Wolf Akela
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40 min ARAM game. I'm tired.
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League of Legends |OT4| No Country for Old Karma
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I didn't like her at launch but 3-4 weeks after i picked her up again and i got good results. Now with buffs i bet she's pretty cool to play.
Wolf Akela
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Apparently it wasn't just me. Howling Abyss' elevation is lower, hence something weird about the camera angle.
Yeah, I don't even know what I'd go with Kassadin now. The pots were the only way I was able to CS in the first 6 levels against most matchups.
Guess Flask start.
Wolf Akela
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I go either flask + pots or 1-2 charms + pots as Kass.
Mister Wilhelm
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She's better now but I'm having trouble picturing her being better than the other adcs in most team comps.
Her ult is just such an odd design choice.
PhillipCostigan
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Don't play her as an ADC then.
Play her mid, then when you hit six just roam everywhere. Try that. It's what I do and it works really well. Go BT, Statikk Shiv, Frozen Mallet, Blade of the Ruined King, IE and Bezerker's. Split push and roam. Nobody will beat you 1 v 1.
PhillipCostigan
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Hmmm, only got 52 IP for an ARAM win :/
Thought IP gain was supposed to be the same as SR?
Thought IP gain was supposed to be the same as SR?
Fast win? I got 63-75 IP for my wins.
SenorArdilla
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Harrier Proc, AA, E, AA. Dat Lvl 1 burst.
Mister Wilhelm
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I am sincerely hesitant to roam with any ADC, let alone play them mid.
I welcome you to post replays, though.
SenorArdilla
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So should you build CDR on Lissandra? The potential 48 second Zhonya's sounds tempting.
You can't go wrong with this build:
Are you sure that's not Ryze?
I don't see many people building liandry's on her. Which confuses me. I would probably build one CDR item like Morellonomicon, haunting guise into liandry's later, Zhyona's and maybe abyssal.
She needs some survivability with her all-in nature. She's got the jukes with some cooldown though. You can E in, Q, W, ult yourself, then zhonya's, then E out again.
PhillipCostigan
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I like RoA, Zhonya's, Deathcap, Morello's, Void Staff, Sorc's Shoes on her.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Did they add that thing that shows you how long your CC lasts under the affected oppponent's healthbar?
I've seen it in some of the newer Riot videos but I don't see it in-game.
I've seen it in some of the newer Riot videos but I don't see it in-game.
He wanted a build that would let him roam and go mid. I can do that with my Ryze build.
Diprosalic
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did they give out a judgement kayle skin or why do i have it all of a sudden?
nopeDid you make an acct just for ARAM
yeah I dunno what to start as panth or diana anymore...
I tried flask but I don't like it.
Lone_Prodigy
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The Howling Abyss music is neat. Map is a bit too busy and bright though; as Janna my Typhoons are almost hidden. Don't mind though; scored so many clutch knockups during team fights.
One thing I don't like is that it's blind so dupe heroes are possible. Two Nunu's ulting is like a Venn Diagram.
One thing I don't like is that it's blind so dupe heroes are possible. Two Nunu's ulting is like a Venn Diagram.
I think ARAM queue isn't blind; it's only available on custom ARAM games.
forgeforsaken
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He meant you can have the same champ on both teams, and you dont' see the other team until launch.
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Saw a bunch of people on the official forums talking about this. They said they could easily get 100fps in SR, but they had like an all over the place framerate in the new ARAM map with like 35fps medium.
I get 30-35 fps on the new ARAM map but on rift I get a solid 60 fps.
I will try to get more playing time with Quinn she is pretty interesting adc.
Morello's (/Athene's if scary enough AP in lane) + Zhonya's is Lissandra's base core right now. That's basically the reason the Liandry's is delayed on her.
She straight out bursts a lot of traditional APs and isn't really that squishier than, say, an Ahri. She'll bully the melee ones easily as well. It's not really that bad honestly.
She straight out bursts a lot of traditional APs and isn't really that squishier than, say, an Ahri. She'll bully the melee ones easily as well. It's not really that bad honestly.
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PhillipCostigan
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I dunno I like RoA on her, makes her nice and beefy. The extra mana is nice too, because her spells actually cost quite a bit of mana when her passive isn't up.
Yeah sometimes you might not want an all AD comp, but if you have an AP top or an AP based jungler then it's totally fine.
Also she roams better than pretty much any mid except for Twisted Fate. Move towards the lane you're about to gank, then when you're at the first baron/dragon pit wall pop your ult and fly in. E to the person you want first to stun them and then kill them.
Yeah sometimes you might not want an all AD comp, but if you have an AP top or an AP based jungler then it's totally fine.
Also she roams better than pretty much any mid except for Twisted Fate. Move towards the lane you're about to gank, then when you're at the first baron/dragon pit wall pop your ult and fly in. E to the person you want first to stun them and then kill them.
uh, no?
quinn doesn't have the mobility, range, or cc that ahri does in a fight either.
Not really. The real problem with multiple AD carries on a team is that you are often missing out on utility or crowd control.
Teleport if you aren't using it you're missing the point of the setup. Ashe players use to pro at launching an arrow and timing teleport to finish the kill. If you don't have mobility or teleport you shouldn't be mid period.
Bot this season also favors multiple setups so it's not just your typical adc/support anymore. Kill lanes are much stronger this seasons and various aps combos aren't a slouch. Had zilean with certain support and it worse was than adc/support.
