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[Pandaman]

This is like when panda is telling everyone that maxing Q on kog maw is the most optimal

i literally never said that.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not this again

 

[garath]

It goes down by mere 6 seconds with ranks and the charge time is affected by CDR which you are already getting in the first place. Also if you have an extra charge you're getting 2 W procs not one, so that's 12% bonus damage and that's not counting the extra DPS from the attack speed which means more W procs and more damage. Looking at probuilds I can't see a single pro going QE instead of QW.

Sure it's not unviable but there's not a single tangible advantage. You are doing nothing but handicapping yourself with less damage so you can kill small chickens in one E.

EDIT - Actually, Nightblue goes QE. In which case I rest my case.

Why did you make me look up CLG vs. Gravity to call you a liar?

Another game of Vi maxing W second for Impulse vs. Coast.

And another for Winterfox vs. Impact.

You are literally making stuff up and spreading lies and false information.

Holy shit this smackdown

To add to this you could've just checked Probuilds, garath

Everybody except sirT maxes W second

This is like when panda is telling everyone that maxing Q on kog maw is the most optimal

Whoa whoa whoa. Calm down with the pitchforks. First off, I never said e is the only way to go, only explained why I could see it being a thing. Which it was not too long ago. The only jungler I watch on twitch these days is nightblue who still goes q->e. To see if that's what everyone does I looked at probuilds and scrolled down to the "most successful via players" section. Meteos, kez, etc. All those builds show q->e. I didn't see that the reference games when you click on it were from Dec and Nov. Obviously its changed and most pros go W now. I was wrong and looked up the wrong section of probuilds apparently. Not trying to deceive anyone here, just keep a healthy discussion going. You know, something we do on gaming forums. I guess we could just post about the latest waifu or spam inane shit though. That's a thing in this thread too.

Rather than attempt to crucify me, just point to a source and say I think you might be mistaken. Jeez. Y'all are acting like I killed your kitten.


Edit: actually stone ocean, your post is good and not pitchforky. Appreciated.

Dimb, yours is just dickish. Here's hoping you enjoyed looking up YouTube videos to prove me wrong when a single link to probuilds would have sufficed.

 

[Bacon]

Whoa whoa whoa. Calm down with the pitchforks. First off, I never said e is the only way to go, only explained why I could see it being a thing. Which it was not too long ago. The only jungler I watch on twitch these days is nightblue who still goes q->e. To see if that's what everyone does I looked at probuilds and scrolled down to the "most successful via players" section. Meteos, kez, etc. All those builds show q->e. I didn't see that the reference games when you click on it were from Dec and Nov. Obviously its changed and most pros go W now. I was wrong and looked up the wrong section of probuilds apparently. Not trying to deceive anyone here, just keep a healthy discussion going. You know, something we do on gaming forums. I guess we could just post about the latest waifu or spam inane shit though. That's a thing in this thread too.

Rather than attempt to crucify me, just point to a source and say I think you might be mistaken. Jeez. Y'all are acting like I killed your kitten.


Edit: actually stone ocean, your post is good and not pitchforky. Appreciated.

Dimb, yours is just dickish. Here's hoping you enjoyed looking up YouTube videos to prove me wrong when a single link to probuilds would have sufficed.

YEAH BUT HE SHOWED YOU! SMACKDOWN BABY

 

[Newt]

Hey, you guys stop being so dickish.


You're taking my jawb.

 

[Pancakes]

I'm reporting everyone in here to Rito.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

fuck you pancakes u dont even have dj sona.

 

[Pancakes]

fuck you pancakes u dont even have dj sona.

Lolwut.

 

[Pandaman]

i bought dj sona on both my accounts.

take that pankaks

 

[BlazinAm]

i bought dj sona on both my accounts.

take that pankaks

Damn that RP.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

i bought dj sona on both my accounts.

take that pankaks

fkn nerd

U dont even have muse christmas sona.

 

[Pancakes]

i bought dj sona on both my accounts.

take that pankaks

Rock on you nerd-baller

 

[bokn]

I forgive you garath

 

[NCR Redslayer]

i bought dj sona on both my accounts.

take that pankaks

thats $40 for a pair of sona beats

 

[Jeff-DSA]

I'm reporting everyone in here to Rito.

Nooooooo, my good behavior mystery skin!

 

[Pandaman]

thats $40 for a pair of sona beats

don't forget the dance.

$40 in dances is like a regular saturday.

 

[MrCookiepants]

thats $40 for a pair of sona beats

2 pairs.

Edit: I thought that said breasts. Awk.

 

[Pancakes]

Man, Aphro has such an interesting build path on Sona. spellthief->sightstone->mobis->forbidden idol->sell spellthief+talisman of ascension. The game was over before he could build next item.

Very interesting...

 

[Ghost is Bad]

whats interesting about that

almost everyone that started like targons used to build like that until they nerfed coin

 

[Pancakes]

whats interesting about that

almost everyone that started like targons used to build like that until they nerfed coin

On probuilds most people seem to keep it or upgrade it. Only him and Gleeb seem to bother going Talisman at all.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

almost everyone that started like targons used to build like that until they nerfed coin

.

 

[zkylon]

I meant in a bad way. What's there to be unhappy about, besides balance woes support as a role is probably the healthiest in the game.

i think mid is pretty ok as well

lots of variety

 

[Ghost is Bad]

dont say variety.

every time someone says variety, 5 champs in that role get nerfed

 

[zkylon]

and tbh, i would say top is good too, at least on competitive there's a lot of diversity (lol): lulu, kass (rip), lizzy, gnar, mundo, sion, fizz, irelia, morgana, renek, rumble...

right now only adc and jungle are super bad

 

[Ghost is Bad]

what have you done you fool

now the only champs that will exist in both lanes will be ahri zed and maokai

 

[Sofo]

I'm just glad that we are past that era where it literally was:

Tristana/Kog'maw/Corki

Every single game.

