(And as you would say, doesn't mean it's not worth having), but they removed it because it contributed to the toxicity. "We're losing because X is lagging". Like you said, isn't necessary and yet Riot removed it anyways.

Again, removing all chat from ranked games would help more than it hurts. There is no reason to be chatting to the enemy team in a ranked team, except to either tilt them, or to create problems. Either way, it doesn't help anyone. Yeah, in a custom or normal game where someone learns a champion, it can be useful, but I would imagine that the benefits of it are outweighed by the negatives.

Like....there is no good reason to have all chat in a ranked game. It's an avenue to be toxic, and it's a distraction on top of that.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

I must be in the minority, but all chat with the other team is fun for me 90% of the time. I just had a Ranked game last night we won, and even while the other team was losing both teams were joking with each other in the all chat. Nothing mean or anything---just genuinely having a good time, poking fun at shit going on in the game. It happens pretty frequently that I have a good time in there. On the flip side, I've muted my own team so many times I can't even count, all while leaving the other team unmuted.

 

[JulianImp]

While provoking your opponent in a 1v1 game is entirely up to you, I personally draw the line once teammates are involved, since you'd probably be taking the rest of the enemy team hostage by feeding a flamer/troll. Pragmatism is acceptable for me, but I've been on the other side of having a tilted teammate demolishing team play, and I'd never wish that to anybody.

I can't say I don't enjoy it a bit when people spam laugh or mastery and then do some abyssmal misplay though, but I'd rather not try to tilt them since I know how awkard it can be when you're the one messing up after flaunting, and don't take it personally when people get back at me after that because it feels deserved.

 

[Fracas]

Played Jhin for the first time this season and good lord, lethality is a terrible stat

 

[zkylon]

new rito promo is really neat

they're really stepping up their game with those ads, i'm kinda hoping some day the league models will be good enough for cutscenes and stuff

also all that crafting stuff is all payed for? lame

I'm surprised there's so much complaint on auto fill. I hardly get autofilled.

yeah, it happens fairly rarely for me too

Costy, can you explain the decision making behind replacing PiraTechnics with what appears to be his soap-opera evil twin?

Edit: I'm hyped to see 10 bans in the LCS now too.

Edit2: I love seeing Khazix. Please ban Zyra.

what's the piratechnics drama?

Yeah, something along those lines.

i don't think that's something that's needed in the game right now, since lane safety is the price u pay for roaming and you can even mostly avoid any risk by just doing a first base mid roam for a flash trade or whatever

like idk, bard has it cos his roams are pretty hard to pull off, but someone like thresh can gank really easy so idk if u want to give him that power as well

unless they're trading it off for something like self-tankiness or whatever

supports really need redemption and locket to be nerfed right now, as well as malzahar, that's about it for the class atm i feel

Yeah, there's no reason to have all chat on unless you want to dabble in toxic stuff

i mostly turn on all chat so i can report people, but i've grown really thick skin over the years and nothing anyone says ever bothers me anymore

and someone gotta weed out the flamers

Just because something isn't necessary doesn'tean it's not worth having. I feel like you're just grasping at straws looking for problems.

Just because people are toxic in all chat doesn't mean everyone should be punished by removing the system. There's a fair amount of people who use the system without abusing it.

it's a shit system that doesn't do anything good so i'd probably remove it, but since it's also an opt-in thing, ppl that don't like it can just disable it and that's it

also it's interesting ppl mention lyte, in the latest ask riot, i'm glad they seem to still be having a lyte-like approach to toxicity and player behavior, even if the radio silence since his departure really makes u feel like they've given up

i kind of miss the tribunal lol

 

[drawkcaB]

and you can even mostly avoid any risk by just doing a first base mid roam for a flash trade or whatever

Tell that to my dumbass ADCs. 5 games in a row my ADC died when I went to roam. I've been playing so much that I don't feel sorry for the current state of ADCs aymore. In the depths of Wood 4 they're their own source of misery.

 

[Talents]

Tfw you hard carry a game in a role that isn't mid

 

[zkylon]

Tell that to my dumbass ADCs. 5 games in a row my ADC died when I went to roam. I've been playing so much that I don't feel sorry for the current state of ADCs aymore. In the depths of Wood 4 they're their own source of misery.

honestly, you should probably roam less then

in the end, if you wanna win you need to be what ur team needs u to be, not the other way around, cos if u want them to be what you need then you'll always be disappointed

Tfw you hard carry a game in a role that isn't mid

i had one game of that as top ryze

i've lost all my other not mid games lol

 

[Ketch]

Have they said when WW and the practice mode are being released?

