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League of Legends |OT3| Lizards are red, golems are blue. Give a leash or no gank 4 u
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Got a good chunk of IP from the double weekend and bought Corki and Leona. My next champion will definitively be a jungler, so I finally learn how to do it. Recommend me some cheap, easy, junglers, because Shy's gonna take a while...
Not pr0n not-anime version: http://i.imgur.com/91aum.jpg
Ori's great though, just presenting options.
Not pr0n anime version: http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/051/f/7/ahri_by_lasterking-d4qcfh6.jpg
Not pr0n not-anime version: http://i.imgur.com/91aum.jpg
Ori's great though, just presenting options.
Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo Mundo
or Nunu if you hate people.
SouthernDragon
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I've almost got enough IP for the next champ.
SouthernDragon
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I'm hoping to have proper rune pages one day.
Diana, Syndra, Zyra. Man, seems like I am really liking AP mids.
Though Maokai Jungle is great, no pulls or anything and still great sustain. Plus great initiates and once Q is lvl 5 and you have 30+ cdr, heihoo stunspam.
Too bad season 3 will change jungle again, will be so pull reliant again :-(
Though Maokai Jungle is great, no pulls or anything and still great sustain. Plus great initiates and once Q is lvl 5 and you have 30+ cdr, heihoo stunspam.
Too bad season 3 will change jungle again, will be so pull reliant again :-(
lazorexplosion
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Goddam hell Janna is worthless now. So fucking heavy in lane.
Just start with a Doran's Ring and watch them cry.
lazorexplosion
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Maybe if they'd nerfed him several patches ago when it was obvious he was OP. But he's been played in 50+% of all matches and been obnoxiously OP for so fucking long I'm just sick of him. Riot's garbage level balance team strikes again!
Uses Pron Orianna instead....
What champion is that?
Vote on whether shadow isle skins (maokai, elise, hecarim) skins are legacy or permanent
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2708820
tbh, i dunno why people are voting to make the skins temporary, I guess having limited edition skins makes it more special?
Ez doesn't deserve to be nerfed so hard. Corki can out damage ez in a head on fight already. Poor ezreal
lazorexplosion
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Solo queue bot lane is just toxic right now. With the shrinking pool of un-nerfed supports there is fewer than ever people willing to play support seriously and fewer champions for them to play and literally half time ezreal is picked there. It's just a repetitive and trashy experience at the moment.
People only looking out for themselves. "I have the money to buy the skins over the release period for sure so I'll make my purchase more special by voting that they be legacy, never mind that others might be less fortunate at this time."
Inskipp
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What makes it interesting is that it's the customers that are willingly prompting additional artificial value in to virtual objects... You'd think that most people would want to give everyone a fair shot and make all goods permanently available.
I guess that turned out to be a pipe dream.
I guess that turned out to be a pipe dream.
I hear ya. Seems like in solo queue all I play is Mid or support. Support if I don't get mid because everyone else "calls" a role. Sona is the only fun support for me right now. I played a little Leona and she's good but requires a strong AD player to capitalize on it otherwise I'm just going in to get chunked down and offer no auras or heals.
I want to buy Zyra as soon as she goes on sale, she looks like a fun support. Morgana is pretty fun too. Need to spice it up.
Just saw this. I revel in the squishyness. Tanky Kat is a Kat that isn't dishing the deeps.
But seriously, I start kage's then go sorc shoes. That gives you some AP with gp/5 and enough magic pen that you should be dealing true damage to most opponents. From there I go 3 ways. DFG, Rabadon's or Abyssal. Probably 70% Rabadon's, 20% Abyssal, 10% DFG. I'm trying to break the DFG habit as it's losing it's CDR and getting a big damage nerf.
Rabadon's is great if you're farming well and have a couple kills. You'll be very strong. Abyssal if I'm facing a LeBlanc or Annie (something bursty) and/or people are building more MR. I recently learned I'm always going to build a QSS against veigar now too. Lesson learned. Own him early in lane, later in teamfights get stunned and burst down to nothing every time. sigh.
