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League of Legends |OT4| No Country for Old Karma

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Snowman

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Lee Sin jungle is my new thing. Just play korean style, ignore your jungle for the most part and just gank constantly. If you don't get ahead early you're fucked but you can usually get at least 1 lane snowballing with all those ganks.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Did I make a mistake getting Kha? I've played 2 games with him so far and have failed every time...
so you didn't listen to me. i guess that makes you an official member of leaguegaf.
Try Lv2 mid Kha cheese. Get to Lv2 then pay a visit on the enemy jungler's red.
uh...what? i can usually hit a lane at three on jungler by the time someone hits two.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Spose it depends on the jungler and whether they're doing a full jungle clear at the start or not. Still seems like a super risky move tho.
if you are doing a full jungle clear you don't know how to jungle. one buff to the other. usually better to start near your bot lane.

also...taking a route where you wouldn't get seen would take an incredible amount of time.
 

scy

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Spose it depends on the jungler and whether they're doing a full jungle clear at the start or not. Still seems like a super risky move tho.

Pretty much no jungler should be doing anything besides blue -> red (/red -> blue, depending). Just not worth stopping for a camp, really.

And does the Jungler really matter? Leashed buff to next buff camp isn't really reliant on the Jungler. The time is basically the same.
 

Boken

Banned
this is the weapon the new champion uses.

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another ADC already?

or a ranged bruiser? pls pls pls a grenade shooting short ranged bruiser mage

just realised, this just looks like grave's gun - upside down.

lending support to the X and VI being clones
 

Snowman

Member
It's like super not common at the moment but you can still go smite on blue and do the full clear right? Not saying it's the best thing to do at all but on some junglers I can see it being okay.
 

scy

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just realised, this just looks like grave's gun - upside down.

lending support to the X and VI being clones

And support to her being the gunsmith that made Destiny.

It's like super not common at the moment but you can still go smite on blue and do the full clear right? Not saying it's the best thing to do at all but on some junglers I can see it being okay.

To what end, however? You're gaining nothing in this route.
 

Snowman

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To what end, however? You're gaining nothing in this route.

Really? You don't get slightly faster exp/money if you use that route if you're not planning on ganking? Guess it makes sure your lanes get the exp from the first minions so they don't get out-leveled at 2.
 

scy

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Really? You don't get slightly faster exp/money if you use that route if you're not planning on ganking? Guess it makes sure your lanes get the exp from the first minions so they don't get out-leveled at 2.

Buff to buff is a faster 3. Even if you don't gank, you're better off going buff to buff if your goal is EXP for yourself.
 

drawkcaB

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just realised, this just looks like grave's gun - upside down.

lending support to the X and VI being clones

It's a minigun too. It has three barrels and there's a shoulder strap and a horizontal handle to hold the gun. I'm hoping she's an AP carry who uses the various barrels to cast her different spells. Another ADC this year after Quinn and Lucian - neither of which I like - doesn't exactly get me hyped.
 

Snowman

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Buff to buff is a faster 3. Even if you don't gank, you're better off going buff to buff if your goal is EXP for yourself.

I don't know why you'd do it as I never do, but I've seen others do it every now and again and assumed there must be some reason.
 

drawkcaB

Member
Buff to buff is a faster 3. Even if you don't gank, you're better off going buff to buff if your goal is EXP for yourself.

Also, running buff-to-buff and then clearing the remaining camps in the event the gank opportunities just aren't there isn't substantially slower to level 4 than clearing the camps in order. Hell, I've managed to get faster times to level 4 on a few junglers, though I can't remember which at the moment.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
i would rather have both buffs secured and coming up again sooner than run a full first route.
 

scy

Member
Just because people do it doesn't mean it's correct or has a reason that's worth it. People do wrong things while thinking it's correct all the time.
 

Snowman

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Just because people do it doesn't mean it's correct or has a reason that's worth it. People do wrong things while thinking it's correct all the time.

Not my point at all! We were talking about the weird lvl 2 khazix red invade, and I said it might work against people doing weird things in the jungle.

And for the record I still think it's not a great play, just saying things like that can work.

Had a game the other day where we had a ward on their red buff for some reason I can't remember. I went red->blue on Lee, forgot to smite the blue because I'm an idiot, but then noticed their jungler still hadn't got to their red yet, so I just ran across q'd over the red buff wall, smited it and ran off. Then told myself that I planned it all along and that's why I didn't smite blue.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
it's not like kha'zix kill potential at level two is that high anyways. even if you caught someone in the jungle you probably just blow a flash or something.
 

Snowman

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I would never plan for bad plays :x

Me neither, but that thing where you go to their red after your blue wait for them to do it and then pounce and try to kill them/steal red is pretty common. And I feel like that's pretty risky and if the other team play it right you're basically screwed.

I think the idea is you can just jump out again on khazix with your leap, I think I saw someone try it the other day but the khazix just died because you don't get 3 off of just red anymore.
 

scy

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Me neither, but that thing where you go to their red after your blue wait for them to do it and then pounce and try to kill them/steal red is pretty common. And I feel like that's pretty risky and if the other team play it right you're basically screwed.

This was about a mid-lane Kha'zix doing it, not a Jungle Kha'zix. This means leaving your lane for ~15-ish seconds and hoping that all goes right? Just seems like high risk with a low expected success rate for a so-so return.
 

Snowman

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This was about a mid-lane Kha'zix doing it, not a Jungle Kha'zix. This means leaving your lane for ~15-ish seconds and hoping that all goes right? Just seems like high risk with a low expected success rate for a so-so return.

I know, that's what I said, I was just saying it could work sometimes.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Me neither, but that thing where you go to their red after your blue wait for them to do it and then pounce and try to kill them/steal red is pretty common. And I feel like that's pretty risky and if the other team play it right you're basically screwed.

