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League of Legends |OT13| Diamond is Unreachable
- Thread starter Dobkeratops
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Just had one of those games that from the moment it started it was a long, steady, drip feed of misery until the inevitable loss.
On a related note, witnessed yet another example of Riot's shit ass balancing. How the fuck has Jhin not been properly toned down yet? What a fucking joke.
I'm not even concerned about that perspective. Removing runes and masteries just removes a layer of balancing and streamlines the whole process. We've seen them cause problem after problem after problem, and for what? A bit of [false] player choice? League being static is a whole other kettle of fish (although my idea of choosing summs and being able to swap them does open up lots of stuff).
On a related note, witnessed yet another example of Riot's shit ass balancing. How the fuck has Jhin not been properly toned down yet? What a fucking joke.
I'm not even concerned about that perspective. Removing runes and masteries just removes a layer of balancing and streamlines the whole process. We've seen them cause problem after problem after problem, and for what? A bit of [false] player choice? League being static is a whole other kettle of fish (although my idea of choosing summs and being able to swap them does open up lots of stuff).
Orochinagis
Member
Didnt riot come full circle again with the masteries? they nerfed the masteries because were too strong, buffed items, then buffed other masteries, items nerfed alonside the buffed masteries because other roles were using those masteries , then buffed lethality with some items, ADC masteries were buffed , then nerfed because other lanes were using them.
If Jhin knows to always stay behind his minions is like having two sorakas for the entire match unless your jungles ganks or the support and Jhin himself gets bored of farming
If Jhin knows to always stay behind his minions is like having two sorakas for the entire match unless your jungles ganks or the support and Jhin himself gets bored of farming
Shaco did get nerfed with the sweeping lens changes, or rather they added counterplay to his boxes. Since his boxes activate when sweeped, you can do an invade and sweep his starting point in the jungle to remove all of the boxes without putting yourself in danger by activating them manually.
If you remove all of his boxes level 1 his power is significantly reduced since he can't jungle as fast as before.
phreak's patch rundown is really illuminating
idk i feel like they should just his numbers a little bit considering his high winrate+playrate+he's fucking shaco
that's really interesting, although probably a lot less generally applicable than a more direct nerf since it requires someone to sacrifice trinket wards for it and for people to risk an invade for it and whatnot
idk i feel like they should just his numbers a little bit considering his high winrate+playrate+he's fucking shaco
that's really interesting, although probably a lot less generally applicable than a more direct nerf since it requires someone to sacrifice trinket wards for it and for people to risk an invade for it and whatnot
idk i feel like they should just his numbers a little bit considering his high winrate+playrate+he's fucking shaco
Yeah, it requires your team to actually do something, but your jungler should be able to skip his yellow trinket for a red trinket without issues. Invades against Shaco typically aren't super-risky since you generally know he has to stand in the blue/red buff pit and put down boxes. You can sweep the boxes over the wall which makes it quite good. Of course, the enemies could counter-invade but then you got an interesting 5v4 level 1.
I don't like Shaco either, but I think it will be interesting to see how this added counterplay will change his powerlevels. It promotes an active level 1, but it won't matter if 2/3 of your teammates are afk the first minute of the game.
Shaco might very well need number nerfs, but when Ryze and Azir were overtuned (as in >50% winrate) they had a high pickrate and got great results anyway.
People who played them and were good got insane winrates of course, but they were still often the best pick for people who couldn't play them that well.
To be fair >50% winrate on Azir could be called grossly overtuned, as he's probably kinda balanced with something 44% winrate so even 48% winrate could be called overtuned. Shaco does not have that kind of margin due to his relative ease of play, as you say.
People who played them and were good got insane winrates of course, but they were still often the best pick for people who couldn't play them that well.
To be fair >50% winrate on Azir could be called grossly overtuned, as he's probably kinda balanced with something 44% winrate so even 48% winrate could be called overtuned. Shaco does not have that kind of margin due to his relative ease of play, as you say.
Peanut Butter
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Wolf Akela
Member
Love Shaco on ARURF. We were getting dumpstered the entire game. I just splitpushed and forcing them to defend but they couldn't catch me. Clone was nearly almost always up so I could take some cheap shots at towers.
