BreezyLimbo
Banned
Swain deserves a dragon skin above all else. Thats just fact.
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League of Legends |OT13| Diamond is Unreachable
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Swain deserves a dragon skin above all else. Thats just fact.
Stone Ocean
Member
Holy shit that Zyra skin
Maybe you just suck so you're being placed vs new players Kappa
I agree with Julian, if it's polite and constructive I appreciate advice, and I think a lot of bronze players could use good advice.
If you help them out it helps YOU out, and you may end up playing with them again later on.
Also, it's so much nicer and less toxic than "stop feeding", without giving any actual tips on how to stop dying. Better might be "try csing under tower, that champ is deadly early on". Most people aren't TRYING to die, so telling them to stop dying isn't very helpful, you just run the risk of tilting your own teammate.
If you help them out it helps YOU out, and you may end up playing with them again later on.
Also, it's so much nicer and less toxic than "stop feeding", without giving any actual tips on how to stop dying. Better might be "try csing under tower, that champ is deadly early on". Most people aren't TRYING to die, so telling them to stop dying isn't very helpful, you just run the risk of tilting your own teammate.
Hydrophobic
Member
I'm not contesting you on that. I think a dragon swain skin would be sweet. I'm just explaining that many people are probably on the spectrum of 'eh' to 'excited' while you're the only person I'm aware of that is upset about the skin being for Zyra.
PhillipCostigan
Member
wait til you guys see the zyra splash
BreezyLimbo
Banned
If it was made for garen or jhin or zed I would be just as upset. I dislike Xins skin too.
PhillipCostigan
Member
and yet there are going to be TONNES of Zyra players out there that are super excited by the skin. It's ok to have different tastes, just try to understand that others really enjoy this type of skin that actually fit the character.
Orochinagis
Member
I didnt know you can do a dragon sorcerer like huh... a dragon priest would be a better fit.
Eh, the skins are alright I guess
BreezyLimbo
Banned
What youre saying doesnt deny my criticism. Riot is no better than those "cum play my lord" mobile games that have breasts front and center to pander on adolescent children. Zyra players can be excited, but that doesnt deny the fact that the sexualisation of characters in league is pathetic and aiming for the lowest common denominator. There is no originality in the grey breast blob of this zyra skin. The color palette sucks, the sexualisation of it sucks, and its just low effort because of it. Its selling softcore porn just because it makes money, and any intrinsic hope for it to be art is lost due to that fact.
Rito couldve made a dragon sorceress an thousand different ways, they chose to make a skintight wearing hooker with heels with half her breasts spilling out. Amazing.
you're purposely being thick about it breezy
ppl that like zyra like boobs, so pandering skins are fine for them
different ppl have different tastes
this is an issue riot should be solving, specially when it's for cross region play
i shouldn't have to buy an account or waste tens of hours of my life if i just want to play with my friends here
ppl that like zyra like boobs, so pandering skins are fine for them
different ppl have different tastes
leveling an account is also a shitty experience. most people don't ever run into bots and that at worst lasts like 40 minutes. leveling an account lasts like 10+ hrs and it's just the worst experience for everyone
this is an issue riot should be solving, specially when it's for cross region play
i shouldn't have to buy an account or waste tens of hours of my life if i just want to play with my friends here
I'm dying. :lol
7.4 Patch notes are out
I hope that Edge of Night hotfix makes it in. Fervor buffs and Warlord's nerfs, god bless.
I hope that Edge of Night hotfix makes it in. Fervor buffs and Warlord's nerfs, god bless.
I mean, I leveled all of my accounts legitimately, and I don't support this whole "I need to buy a smurf to learn how to not feed on champions that aren't Renekton".
But, no-one wants to bomb their MMR, lol. Lets say I was to play toplane every game in ranked instead of ADC. It's likely I would drop to at least P5. Sure, I could climb back up, but who wants to climb through an entire League again just to learn new stuff?