Quinn has two forms of cc and hyper mobility on par with any champion in the game. She has wave clear,an aoe burst execute, gap closing, and targeted burst damage. What utility does she need to have to be an asset? In a team comp with a jungler like Zac, Sej, Eve etc. she can be an awesome mid that brings a lot to the table. Plenty of 'traditional' ap mids have neither cc or utility...much of what works depends on the overall team composition.
Stop being so dismissive out of hand and actually analyze things with an open mind.
PhillipCostigan
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Well Quinn offers a lot of utility. She has an AoE blind, an AoE reveal, a mini-stun/dash and she's one of the quickest champions at crossing the map in the game. You can build her tanky and she does a shit tonne of damage. She can split push well and nobody can 1 v 1 her.
Pretty much what erragal said.
soda cop dismisses champions like there's no tomorrow
tbh I feel her low range might give her a hard time mid, so I think she'll do better top. at least from what I played her as adc, I got great results dueling garen, trundle and olaf.
I mean, her ult is pretty good to get on the face of someone like lux, and she has great waveclear and roaming potential but quinn's no zed.
Quinn is all about her burst. She can straight chunk many low level mids and can bully auto-attack based ones fairly easily due to her blind and the potential damage she has off of Harrier. The Ahri example was just to note that her squishiness in lane isn't exactly an abnormal thing.
Of course there's differences in what they bring to the table. Other mids have better late game utility than she does. She's more about her pushing and roaming potential and her ability to duel.
soda cop dismisses champions like there's no tomorrow
It's a terrible gimmick.
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The problem with ad carry mid is you will need 2 tanks to hold the back line, I guess you can put ap carry in top or jungle, with tank support. But jungle don't level fast enough to take full advantage of ap carry's amazing base damage. Top need to stay in lane too long, so unless you are dominating the lane, enemy won't buy magic resist till late game.
Oh and the ad carry bot better be some one like MF or ezreal, would suck if frozen heart and the item that build into randiun shut down half of your team. Suddenly thornmail become such great item.
Oh and the ad carry bot better be some one like MF or ezreal, would suck if frozen heart and the item that build into randiun shut down half of your team. Suddenly thornmail become such great item.
PROGRAM_IX
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Dobkeratops and I just played a game.
It was fun.
It was fun.
Come on. Blind isn't genuine CC. We might as well say Teemo has two forms of CC and hyper mobility so he must be the sickest ganker alive.
Decent team fighting. Hard CC. An ultimate that she can actually use for more than just cleanup.
Not really actually.
She's an auto attack champion so no but alright. Keep thinking that. She can't even focus her damage on the target she wants.
If she offers split pushing how would that even fit mid or bot lane? Quinn is a poorly designed champion revolving around these weird concepts that translate miserably into practical use. Her late game is atrocious and she isn't half the lane bully as other AD carries with longer range.
I have a more diverse champion roster than most people here. I just played Quinn last night. She is completely ignored by the community and has no real place in the game but I'm just being "dismissive". Okay. Double AD carry comps are full of holes and don't really offer much. It's just annoying when people do it.soda cop dismisses champions like there's no tomorrow
Dobkeratops
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Here's a couple snippets from that game-
(Later, at the enemy base entrance)
Guess who initiates and gets them all killed losing us the game
GUESS
Not really, actually.
did you want me to post a list where nearly every common middle lane mage has hard cc? i didn't really see the point.
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you?
PhillipCostigan
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Quinn's E stuns.
It's short, but it's a stun and it's enough to get a kill in a gank.
As for a list of mids that don't have hard cc: Zed, Kha'Zix, Akali, Eve, Katarina, Kassadin (if you're saying blind isn't cc, then neither is silence), Nidalee, Mordekaiser, Master Yi, Vladimir.
Quinn has more cc than all of them.
Your point continues to be wrong and/or poorly made.
Edit: as for her damage, she can focus it by auto-attacking the champion she wants to hit. Harrier will prioritise the last thing you hit, so if you can't get it to focus you're doing it wrong. Harrier proc -> Q -> E -> Harrier proc is a shit tonne of burst, enough to send any mid laner running away. Her roam is incredible, as are her ganks. You can roam and push, and when it gets to mid game you can split push without any fear of being beaten in a 1 v 1 unless you got shit on in lane phase, which is rare when you're Quinn.
Also you had 17 kills and 9 deaths in your game, you were fully built. She's hardly that bad. Going by what you said many times before, the reason you lost is because you weren't good enough to carry when you were fed.
It's short, but it's a stun and it's enough to get a kill in a gank.
As for a list of mids that don't have hard cc: Zed, Kha'Zix, Akali, Eve, Katarina, Kassadin (if you're saying blind isn't cc, then neither is silence), Nidalee, Mordekaiser, Master Yi, Vladimir.
Quinn has more cc than all of them.
Your point continues to be wrong and/or poorly made.
Edit: as for her damage, she can focus it by auto-attacking the champion she wants to hit. Harrier will prioritise the last thing you hit, so if you can't get it to focus you're doing it wrong. Harrier proc -> Q -> E -> Harrier proc is a shit tonne of burst, enough to send any mid laner running away. Her roam is incredible, as are her ganks. You can roam and push, and when it gets to mid game you can split push without any fear of being beaten in a 1 v 1 unless you got shit on in lane phase, which is rare when you're Quinn.
Also you had 17 kills and 9 deaths in your game, you were fully built. She's hardly that bad. Going by what you said many times before, the reason you lost is because you weren't good enough to carry when you were fed.
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