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hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
"Fuck you, I got mine."
Wolf Akela
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I suggest giving the Spell Pen route a try over an early Deathcap. Early DC means around 200 AP so that's roughly +600 Damage from it (closer to 650, I wager). Abyssal/Guise means you can shred down around 70 MR which is around a 70% damage increase*, basically (70 MR = ~58.82% Damage Taken). For laning, this just makes your harass combos that much more potent. Most of Kat's damage is from her base damages, not so much her scaling (1.25 scaling for her QEW, up to 835 base damage).
*If they actually don't have >50 MR, it isn't quite as effective if only due to some of the pen being "wasted." Still, that means you only need the Abyssal first for lane to shred down 50 MR which is a 50% damage increase.
well between masteries and runes, I should have around 32? magic pen with sorc shoes. A standard AP page gives an extra 12 or so MR. So an Abyssal rush means I'm wasting 10 of the 20 reduction if they aren't building MR. However, I can see the benefit for >50 MR. You're right, Kat's ratios are pretty poor. That's why I rush sorc shoes after a kage's (that and the mobility).
I'll have to give it a shot. The only downside to the Abyssal rush now is her harass might be out of range for the 20 MR reduction. It'll help her E->W->R combo though.
I tried starting sorc shoes + haunting guise + abyssal on Katarina yesterday. I think I already have magic penetration runes, and I just seemed to do so incredibly little damage with haunting guise, I think I would have to practice a lot to learn that. I had like 1 kill and 10+ assists early since even the ult was dealing hardly any damage, despite the 40-50 + 40-50% magic penetration.
I also miss spellvamp SO MUCH. Once upon a time katarina could buy the spellvamp gun and gradually farm back up to full health from minion waves.
I also miss spellvamp SO MUCH. Once upon a time katarina could buy the spellvamp gun and gradually farm back up to full health from minion waves.
lazorexplosion
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This patch you should 100% go kage's, sorc boots, dfg on Kat unless you're trying out builds for the next patch when DFG gets overnerfed. DFG's burst is just waaaay too good for kat to delay. From there abyssal is very good. Next patch I'm pretty sure you should go sorc boots abyssal. Abyssal just makes you a way better duelist against other AP mids thanks to the MR, and it's perfect for Kat's low range kit. It's even basically as good as deathcap 1st for damage thanks to the MR reduction.
-29, 10% of the remaining. Chalice is a pretty common start for many mana hungry champs and then there's a few with MR/level. 50-70 is a pretty common amount to see. That said, this is one the reasons I wanted to try Guise before Abyssal. You'll shred them to zero (or close enough to zero) and then they'll get MR via a Chalice/building their own Abyssal so your own Abyssal shreds that and helps deal with their damage. Or they just don't get any MR at all and you win so hard that you cry softly to yourself at your fortune.
As for the range, Q is 675. You can just stay closer than that or you can go Haunting Guise first and not deal with the range (especially if it's hard to visualize 600).
If you need the help to burst someone down in lane, sure. But, generally speaking, Kat doesn't need the DFG for laning phase. If your opponent doesn't get any MR to counter your full shred, sure, delay the Abyssal. But this isn't really going to be the best way to score kills vs zoning and punishing every last cs.
Honestly, I'm probably the worst judge of this. I'm pretty consistent on having 3k-5k+ gold on my second back and just outright buying Guise + Abyssal (or Abyssal + Deathcap) in one go many times.
I know a good game for me with Kat is Boots2 + Guise + Abyssal + Deathcap by the 25m mark. I'd say Guise + Abyssal + Kage's + Boots2 by 20m isn't unreasonable (6000 gold + Pots/Ward expenses).
Can't give them free farm!
Edit: Seriously though, if they haven't gone back (or did but bought pieces for, say, Catalyst or some small items) and I'm still winning the lane, I'll just keep farming and force them away from cs until their jungler makes me leave or until my jungler does something. I hate giving them back opportunities to cs.