This is why normal games exist.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Zky no offense but youre like the last person to talk about the oversexualization of women in video games/media
Ah, D5.
Code:
TranquillTryn : Oh no bois we have a jungler who doesn't gank for 10 minutes btw
its finesse : are u tilted do i have to dodge
Trollo Swagginz P4NCH: lol i ganked mid and got flash. got him down to 50 health and zed pushed up to tower and died from him 30 seconds later
Trollo Swagginz P4NCH: you wernt watching
its finesse : fuck man i dont want to dodge
Trollo Swagginz P4NCH: bot lane was dead half the time and you were pushed up
Trollo Swagginz P4NCH: no way for me to gank
its finesse : 2 hardstuck d5s on my team
its finesse : i think im gona dodge
Trollo Swagginz P4NCH: whos hard stuck d5/
its finesse : u and trynd
its finesse : xd
Trollo Swagginz P4NCH: im not hard stuck
Trollo Swagginz P4NCH: i have like 5 games in d5
its finesse : 200 games is hard stuck
its finesse : im trollin
its finesse : fuck it
Trollo Swagginz P4NCH: i started at plat 5
its finesse : u gotta learn a lesson
its finesse : i was gnona dodge
its finesse : but nah
Trollo Swagginz P4NCH: due to not playing the previous season
its finesse : d5 kids gotta let go of their egos
its finesse : u gotta take this loss
TranquillTryn : Ayyy
TranquillTryn : I like this
Trollo Swagginz P4NCH: you are pre judging in chat
its finesse : enjoy lose
Trollo Swagginz P4NCH: and its our fault?Hydrophobic
Member
D5 kids gotta leggo his eggo.
Zyra is an homage to Poison Ivy. She's basically naked and covered in plants, so her skins being the same way are a big old whatever.
And when they do skins for 'nonsexualized champs' like Fiora, even their swimsuit ones are at least somewhat in character.
I dunno. Not seeing an issue.
But both skins look lame.
And when they do skins for 'nonsexualized champs' like Fiora, even their swimsuit ones are at least somewhat in character.
I dunno. Not seeing an issue.
But both skins look lame.
Dobkeratops
OT Hard Carry
yessssssssssssssssss
Well, people are going to abuse the system until it becomes less terrible. I'll cut Riot some slack though. The issue of smurfs is somewhat complicated to solve because alts are discouraged by Riot (well, it's something Riot turns a blind eye to), and making a system for smurfs implies that it's okay to have them. Unless a new system is implemented that allows Riot to effectively keep track of smurf accounts (much like the KR SSN system in Korea), it'll continue to be a problem.
Not a fan of using normals for improvement btw, it's not the same experience as soloQ
No one is playing champs they know, and they're not trying that hard either.
Not a fan of using normals for improvement btw, it's not the same experience as soloQ
No one is playing champs they know, and they're not trying that hard either.
yessssssssssssssssss
oooo they gave him the AP back? shit's gonna get weird
not really, that's who zyra is, putting a robe on zyra would make her a different character
oversexualization is only a problem because there are not enough "normal characters" in the game because riot didn't really think it through when they had zeronis design half the female cast with no supervision or whatever
zyra has a slutty design, that's who she is, so a slutty skin is fine for her
the way riot moves forward is adding champions like taliyah, illaoi or kalista, who show there's more to women than tits
saying "my opinion isn't worth anything" when you don't even play the game is pretty silly also
Dobkeratops
OT Hard Carry
It's less than before (0.7) but has the extra scaling from HP. Less HP from stacks but more potential stacks as the game goes on.
AP Cho still good as far as I'm concerned.
Any attempt to reroute the champion into a straight tank would've made him boring and useless, if there's a skill redesign it should be oriented towards AP bruiser anyways.
Peanut Butter
Member
So you're saying that if you encountered a first time Azir during your promos, you'd be fine with that even if he ends up going 1/18/2 because it's "good practice"?