Stone Ocean
Member
Riot said they aren't buffing her. Taliyah is fine, she's even picked in competitive from time to time, no need to break her recklessly again.
Stone Ocean
Member
She's hard to play and her winrate with experienced players is good
winrate with experienced players is good for every champion and her curve is not like ryze's or azir's that just skyrockets all ridiculous like
i'm talking pretty small buff here, kind of like when ahri got like 10 more dmg on her q or something like that
just a little bump cos taliyah brings good things to the game and it would be nice if she were played more often
i'm talking pretty small buff here, kind of like when ahri got like 10 more dmg on her q or something like that
just a little bump cos taliyah brings good things to the game and it would be nice if she were played more often
Stone Ocean
Member
What Taliyah needs is a skin
Also EoK hotfix is up, no shield duration nerf bleh
Also EoK hotfix is up, no shield duration nerf bleh
Stone Ocean
Member
Maybe next year
yea she needs one
Orochinagis
Member
Yeah but Illaoi would end with no damage to take down the spirit
Stone Ocean
Member
You don't need to take it down
PeskyToaster
Member
uh oh i've been maxing q first
SenorArdilla
Member
Yeah. You'll probably be unable to kill it by the time the person runs away. But the 25g is nice.
Stone Ocean
Member
Yis
RIP Lebonk see you next rework
The math is that you have to be a full level below the average of your teammates. It doesn't let you rubberband to the level of your own solo laners, and doesn't let you rubberband to the level in the opposing jungler if your team is losing. It gives tank junglers the possibility of increasing their gank frequency in the early game. It's a risk/reward proposition: if early and more frequent ganks are successful then the tank jungler trades his own power (in the form of gold and xp) in exchange for more power in his teammates. Right now, that choice isn't there. If you go for a heavy gank strategy strengthening your team doesn't compensate for your own weakness since you'll start to get your face kicked in eventually.
The alternative is giving tank junglers more damage to farm camps faster. That can either be done by making Cinderhulk's monster damage better or giving them more innate damage. But buffing Cinderhulk affects other champions that are already good (e.g. Rek'Sai, Warwick) and buffing innate damage increases strength in other positions.
I hope this trend holds, one step closer to being able to whip out jungle Tahm Kench again.
PeskyToaster
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Had to fight an urgot yesterday. Ugh so painful though I surprised him a few times.
Stone Ocean
Member
About time it stopped reducing AS
Hydrophobic
Member
I'm okay with this.
god bless
honestly leo with knights vow 2.0 and redemption is so op in low elo. How op is it? I am winning games with adc quinn.
What I build
rush Eye of the Equnoix
then redemption followed by knight's vow and boots.
then locket. for the extra buff in mr and armor.
after that for your last item build whatever works best against the enemy team. normally a visage or frozen heart.
What I build
rush Eye of the Equnoix
then redemption followed by knight's vow and boots.
then locket. for the extra buff in mr and armor.
after that for your last item build whatever works best against the enemy team. normally a visage or frozen heart.
Played a couple ARURF games, and it's kind of fun on some champs. My favorites so far have been Mao (sapling warding all over the place) and Tahm (ridiculous CC chains and free TP). Worst champ I got so far was Amumu (okay-ish, but I hate walking into people and spamming E with the occasional Q for the remainder of the fight).
Ghost is Bad
Banned
this bond of stone change is super dumb and is just gonna make the mastery broken just like SOTA or Courage before it.
Hydrophobic
Member
I don't think you can use ADC quinn as a bar for bad picks when she's currently busted with Lethality.
bond of stone on champs like tahm and thresh . oh lord.
tank meta is coming back baby.
Stone Ocean
Member
She's busted in solo lanes and the jungle. Bot lane she gets dumpstered by the meta picks
Hydrophobic
Member
Yeah but in silver does she get punished hard enough?
I've played a number of games so far and I'm enjoying League more than I expected. I realize I'm going to lose that starting roster of characters at some point. Do you guys recommend I just go with the flow of the rotations to figure out who I like to play, and then pick them up with IP? This whole not-actually-having-characters thing is antithetical to pretty much every game I've ever played, so it just feels weird to me.