 

[zkylon]

oh there's also no personalized sales either in lunar revel

sucky event all around i guess, gambling sucks

Have they said when WW and the practice mode are being released?

probably in two weeks

 

[BreezyLimbo]

oh there's also no personalized sales either in lunar revel

sucky event all around i guess, gambling sucks

gambling is only fun when it's in overwatch

Spoiler

srsly those unique event box opening animations are so good

 

[zkylon]

gambling is only fun when it's in overwatch

Spoiler

srsly those unique event box opening animations are so good

gambling is the worst part about overwatch

 

[Black-Wind]

I hope that with the tank rework they make more tanks LIKE Poppy and Zac and some others. Interesting kits and play styles, not the dated stuff you see in other tanks that make them soooo damn boring.

Popping someone outta their dash with W is some good shit, gives something new to the game IMO and adds more to a tank.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

gambling is the worst part about overwatch

I treat it the same way as league, and every other f2p

if I keep playing it and enjoying it, I'll dump 20 dollars

 

[Ketch]

Next time I auto fill top I'm just picking Tristana anyway.

 

[JulianImp]

Tell that to my dumbass ADCs. 5 games in a row my ADC died when I went to roam. I've been playing so much that I don't feel sorry for the current state of ADCs aymore. In the depths of Wood 4 they're their own source of misery.

Yeah, I also get that a lot. Like, last game I really helped my adc score some kills, but he was like "ffs, useless support" the moment I decided to rush by the rock things to tank a couple hits with my voidlings for our jungler, who would've otherwise gotten himself executed due to improper health management. But of course I was the one to blame for not being there when our overpushed line got ganked, yeah.

Lower ELO tends to be hell with that, since adcs often get so used to being saved from their mistakes by their support that they eventually take it for granted, do unsafe stuff while alone, and then blame it on the support not being there to bail them out.

 

[drawkcaB]

honestly, you should probably roam less then

in the end, if you wanna win you need to be what ur team needs u to be, not the other way around, cos if u want them to be what you need then you'll always be disappointed

...hence the roaming.

 

[zkylon]

i seriously need to learn how to play a top laner, i'm literally feeding every game i play top lol

or maybe go back to adc second and play corki

I treat it the same way as league, and every other f2p

if I keep playing it and enjoying it, I'll dump 20 dollars

eh, it's a slot machine, i don't like games turning into a casino

i pay $40 for overwatch, i don't want to get nickel and dimed over their garbage skins

they're not even good compared to league

fuck loot boxes in every game

...hence the roaming.

but if ur adcs are all getting killed on their own then it's probably not a great idea?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

i pay $40 for overwatch, i don't want to get nickel and dimed over their garbage skins

they're not even good compared to league

wut

League is a game where the splash art is better than the actual skins 99% of the time.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

i seriously need to learn how to play a top laner, i'm literally feeding every game i play top lol

or maybe go back to adc second and play corki

Agreed on top laner! As a main mid, I enjoy top quite a lot. I'm new to it though, so not great. But it has that loner feeling of mid for me. Support used to be my second, but that position and jungle really started to wear my love of League down, mostly because of how much I got yelled at for being garbage or "no ganks. gg" whenever I so much as blinked. With top and mid, I'm mostly left to my own business.

wut

League is a game where the splash art is better than the actual skins 99% of the time.

Yeah---but that really isn't anything against League. There are a bajillion games where the art itself is better than the actual characters/environment/whatever. I'll say I love Overwatch just to get it out of the way, but I think compared to League it's skins aren't as creative and fun. That isn't to say there aren't creative and fun ones with Overwatch, and surely (hopefully?) it'll get better as it goes.

 

[SenorArdilla]

What if Riot changed some of the ADCs like they did for Graves and Quinn so they can go lanes other than bot?

 

[Wolf Akela]

What if Riot changed some of the ADCs like they did for Graves and Quinn so they can go lanes other than bot?

I would like that, but that'd require so much tuning, particularly making them rely less on gold and more on levels.

I'm just sick of the seeing the same meta since... end of season 1? It forced a lot of champions to be designed and balanced around it. Lots of ADCs/supports that are either suboptimal or downright garbage when placed anywhere else.

 

[Orochinagis]

Bah, why do I need to invest real money to get the new chests.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

I love to think of shakeups just for the sake of shakeups. Like...what if ADCs were built in a way they didn't need a support down there holding their hand. What if support rocked it out...I dunno. Anywhere else? Yeah, sounds stupid as I say it....