I think the idea is you can just jump out again on khazix with your leap, I think I saw someone try it the other day but the khazix just died because you don't get 3 off of just red anymore.
it is only common for the jungler to invade at red. nobody else could do it because smite will always be saved for second buff. it would never be worth it. how would you know where they started? are you investing in a ward? that sets you back even further. spending time out of lane early game while your opponent sits and farms up (or easily follows) is a death sentence. what path do you even take to get there to steal?
 

Snowman

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it is only common for the jungler to invade at red. nobody else could do it because smite will always be saved for second buff. it would never be worth it. how would you know where they started? are you investing in a ward? that sets you back even further. spending time out of lane early game while your opponent sits and farms up (or easily follows) is a death sentence. what path do you even take to get there to steal?

Yeah you're right the thing that other guy suggested is completely stupid and has no merit or worth at all.
 

Blizzard

Banned
Happened to me too when I was in silver 1 :(
Happened to them for 3 wins in a row. Someone was saying sometimes when you're on a streak you will still gain MMR, but you won't increase in point gains until you lose a game. Or maybe it just takes a long streak.

I went like -4, +5, +12 in 3 games.

I've kept working on my Sejuani, slowly starting to climb LP again after some bad days. One of my losses was 4/0/1 which looks kind of funny (0/7/0 adc that game), and my loss today had bot lane go 25 deaths combined, mid lane 10 deaths. I still make lots of mistakes but I feel like I can reasonably contribute to the team in some of my games. Dragon is one thing I could probably improve a lot on. If nothing else, I try to ward a lot, and get oracles when I have the gold.

if you are doing a full jungle clear you don't know how to jungle. one buff to the other. usually better to start near your bot lane.

also...taking a route where you wouldn't get seen would take an incredible amount of time.
Pretty much no jungler should be doing anything besides blue -> red (/red -> blue, depending). Just not worth stopping for a camp, really.

And does the Jungler really matter? Leashed buff to next buff camp isn't really reliant on the Jungler. The time is basically the same.
I agree with this since dimb told me to start going red -> blue. Usually people will help you enough to get red without smite, and if I go red -> dash to blue, with smite, then top or mid, I think I might sometimes get to lane at level 3 when the laner is 1 if they are farming very slowly.
 
I'm on a really good run right now after everyone told me to start playing ranked again, originally got thrown into adc in pick order and absolutely destroyed the match as Varus, afterwards I started maining him to improve. I even had a great match where I offered someone who couldn't take a lane adc and I supported him, we did great and won the match.

Overall, I've only done three matches since starting to do ranked again, but I feel that I'm taking it both with more care and with less stress this time around. I've yet to lose, but when it happens I won't care.
 

Snowman

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Happened to them for 3 wins in a row. Someone was saying sometimes when you're on a streak you will still gain MMR, but you won't increase in point gains until you lose a game. Or maybe it just takes a long streak.

This actually makes sense, I wanna say after my two +0LP wins, I lost and got like -17, but then won and got +18 or something. Weird system.
 

Ferga

Member
First promo game. My bot lane tries to cheese with ashe/janna. They don't watch or ward my tri bush so I just straight out get destroyed by a 5man gank at my red because noone wants to help me leash.

Ashe/janna give a double kill to corkii 5seconds into lane. Jarvan gets a free level on me for the entire game and just snowball.

GG.
 

jerd

Member

So painfully close to my first penta. Got the quadra but couldn't kite Yorick enough to finish him off. I've seen some weird things tonight. That was the second Zilean of back to back games (the one before being an adc Zilean, which our bot lane lost to), an Akali ban, the Mejai's on the LB that I was dominating in lane because she was so freaking passive, and the flat out refusal of the enemy team to build any magic resist despite me having nearly 60% of the team's kills. I think its time to call it a night.

Fake edit: Aatrox built a Hexdrinker, they are redeemed.
 

Ferga

Member
Second game, we are winning. Then mid lane and top lane start to fight because of a bad gank. Top lane afks.

Why the fuck does this happen in my diamond promo. wtf.

Edit; Those were the worst 3 games of my life. Holy shit. Why in my promo? WHyyyyyyy

And 51 points for failing promo? Are you forreal? fuck this.
 

Boken

Banned
Second game, we are winning. Then mid lane and top lane start to fight because of a bad gank. Top lane afks.

Why the fuck does this happen in my diamond promo. wtf.

Edit; Those were the worst 3 games of my life. Holy shit. Why in my promo? WHyyyyyyy

And 51 points for failing promo? Are you forreal? fuck this.
0 wins 3 losses
-17lp per loss

What's wrong with that
 
Gotta get some o' dat MMR son.

Phillip.... why are you hacking newt's account?

Bah, I don't need to resort to such tactics. Some day everyone will see the light.

Fiora best champ world pls copy pasterino

ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your worzy opponents ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ
 
Liking Fiora is such a chore.

She's so bad against worthy opponents and her kit is so clunky and always fighting against you b-but she's so fuuuuuuun and cooool and has that sweet teacher skin.
 

Horse Detective

Why the long case?
How do you know if you "really should be" in a certain tier?

Are there really hallmark traits of players in each tier? I obviously know the bronze and silver jokes but I always thought they were about an extreme minority of people that act irrationally in game.
 

Boken

Banned
Did I make a mistake getting Kha? I've played 2 games with him so far and have failed every time...
he doesnt really do too much until level 11. even then hes a shadow of what he once was, specialising in really spread out team fights
tis just dimb
How do you know if you "really should be" in a certain tier?

Are there really hallmark traits of players in each tier? I obviously know the bronze and silver jokes but I always thought they were about an extreme minority of people that act irrationally in game.
you just know if youre better than the people around you
 
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