Oh whatever. I won my lane.
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League of Legends |OT4| No Country for Old Karma
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Oh whatever. I won my lane.
Mister Wilhelm
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Extremely. AP Teemo can carry any team to victory as long as you follow these rules, and I'm not kidding:
1.) Tell your jungler to never gank your lane.
2.) Never leave your lane. Split push all day.
3.) Shroom the fuck out of your side of the enemy jungle as you push.
Nami is godly.
Mister Wilhelm
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Nami was crap upon release but was overbuffed.
Unless you're in love with leona and need to play her now, just save your rp. I feel like buying anything under the 4800ip champs with rp, even when on sale, is a waste.
I love having a Nami supporting the team. A Nami that can hit her bubble is game over.
a case study in why you should ban vayne. and janna. and ahri.
there are only four other people in my entire league.
yes.
Schmattakopf
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cropped out our conversation where I told you so
PhillipCostigan
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And TF.
What did they actually ban? :/
And why you should build MR on Rammus.
And Garen.
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Why do they have a Garen?
What did they actually ban? :/
And why you should build MR on Rammus.
And Garen.
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Why do they have a Garen?
Congrats. Must feel nice.
it would seem rude to post chat logs.
TF was top. and AD. he is not the reason we won although he helped at times. he was an annoying diamond player who couldn't get over that someone of a lower rank got to play adc instead of him because he was last pick.
forgot bans. it was the usual stuff like shen and zac i think. rammus had mr on ga. garen is good and the perfect pick against tf top. he crushed in lane and should have done more. game looked like it was over at 15 and the enemy team was gloating.
it's a relief to have it over, but i am running into lots of people who troll. i liked gold more than my promo series, which was just filled with some really gross characters that i hadn't seen up until now.
Congrats!! The good shall carry their way to the top.
no, i got carried.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Welp, time to dust off my old support boots and get to carrying noobs. I can't have you in a higher league than me!
I'll race ya. Been trying ranked 5s recently, but I want to get back to the solo climb. I think I have to play soon to prevent decay anyway.
You both have inspired me. I will jump in too. Time to rejoin my silver 1 and start playing the rankeds again.
PhillipCostigan
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TF still brings global pressure despite what lane he's in or whether he's AD or not, but whatever.
40 MR against a team with Ahri, Sejuani, TF (even if he's AD he still does magic damage on very ability). Poor itemisation. He didn't even buy a Locket.
Garen gets shit on by any ranged champ, so unless the TF was completely incompetent that's a poor pick against TF. And Garen doesn't do a whole lot outside of lane unless he's disgustingly fed anyway.
Not to mention that Caitlyn's build. Shiv over PD, a second Zeal and B.F. Sword over a last Whisper or any kind of defensive item.
Nashor's Tooth Diana with no Abyssal... (unless she was split pushing a lot, but even still)
Not underselling your achievement (seriously, congrats on getting to plat), but surprised that that kind of shit happens in plat elo.
There are lots of people who can't play properly in plat, but there is a certain other category of people that's more interesting:
People who believe that since they are plat, they are so good they can start to build stupid shit.
PhillipCostigan
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Yeah, I guess I shouldn't really be surprised.
I have a friend who's gold and, until recently (when I told him how dumb it was) built Merc Treads and Ancient Golem. Like he has no concept of itemisation, counter-itemisation, gold value and just general item builds.
But he's good at Hecarim and just mechanically good in general so he got to gold.
Like I'm silver, but I also don't play ranked. I'll make my gold push soon and if I play ADC I'll probably get there. I'm not good.
But it still weirds me out that these people can get as high as they are building like that. Like my mechanics aren't strong, but my positioning and game sense is decent enough so I can play ADC and just right click and use positioning/game sense to carry or do well.
Yeah, people are good at different things. If you're good enough in some parts of the game, building weirdly won't affect you too much until you face people that can play good enough, as getting ahead enough in a game will even out some of the gold inefficiencies of the items you build.
I think it's good that people can be good at different parts of the game, but it's important to keep an open mind and try to learn if one wants to get better.
I think it's good that people can be good at different parts of the game, but it's important to keep an open mind and try to learn if one wants to get better.
Terbinator
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What's GAF's Nami guide? What should i level up first?
the global presence of someone who can't even warp to over half the map is not that big. when tf is mid his ult is big, but off in a sidelane like that not really, and if you leave top lane for too long you just get punished super hard because you will fall way behind on levels and cs, and it's extremely easy to take towers.
it could have been an easier game with a different top laner.
rammus gains 120 mr from his w. reason you would buy GA on rammus is because you are expecting to get focused, so at least you won't die. the item also gives mr and armor at the same time. i wouldn't build it, but it's not that bad. it's the only weird item that he has. nobody builds locket in the jungle, at least in solo. kind of a junk item.
that rammus has like 200 games with a 58% winrate. it's not like he didn't know what he was doing.