 

[Wolf Akela]

Yeah. Why can't see support + something not ADC?

The only time I remember seeing that was Alistar + Lee in DIG vs M5. Then again, back then Urgot + Blue was OP enough to 1v2 and stomp Janna + Corki.

 

[Orochinagis]

Yeah. Why can't see support + something not ADC?

The only time I remember seeing that was Alistar + Lee in DIG vs M5. Then again, back then Urgot + Blue was OP enough to 1v2 and stomp Janna + Corki.

Maybe sending a AD against an AP is a bad idea

 

[Newt]

Fixed my computer! Was so rough playing on sub 30 FPS on my laptop for a few weeks.

Also, if no-one else is making the LCS thread, I will. Remember though, my expertise is software engineering, so don't expect a non ghetto thread.

 

[zkylon]

wut

League is a game where the splash art is better than the actual skins 99% of the time.

that's just not true

and in overwatch more than half the skins are recolors and you can't even buy them

Fixed my computer! Was so rough playing on sub 30 FPS on my laptop for a few weeks.

Also, if no-one else is making the LCS thread, I will. Remember though, my expertise is software engineering, so don't expect a non ghetto thread.

yeah i don't have the time or will to make it right now, you do it

 

[BreezyLimbo]

that's just not true

and in overwatch more than half the skins are recolors and you can't even buy them

wat

the league skins in game suck. They've gotten better lately, but they aren't technically impressive at all. as for the recolor stuff, the same can be said about league and their chromas/old recolors.

 

[zkylon]

that's just crazy talk, the animations and vfx and designs are all fantastic

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Fixed my computer! Was so rough playing on sub 30 FPS on my laptop for a few weeks.

Also, if no-one else is making the LCS thread, I will. Remember though, my expertise is software engineering, so don't expect a non ghetto thread.

What was wrong with computer?

 

[Stone Ocean]

wat

the league skins in game suck. They've gotten better lately, but they aren't technically impressive at all. as for the recolor stuff, the same can be said about league and their chromas/old recolors.

Old recolors are old and not done anymore, instead we get 720 skins which are the League equivalent of 99% of Overwatch skins. Most of them don't even change your gun's model which is the one thing you can actually see in game.

Plus they don't even have splash art, more often than not people won't even notice your skins.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

that's just crazy talk, the animations and vfx and designs are all fantastic

I would say the animations in OW beat out the ones in league. The VFX as well. Have you seen Hanzos puppy ult? Or D.Vas Beehive explosions? Not to mention the designs look fantastic. And that some skins have extra dialogue~

Old recolors are old and not done anymore, instead we get 720 skins which are the League equivalent of 99% of Overwatch skins. Most of them don't even change your gun's model which is the one thing you can actually see in game.

Plus they don't even have splash art, more often than not people won't even notice your skins.

half the time you can't see skins in league because everything is so tiny and you're viewing it from the top~!

 

[Black-Wind]

What if Riot changed some of the ADCs like they did for Graves and Quinn so they can go lanes other than bot?

1- They would need to be able to lane vs Mages so that they could go mid or something. Just DON'T ADD MORE ADC CHAMPS TO TOP! Shit's too fucking annoying to deal with already, last think I need is more "Is this ADC champ gonna go bot or are they just gonna fucking treat me like a pincushion for 15mins in top lane?"

2- I actually agree, this Ziggs bot craze has put a spot light on just how unforgiving the role system is when you design a class to require an other person to be with them to work effectively for so much of the game in a game were other champs aren't like that. I'm STILL waiting to see if someone's gonna make Cass/ Twitch bot a thing.

I think every support should at least be able to lane solo and that more ADC champs should be given tools to lane vs Mages mid with the trade off being that their "thing" (as in "I take objectives real real fast cause all I gotta do is AA and bam, gone late game!") should be shared and spread out among other champs in other classes. Like how we have assassins ... and we also have mages that can burst someone in the same amount of time.