That said, I really should be going back when I have 1485 (Guise) or 2650 (Abyssal) gold rather than sitting on it. Giving up a wave of cs is worth just beating them that much harder.
Yeah, it's pretty unbelievable that people can be such dumb assholes.
I've replaced the spellvamp with health regen/lvl seals. I used to have sustain problems and would buy 2-3 healthpots every back. However, since replacing the armor seals with health regen I've been doing a LOT better with the sustain. It's not as good as the old spellvamp just leeching back to full but it makes a noticeable difference.
I am trying to get used to no DFG. It's a crutch that's getting nerfed. I can function pretty well without it. It's just too good right now.
I agree with the little damage Haunting Guise 2nd/3rd item provides. Maybe it's because I only have 2 pages of generic runes (my AP mid page I was using for Kat has mana regen for example) but I didn't feel I was cleaning up with my ult, more like just getting assists with daggers and running away with shunpo once I was at like 100hp. Had much better luck rushing abyssal. Enemy team comps might've factored in.
I also had to always have pots on me (at one point I just bought a red pot instead) so definitely agree with the fact that some life regen is needed. It's easy to be burst down.
I found DFG was better left for late game, not so useful rushing it. Had a 45 min match yesterday and we had their T4 towers down but couldn't finish because they had a full items Tristana and our team couldn't kill them (our Miss Fortune was not that good and got caught trying to sneak an inhib). Got aced twice and the second time they pushed really hard. When I finally respawned there was only Lux and Trist pushing down our base and I guess they both underestimated the damage. I DFG Trist, then ->Q->E->R and she died so fucking fast, then just W'ed the Lux for a double and ran back to kill their base like 1 sec before the rest were back up.
I'm definitely enjoying her but I don't have the sense of security I have with the champs I'm used to playing. Even bursty casters.
Pancakes
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Anivia or Karthus man.
Karthus just spams Q and gets infinite mana back and his E to clean up.
Anivia RRRRRRRRRRR
There's a few other better scaling instant wave clears as well. Morgana I guess can just W and watch minions walk through it to die (though melee minions won't until higher ranks, or you just cast it when they bunch up mid lane). Come late game, her wave clear suffers in speed compared to how fast some others can do it (say, Gragas Q/E, Katarina W, Orianna W, Anivia R, etc.).
She has an easy wave clear but not even the fastest or safest.
She has an easy wave clear but not even the fastest or safest.
Mister Wilhelm
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If skin purchases gave you the champs I'd be more inclined to buy some. I feel some are extremely cool but I can't give a fuck when I have barely enough IP to buy like 1 champ a month. (Ya, I don't play that much).
I was looking at the rewards page and I'm thinking of making some different accounts to get the IP boosts for my main. Would I get in trouble for this?
Edit: Another question. Does normal blind pick still group you by some skill level? I have <100 wins and I'm constantly matched with people with 1k+. A few times I get so stomped it's not even funny.
I was looking at the rewards page and I'm thinking of making some different accounts to get the IP boosts for my main. Would I get in trouble for this?
Edit: Another question. Does normal blind pick still group you by some skill level? I have <100 wins and I'm constantly matched with people with 1k+. A few times I get so stomped it's not even funny.
I could be mistaken but I believe you're matched up more on win ratio than number of wins. It's not a perfect thing by any stretch.
There's a "hidden" rating system used for normal games.
Orianna's is pretty easy with enough AP as well. Though, "with enough AP" basically applies to any champ with a skill that can go through the trees.
So all this talk about AP vs Magic Pen got me thinking.
What's the difference between a rabadon's rush vs a Abyssal + Haunting guise build?
I thought I'd put a little down on paper just for sake of number crunching. Removing runes from the equation (so no magic pen or AP from runes) we'd look at this:
Let's say everyone starts with Kage's and goes into Sorc shoes. Most people seem to like that. gp/5, ap and magic pen. Good Kat start. From there we have two possibilities - Rabadon's for 3600 or Haunting + abyssal for 4135 (henceforth called HA). Disregarding the cost difference for a min we have this:
Rab - 140ap base + 25 kage + 30% = 214.5 and 20 magic pen
HA - 70ap abyssal + 25 kage + 25 Haunting = 120 ap and 60 effective magic pen (since MR reduction applies first)
Q - 200 maxxed (since we max that first) w/ 45% ap ratio (also her highest ratio and most likely to make a strong AP build viable).