you're not considering the lane. top is a terrible lane for twisted fate because he has no escape. garen can do fine with his sustain, and his silence is devestating. he is a great early lane bully and that's exactly what tf is bad against. couple in a ganker like rammus and it's obvious why tf would get crushed in lane. guy had garbage farm and couldn't press his advantage though. shouldn't blame the champion. garen has decent late game scaling. you shouldn't underestimate it.
should she have had a lw? yes. is shiv bad on cait? not really. people are pulling away from pd because it's not a very good item. shiv goes well with caitlyn's push/poke.
eh, you shouldn't be so critical. there is more build variability than you make it out to be. it wasn't the builds that lost the enemy team the game, but their decision making.
all players can make mistakes, and lots of players build sub-optimally at all levels of play. at the end of the day though there were still really strong players in that game that just crushed me and my team early on. the jump in skill between people with ~plat mmr and those lower in gold is immense and completely apparent the more games i put in. it is really humbling.
Or, when somebody dies and is bored waiting to respawn and starts looking for someone to blame for a potential loss, "did someone build something I don't like" is an easy way to pick a target. "Is this person a jungler" or "did this person have a lot of deaths" are other easy ways.
PhillipCostigan
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Sure TF isn't good top, but he can still do things around the map once lane phase ends. With his items He could duel practically anyone on the enemy and he's split push like a beast. You still can't underestimate what TF brings.
It's 120 MR on a timer. No substitute for the constant MR something like Spirit Visage or Banshee's could give him. Especially with Cowl being such a good mid-game item. Also Locket's hardly junk. It's still AoE MR which their team desperately needed, as well as the shield. Not to mention Zyra wasn't building it.
It's not bad on Cait, just PD is better really. More attack speed, more crit and the passive is so undervalued. It's fantastic for an ADC when kiting to not have any units locking them. It's also very gold efficient. Also no defensive item against an Ahri and Sejuani who together, or even Ahri on her own can delete her off the map. It's not like she even had cleanse. If she swapped that last BF Sword for a QSS it could have been very different.
It's not about variability, it's just building poorly.
I wasn't in that game, I can't tell you what happened, if they threw or you just outplayed them in every team fight. I can only look at the screen shot you posted and what peopel built and there are alarm bells ringing everywhere.
ThroneZwei
Banned
She's a gold based carry. I would compare her to Tryndamere, in that CC wrecks her, however unlike Tryndamere she needs to get ahead early to be a threat. However once she reaches her base build(Bloodthirster), she becomes a power house.
She's the Draven of top lane.
What is up with the servers lately? My ping is bouncing constantly between 80ms and 350ms. Even through my VPN I'm getting bad spikes
Feels bad man.
My ping is fine but for the past two weeks there's an odd chance that at the loading screen freezes. It's very subtle, the loading % will just stop. The first few times I didn't notice it all. I'm so used to other players loading slowly I didn't think anything of it. I end up having to restart League. If I'm lucky I can get back into the game before things really start, but yeah, I've been having more connection issues in the past 2 months than the previous 22 I've been playing League.
he only picked up some of those items really late into the game. he never split pushed and would never have been able to because their zyra had some of the best ward coverage i've ever seen and tf doesn't have escapes that would work against the enemy team. his dueling potential is much lower than you imagine because it is ad tf, and he will blow up when you sneeze near him.
you just don't know what you are talking about. building more than one mr item when the real damage threat was vayne isn't going to help. 20 mr isn't going to save anyone and people don't buy locket because its power is situational. this wasn't the right situation.
shiv gives more movespeed and benefits ranged poke more. pd is a very underwhelming item that ad carries are moving away from. it is pointless to critique this aspect of caitlyn's build. she was probably trying to build in a way that would allow her to focus ahri or vayne but poke of they had to push. qss is not going to save her in team fights like that.
just because you are incapable of understanding builds doesn't mean they are poor. their focus was on catching people out. rammus actually had mob boots earlier that he sold later on as he tried to regear for team fights. if they had played in a style that continued to support them catching people out with zyra's items and rammus they would have won.
okay? people are not going to always build the best items. what they do is situational and has its own benefits. i had ahri with no zhonya's and ad tf on my team. the game is dynamic and isn't just going to have people with ideal builds, but it is difficult to stress enough that the builds aren't making or breaking the games.
ThroneZwei
Banned
Bad news then. Morellos talked about removing her passive. CAUSE NO COUNTERPLAY OR SOMETHING LOLOK.
I dislike the route this game is going. Next champion revealed will be the breaking point...because they're just releasing bland champions that fit the meta instead of its own merits.
Yea, isn't he talking about removing all global abilities?
ThroneZwei
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He already nuked TFs, I think Zileans is already on the chopping block, and that's it on that note I believe.
It's...it's eh. I can see why, but it kills a part of that character.
I know what you mean. Champions have these abilities because they are each unique (or at least should be in my mind). I sort of get that they want to make it so players win games because of what a player can actually do, and not some passive stat you get from a pick.
