say 12-23 minutes where I got a bt and zeal in to pd setup may not be what I want. BT and SOTD will be decent damage. I rarely think of gold like that unless I have too I think of potential. 3 crits with that as plus my other steriods is huge that turns a maybe half health or 75% in to a sure thing. No other item can give me that with a bt at that point.
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League of Legends |OT3| Lizards are red, golems are blue. Give a leash or no gank 4 u
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say 12-23 minutes where I got a bt and zeal in to pd setup may not be what I want. BT and SOTD will be decent damage. I rarely think of gold like that unless I have too I think of potential. 3 crits with that as plus my other steriods is huge that turns a maybe half health or 75% in to a sure thing. No other item can give me that with a bt at that point.
I hate lulu.
Think I need a adc. I really lack those, and my weakest position overall. Cait is sorta cheap I guess... Right now I have
Ashe - it's ashe
Draven - seem to do well with him
Vayne i do terrible in lane with her usually... get zoned so hard
Tris - hate her kit..
Does his passive apply to minions? Either that (or more likely, I'm dumb and it's because I'm stacking AD items) makes last hitting very easy. I think I beat pretty much everyone in farm.
Of course the downside is they beat me in kills and wins. I think I agree with Corgi in that if your team is also decent, that's nice, but if your team isn't doing well, even a dominating Zed is unlikely to carry. The ult only hits a single person in a teamfight, the Q and E are unlikely to kill people besides the person you ulted, and once all that is done, you're kind of like a squishy Master Yi/Tryndamere in the middle of a fight, but you don't have the benefits of crits/attack speed/resetting abilities/invincibility like they do. I suppose something similar is true of Talon (but he's probably rarely played).
Buy all the Master Yi skins!
About ADC, ask yourself what you hate about the ones you hate, and/or ask yourself what aspect of ADC you struggle with. If you struggle with last hitting, for instance, maybe that's easier with some ADC's than others, but Ashe should still be quite good for practicing that aspect, plus she can help in teamfights.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Fine with last hitting. Positioning is what kills me I think.
his passive applies to everything. Zed needs either a team with cc's or aoe damage.
right now i go boots > 2 dorans > situational item (phage/hex/bruta)>BT>GA or frozen mallet for the passive and health.
zed is better than talon mainly because he can farm like a boss without mana constraint holding him back.
crackbabyjr
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Then play Trist, Graves, Corki or Ez just to re position yourself the easiest.
Graves... yes... why didn't I think of that.
Miss Fortune is my favorite ADC by far. Her early game poke is strong and her passive lets her run fast back to the lane after you die
But seriously, strong early game. Waiting patiently for a sale on her mafia skin.
Zed's ability to farm is ridiculous. I think my first Zed game I had basically perfect cs with him. It's just completely crazy.
Miss Fortune is my favorite ADC by far. Her early game poke is strong and her passive lets her run fast back to the lane after you die
But seriously, strong early game. Waiting patiently for a sale on her mafia skin.
I have ~12k IP waiting for when a Caitlyn or MF skin goes on sale that I want. Then I will buy them and the skin
and never play them
Though, I need to buy some quints for Season 3 so probably not 12k anymore.
Edit: Meh, probably fake anyway. Just removing it for now~
from the reddit thread...fake source?
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs21/f/2007/309/2/2/Anima__Claire_by_Wen_M.jpg
My goal for the weekend is to work on jungling. Right now I'm in a lot of normal games where nobody wants to jungle. I wouldn't mind doing it but I just haven't practiced on any characters. Thinking about starting with Rammus, Dianna, and maybe Amumu. Which reminds me, if anyone needs someone killed I will gladly take care of it in exchange for Regifted Amumu. Because come on.
crackbabyjr
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My goal for the weekend is to work on jungling. Right now I'm in a lot of normal games where nobody wants to jungle. I wouldn't mind doing it but I just haven't practiced on any characters. Thinking about starting with Rammus, Dianna, and maybe Amumu. Which reminds me, if anyone needs someone killed I will gladly take care of it in exchange for Regifted Amumu. Because come on.
Yea, I really wish I bought that skin when it was out. But I forced myself not too because I had Pharaoh already, but its pretty funny seeing the block headed Amumu running around.
Corki's cheap and awesome.
He's the only carry I do well with.
Also FU Lulu's awesome.
Want. Hope she's real and mid.
Eh I just noticed boobplate... meh
Yeah. The "divine guard" and art that didn't match (notably, city wouldn't fit LoL lore stuff and her design doesn't really fit either) made me go, "lol probably fake nm~!" Then that image just kind of sealed it anyway.
My goal for the weekend is to work on jungling. Right now I'm in a lot of normal games where nobody wants to jungle. I wouldn't mind doing it but I just haven't practiced on any characters. Thinking about starting with Rammus, Dianna, and maybe Amumu. Which reminds me, if anyone needs someone killed I will gladly take care of it in exchange for Regifted Amumu. Because come on.
Don't jungle Diana, it's miserable.