 

[Orochinagis]

The only thing overwatch dont have its the particle effects

 

[zkylon]

I would say the animations in OW beat out the ones in league. The VFX as well. Have you seen Hanzos puppy ult? Or D.Vas Beehive explosions? Not to mention the designs look fantastic. And that some skins have extra dialogue~

animations in overwatch don't even change with skins with like 3 exceptions. same for vfx, voicelines, emotes, etc.

the concepts are also very lazy in general

skin quality is high only in the sense that overwatch is a high res game since it's played in first person. champions in league have like 10k polys while that's probably half of tracer's butt

but the league designs are so much better, i love how overwatch looks and their character designs but those skins are a total ripoff and it's fucking insulting you're expected to spend money on gambling to get them on a $40 game

fucking blizzard man

 

[BreezyLimbo]

animations in overwatch don't even change with skins with like 3 exceptions. same for vfx, voicelines, emotes, etc.

the concepts are also very lazy in general

skin quality is high only in the sense that overwatch is a high res game since it's played in first person. champions in league have like 10k polys while that's probably half of tracer's butt

but the league designs are so much better, i love how overwatch looks and their character designs but those skins are a total ripoff and it's fucking insulting you're expected to spend money on it after you already bought the damn game

league literally nickel and dimes you if you want to play every character at the start though. Not to mention that you can just play the game to earn skins. League will never offer that. You don't have to buy overwatch skins, that's the golden part. You can just earn them.

 

[Blizzard]

Toxicity didn't take out shit. Lyte had good intentions, but he was so severely incompetent it resulted in him hardly actually tackling toxicity.

I don't know if he was incompetent. He has a Ph.D in cognitive neuroscience I think? Maybe he was competent but toxicity was just too much to handle.

I hadn't heard about the personality quizzes they sent out, though: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/le...layers-test-for-narcissism-violent-tendencies

I've seen some scary stuff in League so I wonder what sort of results they got.

 

[Stone Ocean]

league literally nickel and dimes you if you want to play every character at the start though. Not to mention that you can just play the game to earn skins. League will never offer that. You don't have to buy overwatch skins, that's the golden part. You can just earn them.

What does that have to do with skin quality? Also Hextech Crafting is a thing you know.

 

[zkylon]

i'm pretty proud of this move

league literally nickel and dimes you if you want to play every character at the start though. Not to mention that you can just play the game to earn skins. League will never offer that. You don't have to buy overwatch skins, that's the golden part. You can just earn them.

that has nothing to do with overwatch skins being much lamer than league's lol

also overwatch literally filled their game with trash (voice lines, sprays, etc.) just to sabotage ur chances of getting the skin u want

the overwatch business model is fucking rotten man

 

[BreezyLimbo]

What does that have to do with skin quality? Also Hextech Crafting is a thing you know.

i'm pretty proud of this move


that has nothing to do with overwatch skins being much lamer than league's lol

also overwatch literally filled their game with trash (voice lines, sprays, etc.) just to sabotage ur chances of getting the skin u want

the overwatch business model is fucking rotten man

Because if we talk about quality, Overwatch beats it 100%. If you talk about preference to art style, that falls down to opinion. But the in game skins just don't match the splash art in terms of quality, at all(Which has been my point). They're getting better at it, but it's not at a matching fidelity yet. The saying still holds true, you buy a skin for the splash art~

 

[JulianImp]

league literally nickel and dimes you if you want to play every character at the start though. Not to mention that you can just play the game to earn skins. League will never offer that. You don't have to buy overwatch skins, that's the golden part. You can just earn them.

But you can just play the game to earn skins (through chests and keys). Also, while having to buy champions is indeed a grueling process (ie: I own mostly supports, so buying into toplane is taking me quite a while at 60 to 150 IP earned per game), Overwatch probably doesn't do that because of its tiny character pool.

The thing about earning them is that, even though I don't like League's drop system, OW's gives you permanent skins more often, yes, but most of the time they're just chromas, they're still random and you can even get repeats, making opening a chest a lot more likely to let you down compared to LoL. Getting chests, keys, shards and essence takes longer in League, but at least I can, say, craft all my unwanted champion skins away for those I actually like, and am guaranteed to not get a skin for a character I don't even use.

Also, has Yorick ever been available on free rotation after his rework? I'm asking since I heard he was never around before then because of his awful old kit and haven't seen him around as far as I remember, but there's probably no reason to keep him out of rotation now that he behaves in a way that is more fair and less reliant on his old spirits' clunky hitboxes, right?

 

[zkylon]

Because if we talk about quality, Overwatch beats it 100%. If you talk about preference to art style, that falls down to opinion. But the in game skins just don't match the splash art in terms of quality, at all(Which has been my point). They're getting better at it, but it's not at a matching fidelity yet. The saying still holds true, you buy a skin for the splash art~

fidelity != design

overwatch skins are bad design cos 90% of them are chromas and the rest are super basic that would be considered 750 rp in league