I'm not saying that one should only play normals as a form of practice, but people should at least play enough normals with a champion/role to the point where they can be an asset to their team in ranked. Transitioning into a new role and/or learning a new champion isn't the same thing as improving because you need to have a solid base to improve.
Orochinagis
Member
Yeah, just make items being exclusive to lanes or classes. ADC will struggle again
Wolf Akela
Member
Good lord another good Zyra skin. I thought I was already set with the Halloween skin.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Well first, I didnt say your opinion isnt worth anything. I should clarify and have said when it comes to matters of talking about the sexualization of women, you kinda lose weight in discussing it seeing as how you like posting your borderline erotic fanart in this thread. Like, straight up that stuff is gross, this whole eroticism of the characters.
Second, the whole point of skins is to make a character different. Lulu is a thousand year old fairy, and nobody has a problem giving her a swimsuit. Poppy is a warrior lady, and nobody has a problem with her getting a ragdoll costume. So why would Zyra getting a robe for a sorceress costume suddenly be "not in character" despite various other examples where skins do just that? Its just hypocrisy at that point.
Also you shouldnt be commending the fact that its ok for zyra being made a slutty character therefore it being ok that shes slutty. Thats awful and thats the kind of thinking that permeates this problem. You can be sexy without wearing tight clothing that literally outline your ass and revealing half your cleavage. Thats part of the problem and why I say theres no originality in Zyras skin.
Like...there is nothing to commend making a plant lady in a fantasy game slutty. There are problems in saying that this plant lady is meant to be slutty and that its ok for her to continue being slutty. If there was a story reason for her being a seductress and it was well written, sure. But as it stands with this and other skins mean to pander, rito is continuing to cultovate this sexualisation of women that is harmful.
As for me not playing the game, that doesnt mean I cant criticize its art or portrayal of characters.
One issue with adding a robe or something to a champ that has an essentially naked silhouette is that you're changing the silhouette. Skins shouldn't change the silhouette for gameplay reasons. Ragdoll Poppy still has the same silhouette as regular poppy.
I mean, you could add a skintight robe to Zyra and only make it look robe-y in areas that are not important for the silhouette but I doubt that's the intention.
Diver/Water/Whatever Zyra where she is in a wetsuit should be fine though.
I mean, you could add a skintight robe to Zyra and only make it look robe-y in areas that are not important for the silhouette but I doubt that's the intention.
Diver/Water/Whatever Zyra where she is in a wetsuit should be fine though.
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Deleted member 77995
Unconfirmed Member
I'm not a fan of chatty players in game. If you got time to type out stuff like that you got time to be playing the game and if you're busy trying to provide a crutch to another player you're losing focus on your own lane when you could be using that mental effort to cs/trade better rather than explaining the how's and why's of a freezing a lane to someone who can't even focus on their own champion in a fight or can only get 15 cs at 5 mins in a completely unpressured lane. If you're in game with these people and you have this wealth of knowledge that you love to bestow upon them you have some serious issues with your own game that you are either completely unaware of or that you undervalue some gross deficiencies in your own gameplay.
Fair enough. I've played a fair amount with the champs I intend to smurf with, but my goal is to get them on the skill level of my main.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Im only using a robe as an example because zky brought that up.
But changing silhouttes isnt one of ritos concern, because someone like lux and her ultimate changes her silhoutte by giving her a dress of sorts(depending on the transformation). If people have trouble recognizing Zyra through her silhoutte, maybe its because her frame is too generic as a slim sexualized woman?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Dragon slayer kog skin where?
Pixel art koggy where?
That arcade/pulse fire kog just a fan made thing?
Pixel art koggy where?
That arcade/pulse fire kog just a fan made thing?
Hydrophobic
Member
Kogmaw would probably get a dragon skin instead lol
Edit: Actually I think that would be pretty cool too given the way most of his particle effects look now.