S3 jungle speed clear times:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av7-Troet17_dE9hMzdVV2JBQkkwakVRX0J2MEJoMlE#gid=2
My poor Maokai
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av7-Troet17_dE9hMzdVV2JBQkkwakVRX0J2MEJoMlE#gid=2
My poor Maokai
That turns into a Dragon and jumps into walls.
She has a really good Season 3 clear, actually.
crackbabyjr
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Probably not if you start with cloth+5pots, depends on your level though. Shes got a pretty easy clear.
Yeah. Looks like Diana will be a legitimate jungler season 3. Yay. I might actually get to use my Diana only jungling runepage for once. I play a ton of different champs over time but I think Diana is my best and most consistent.
jungle ziggs actually sounds amazing
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great m5 video, click cc for subs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlBwNruRqfI
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dunno, i remember her ganks being brutal after lvl 6 and her clear is pretty good early levels.
if dying every 4 minutes is your definition of fun.
Its not about being bad, bruisers can come and kill you while u take ur red or make u retreat and take it. I didnt even mention counter ganks.
Im probably thinking way over my head, but i think most people think that they just keep farming in the new jungle and buy super cool items instead of playing their characters in lanes and get destroyed.
So Jungle Sej or Jungle Diana?
Maybe I'll just buy sub-20 runes just for it then. The only purpose of my smurf account is to try free week champs, so I don't really care about IP.
Her clear isn't her problem.
Problem (least for season 2) is her lack of gold. She can't gank realiably pre 6, so that's just farm time. After six you can get some good ganks, but you quickly fall behind due to gold restrictions. She lacks presence without the income she'd normally get in lane. She also has mana issues, and most likely you won't be taking blue after the first golem.
I mean we are both talking about hypothetical situations here. my ziggs post was mainly about how I had never thought about how nice ziggs, with aoe, a slow and a reposition, would be as a jungler, like it probably wouldn't work out in practice but it was also a way for me to broaden my way of thinking about the game. I'm pretty stuck in thinking about particular junglers in a particular jungle
so my b if I reacted kind of hostile to what I thought was basically a nothing post, like I understand why people wouldn't want people to try a ziggs jungle in their game.
well, if you want to try some crazy jungling try ap rengar.
very slow first clear, but once you get amp tome you clear will be so damn fast.
A few of the new Jungle items kind of try to solve the mana problem. And the gold in the Jungle is greater than before (granted, after 11 minutes). There's also the passive 3 GP10 increase along with less gold from minions in lane.
Until people get some actual games under their belt, it's hard to say one way or the other on the state of the jungle in Season 3.
yeah I wonder how much the whole "jungler won't get as much gold as lane so champs must reflect this" meta will change, if at all
I mean like reliable gold, junglers that carry the shit out of a game through all stages can often get the most gold on their team but you can't really account for that
I could've sworn your response to me didn't say Season 2.
Regardless, I was just saying that she has a good clear time in Season 3. Which actually is an important detail to keep in mind for the future. She may have her issues now but that won't necessarily hold true in a week or two.
ezreal design meet:
a: flash is a good spell, right?
b: yeah
a: lets make it an e.
b: hmm.
a: whats wrong?
b: we should make it have longer range.
a: thats a good idea, and have it synergize with that flash mastery
b: the one that reduces by 15 seconds?
a: yeah, but instead this one will just be 15 seconds cooldown.
b: genius.
a: and it should do damage.
b: and he should have a skin except- skin-ier.
a: and he should build triforce!
b: we are so good at our jobs.
join team miss fortune.
Ignores puny american escapes in favour of go fast and real soviet damage.
Sounds about right. Except you forgot the Director's Cut of that.
a: we should also make it so it reduces cooldown because of Q.
b: genius.
That problem doesn't sound unique to Ziggs though. The guy that composed the list I posted said 90 percent of junglers finish with critical hitpoints in the new jungle. He said even the likes of Mundo/Olaf/Shy would have to shop after red buff because they don't have enough HP to gank without being killed.
It sounds like the trade off in the new jungle is "fast clear, low health" or "slow clear, very healthy." Champions like WW, Lee, Fiddle, etc. stay health, but they finish a good 20 seconds after the fast clearers.
Yeah, I know right?
Also, if you are starting up jungling I would really recommend Dr. Mundo or Skarner. I think they're both champions that are easy to get into that handle the current jungle really well.
Most of the junglers are practically dead to jungle minions on their solo clear. Like, Riven dips to one hit to dying. It's ridiculous(ly awesome, perhaps?)
There's a few exceptions. Nocturne has the fastest clear with the most health left over, for instance. AD Malzahar has a decent clear time (~3:45) with moderate health left. Zed apparently has an absurd clear speed as well.
It's also worth noting, this is with absolutely no outside assistance. Getting some help at wolves/blue will help some of the problems, though I imagine it will still be the same "can very easily die if counter jungled" situation.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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That image is from 2007.
Here's the artists' deviantart page.
Somehow I managed to get into the PBE. Time to try out AP Varus.
Blergmeister
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Is there a concentrated source I can look at on what's known about Season 3 so far? I see mentions that Jax might be OP. Why is this?
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