ThroneZwei
Banned
Yup. It's why I have a problem with Lucian. all his moves aren't original, he could've been so unique and different. His ultimate? His ultimate is great. His cross aoe? It's a cool skill, with a crappy application. His dash...is a dash. Stop that, ADCs don't need dashes. His Q? meh.
Like, I'm sure in theory they work ok. But there's nothing special other than his ult :/ I really liked Thresh though.
Oh shit, you might actually know what you're talking about.
multiple qualities make a champion good at a 1v3. its not necessary that they be have all attributes as that would remove decision making and variability.
1- ranged farm
1b - aoe wave clear
2- escape
3- resistance (sustain or harass reduction)
4- less gold dependence (utility or high base damage)
4b- or less level dependant but more gold dependant with easy farm capabilities
5- good dueler (because ultimately, the lane is swapped into a 1v1)
6- dive resistance
e.g.s common 1v2-ers have been
rumble (1b, slight 2 and 3, and mostly 4, with his ult)
karthus (1, 4b)
tf (1, 4 - utility with ult)
kennen (1, 2, 4, 5)
renekton (1b, slight 2, 3, 4, 5)
im not asking for an artificial fix at all. im asking them to design champions in the current metagame, instead of attempting to design the metagame.
and if 1v2 champions are truely over powered in a 1v1 situation, then we might see the 1-1-2 meta re-emerge naturally.
I like the idea of a summonerspell to assist a 1v2-er. thats a good example of natural design for the current meta.
movement of global gold from outer to inner towers is okay too, because that can be visually communicated to players. (outer towers look crappier and less bling than inner towers - therefore less gold)
xp taxes for 2v1 are weird and too obtuse.
i agree with you that we should wait for S4 changes, but I really was just responding to the rhetoric of morello which sheds a little light on the direction they would like to take.
i think the real issue is that passives should supplement the playstyle of the champion while global passives do literally nothing to your own playstyle (other than make you relevant while standing around). Furthermore, a passive ability which makes the whole map stronger is more suited to being an actual ability because in that situation there is decision making and sacrifice - you have to forgo lane power in order to buff your team mates
His dash, while boring gets interactions with his ult. i think they try to concentrate on the overall experience of playing a champion. lucian seems like a burst caster mm, which isnt that common really.
though i personally think the design space for 'marksmen' is kinda limited already. mages get more cool stuff
Mister Negative
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I played with a teemo that did this the other day. he destroyed. his side of the map looked like a goddamn minefield.
Edit: I've heard it said that Shiv's added waveclear actually makes it better than PD situationally. On a champ like Cait though, who already has great waveclear, I'd build PD.
Hell, just play off the name Marksman. Make him have a rifle and a pistol.
Passive: Attacking a target within 100 range causes X to use the butt of his pistol to stun the target for 0.5 seconds. This effect cannot occur more than once every 10 seconds. Attacking a target between 500-600 range deals a small amount of true damage.
Ultimate: Marks a target. This target takes an extra 4/6/8/10% damage from all X's abilities and can enable secondary effects. This target is also visible for 1/2/3 seconds after marked. This ability is automatically unlocked at level 1.
Q: Shoots X's rifle in a straight line, dealing damage and slowing the target. If the champion hit is marked, the champion is rooted for 1 second. If marked champion is within Y range (but not the hit champion), that champion is slowed for half the amount as well.
W: For the next Y seconds, all attacks either deal bonus damage to the marked target if attacked. If another target within Y range is marked instead of the attacked target, that target takes 20% of the damage the attacked target takes.
E: X shoots a hookshot out of his pistol at the enemy champion (skillshot), dealing minor magic damage and pulling X to the enemy champion. If the champion is marked, this ability can be used again within three seconds. If a champion within Y range is marked, X side shoots this champion for minor damage.
Making up champions is fun! Not balanced, but fun.
Passive: Attacking a target within 100 range causes X to use the butt of his pistol to stun the target for 0.5 seconds. This effect cannot occur more than once every 10 seconds. Attacking a target between 500-600 range deals a small amount of true damage.
Ultimate: Marks a target. This target takes an extra 4/6/8/10% damage from all X's abilities and can enable secondary effects. This target is also visible for 1/2/3 seconds after marked. This ability is automatically unlocked at level 1.
Q: Shoots X's rifle in a straight line, dealing damage and slowing the target. If the champion hit is marked, the champion is rooted for 1 second. If marked champion is within Y range (but not the hit champion), that champion is slowed for half the amount as well.
W: For the next Y seconds, all attacks either deal bonus damage to the marked target if attacked. If another target within Y range is marked instead of the attacked target, that target takes 20% of the damage the attacked target takes.
E: X shoots a hookshot out of his pistol at the enemy champion (skillshot), dealing minor magic damage and pulling X to the enemy champion. If the champion is marked, this ability can be used again within three seconds. If a champion within Y range is marked, X side shoots this champion for minor damage.
Making up champions is fun! Not balanced, but fun.
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