At 40MR :
Rab (20 MR after pen) = ((200+ (214.5 * .45)) * (100/100+20) = 246.9
HA (0 MR after pen and reduction) = (200 + (120 * .45)) = 254
at 60MR :
Rab (40 MR after pen) = ((200+ (214.5 * .45)) * (100/100+40) = 211.6
HA (0 MR after pen and reduction) = (200 + (120 * .45)) = 254
at 80MR :
Rab (60 MR after pen) = ((200+ (214.5 * .45)) * (100/100+60) = 185.2
HA (20 MR after pen) = (200 + (120 * .45)) * (100/100+20) = 211.7
I was going to do more, but the ratios are even smaller on her other abilities. I think it's pretty safe to say that you can rush Rabadon's if you are facing someone with < 50MR (the price difference comes into play here), but go for more Magic pen immediately thereafter if the squishes are building any MR. But go HA build if they have built any MR at all.
edit: I started to make a spreadsheet to really crunch the numbers with all sorts of different builds for every one of her abilities but I'm just too lazy to go that far. lol
What's the difference between a rabadon's rush vs a Abyssal + Haunting guise build?
I thought I'd put a little down on paper just for sake of number crunching. Removing runes from the equation (so no magic pen or AP from runes) we'd look at this:
Let's say everyone starts with Kage's and goes into Sorc shoes. Most people seem to like that. gp/5, ap and magic pen. Good Kat start. From there we have two possibilities - Rabadon's for 3600 or Haunting + abyssal for 4135 (henceforth called HA). Disregarding the cost difference for a min we have this:
Rab - 140ap base + 25 kage + 30% = 214.5 and 20 magic pen
HA - 70ap abyssal + 25 kage + 25 Haunting = 120 ap and 60 effective magic pen (since MR reduction applies first)
Q - 200 maxxed (since we max that first) w/ 45% ap ratio (also her highest ratio and most likely to make a strong AP build viable).
At 40MR :
Rab (20 MR after pen) = ((200+ (214.5 * .45)) * (100/100+20) = 246.9
HA (0 MR after pen and reduction) = (200 + (120 * .45)) = 254
at 60MR :
Rab (40 MR after pen) = ((200+ (214.5 * .45)) * (100/100+40) = 211.6
HA (0 MR after pen and reduction) = (200 + (120 * .45)) = 254
at 80MR :
Rab (60 MR after pen) = ((200+ (214.5 * .45)) * (100/100+60) = 185.2
HA (20 MR after pen) = (200 + (120 * .45)) * (100/100+20) = 211.7
I was going to do more, but the ratios are even smaller on her other abilities. I think it's pretty safe to say that you can rush Rabadon's if you are facing someone with < 50MR (the price difference comes into play here), but go for more Magic pen immediately thereafter if the squishes are building any MR. But go HA build if they have built any MR at all.
edit: I started to make a spreadsheet to really crunch the numbers with all sorts of different builds for every one of her abilities but I'm just too lazy to go that far. lol
I definitely don't notice this. Janna still offers loads of CC, some decent harass, and heavy speed buff/debuff options.
Kha'zix post-six can clear entire waves with one W if you aim it and time it right.
Just to note, W first is the better way to build her. Q first if it's an unsafe lane that you can't go in on. Though it does play a lot differently and requires more practice, especially if you're used to playing by just throwing Qs from the back.
The damage is the same (200), though the AP ratio is a lot worse (25%) so that does skew the numbers a bit.
She's also one of the better anti-kill lane supports. I also like having her when I play Kat since 413 movement at Level 1 is sogood.
Janna with a draven is insane vs certain typical meta combos. The damage her shield gives as well abosrbs can never be understated.
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