Nah. Sure there's a time and a place, but I don't think a blanket statement like it's NEVER a good idea works.
And of course I have issues, doesn't mean I can't help a guy out. Pretty aggressive there, you quitting smoking?
*I've* been helped out before. It was good advice, I took it, I appreciated it. It improved my game. And even if I wasn't interested in the advice, it's a way better approach than flaming. Like, if you're going to type something at all, why not try helping. Do not understand people that tilt their own teammates.
Just had the weirdest game, their botlane tried to cheese us and it ended in catastrophe.
Here's the catastrophe unfolding.
Also, if anyone missed that Draven guide I posted yesterday, and they want to pick up Draven, check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iwuxPQ25OM&t=6s
Here's the catastrophe unfolding.
Also, if anyone missed that Draven guide I posted yesterday, and they want to pick up Draven, check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iwuxPQ25OM&t=6s
not really commending the skin, more like rolling my eyes at yet another display of outrage at sexy skins (which btw isn't the same as slutty. there's a big difference between stripper cop caitlyn which is sexual in nature and a revealing skin for zyra who's already got a revealing design)
there's also lots of skins being released that aren't sexy, and new champions are given more body and race diversity
balancing the age of sluttiness is gonna take a while, but that doesn't mean there can't be any pandering skins from now on
some champions are just like that
blame the original design, not the skin (unless the skin is ugly)
Stone Ocean
Member
YESSS
This. You could argue that Zyra should have never been released as she is, but what is done is done and backpedaling on that would be stupid.
What is this.
Stone Ocean
Member
Sexy Zyra summoner icon
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Deleted member 77995
Unconfirmed Member
No one is talking about tilting their own teamate or trying to be aggressive...
Stone Ocean
Member
Ayyy
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I do blame the original skin
I also will blame riot for their continuation of pandering to the lowest common denominator. And its not only "slutty" characters that have this issue. Look at quinn and her horrible valentines skin. You say its ok for zyra to be slutty because thats how she was made, and yet you turn a blind eye to quinn and her god awful skin that goes against her original design. Again, a hypocrisy.
Like I said, skins are meant to change a character from their base appearance. It doesnt have to adhere to the original design at all. Despite this, it still isnt ok to objectify women by doing so(whether its zyra or quinn.) its 2017, and ritos skin department with their gratuitously sexual designs are just sad. League is one of the biggest games of the world, and they still have to pander through objectification?
And like said before elsewhere, its always male characters who get the most range of diversity. Give us a fat female character or a grotesque one like Urgot then we'll talk.(Reksai is usually the example brought up, but thats a creature. And Illaoi is good yet an "acceptable" appearance, akin to the barbarian trope not unseen elsewhere.)
God bless. 7.5 shaping up to be a great patch already.
just don't buy it
BreezyLimbo
Banned
but valentine quinn's not really pandering lol?
is elementalist lux pandering because she wears a skirt?
i don't get if ur idea of killing objectification means putting women on baggy cargo pants or whatever
the problem with u is that you have no middle ground, zyra (or elise or syndra) as designs are objectifying, but valentine quinn isn't
the fact that u can't see that makes me feel like you're unprepared for this discussion and just want to be mad at not getting a skin for ur champion
it's understandable cos really, why is xin zhao ok and not swain lol, but don't blame it on zyra dood
edit: also imo pandering is fine as long as it's a good design and there's enough non-pandering alternatives.
is elementalist lux pandering because she wears a skirt?
i don't get if ur idea of killing objectification means putting women on baggy cargo pants or whatever
the problem with u is that you have no middle ground, zyra (or elise or syndra) as designs are objectifying, but valentine quinn isn't
the fact that u can't see that makes me feel like you're unprepared for this discussion and just want to be mad at not getting a skin for ur champion
it's understandable cos really, why is xin zhao ok and not swain lol, but don't blame it on zyra dood
edit: also imo pandering is fine as long as it's a good design and there's enough non-pandering alternatives.