Pd. oh shit, got approved for PBE! Thank you based rito

 

[Edwardo]

demoted to silver 2.

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Ban Leona? Fine, Blitz time.

http://i.imgur.com/Sa6Q4Is.png

Cait had connection problems but still.

 

[zkylon]

what have you done you fool

now the only champs that will exist in both lanes will be ahri zed and maokai

forgot about maokai!

so let's see (most played/contested on the left, bolded are the ones that i think are picked almost every game):

top: kass (rip), lizzy, gnar, rumble, maokai, lulu, sion, irelia, renek, mundo, morg, fizz, hecarim (lol)
jungle: j4, reksai, vi, nidalee, rengar, lee sin, nunu
mid: kass, ahri, leblanc, lizzy, xerath, ezreal, lulu, azir (rip), zed, cassi, morg, ori
adc: kaly, corki, graves, sivir, jinx, trist, lucy, kog
supp: janna, annie, thresh, morg, leona, braum, nami

probably forgetting some and most on the right are rarely picked but yea, not as dire as presented imo, tho jungle and adc could use some shakeups

I'm just glad that we are past that era where it literally was:

Tristana/Kog'maw/Corki

Every single game.

Pd. oh shit, got approved for PBE! Thank you based rito

i mean, at least for competitive it might as well be. corki is in every game unless he's banned and he's usually against graves or sivir every other time

 

[Jeff-DSA]

I just won and got 11 LP for it in silver 5. My MMR is soooo trash.

 

[Sofo]

forgot about maokai!

so let's see (most played/contested on the left, bolded are the ones that i think are picked almost every game):

top: kass (rip), lizzy, gnar, rumble, maokai, lulu, sion, irelia, renek, mundo, morg, fizz, hecarim (lol)
jungle: j4, reksai, vi, nidalee, rengar, lee sin, nunu
mid: kass, ahri, leblanc, lizzy, xerath, ezreal, lulu, azir (rip), zed, cassi, morg, ori
adc: kaly, corki, graves, sivir, jinx, trist, lucy, kog
supp: janna, annie, thresh, morg, leona, braum, nami

probably forgetting some and most on the right are rarely picked but yea, not as dire as presented imo, tho jungle and adc could use some shakeups


i mean, at least for competitive it might as well be. corki is in every game unless he's banned and he's usually against graves or sivir every other time

Yeah I guess you are right! I just have this vague idea when Tristana was at her peak that it literally was a matter of, if she isn't banned, it'd either be first pick or something. Super annoying (as much as I enjoy playing Tristana, I love me some diversity).

 

[Ghost is Bad]

I just won and got 11 LP for it in silver 5. My MMR is soooo trash.

dont worry

Spoiler

it never gets better

 

[zkylon]

i thought this was a decent change for the jungle woes: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2x8j4j/small_jungle_fix_suggestion_from_a_master/

basically to help jungle tanks replace that shield mastery with one that deals a % of your health to monsters, so it's a 9 21 0 mastery that doesn't benefit the 21 9 0s like vi or j4 or reksai or whatever

dunno how balanced that is but i found it was kind of elegant to tie it to 9 21 0 masteries so that if vi or j4 want the faster clear they have to sacrifice their champion damage, which is prolly not worth it for them

some other post suggested to have the shield refresh on smite use instead of on death, which would buff tanks' sustain rather than clear time, and would also help them when fighting other players. i dunno so much about this cos it sounds like it would be abused

Yeah I guess you are right! I just have this vague idea when Tristana was at her peak that it literally was a matter of, if she isn't banned, it'd either be first pick or something. Super annoying (as much as I enjoy playing Tristana, I love me some diversity).

i mean, competitive will always be like that, and adc is a class that's more subtle with the champion differences, which is a nice way to say all adcs look the same to me

i'm kinda sad twitch got nerfed, i found he was one of the most fun adcs to watch, tho right now corki, sivir and kaly are entertaining champions at least.

 

[MrCookiepants]

Shyvana is so underwhelming. Is less tanky than other tanks and does less damage as well. Riot help her.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

wut

shyvana is one of the tankiest champions in the game.

 

[Newt]

wut

shyvana is one of the tankiest champions in the game.

Also one of the highest damage tanks in the game.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Thanks for playing Shaco for the first time in ranked, you worthless piece of human garbage.

 

[zkylon]

Thanks for playing Shaco for the first time in ranked, you worthless piece of human garbage.

nice

 

[drawkcaB]

thought this was a decent change for the jungle woes: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflege...from_a_master/

The problem with the solution is that tank junglers being bad isn't due to difficulty clearing the jungle*. That shit is overblown particularly on fucking r/LoL. You could give them an easier time in the jungle and they'd still be a in bad spot. All you need for proof is S4 where they did have an easy time and were still overshadowed.

There are definitely systems issues at play (e.g. AD being a better jungling stat due to AAs) but the bigger problem is the nitty gritty low level stuff. In other words champion balance. Riot's now had two years worth of cracks at using high level changes to shift jungle picks and it's been hit or miss, mostly miss. Time to get down and dirty.

*Some of the most sustained, safest clears belong to jungle tanks. Nautilus for instance can do a full 6 camp initial clear without a leash and with a pot left in a cake walk, like stupid easy. Starting level 5 (rank 3 Titan's Wrath) he can just sit in the jungle for very long durations. Even supposed "good sustain" junglers like Xin Zhao can't do that.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

Thanks for playing Shaco for the first time in ranked, you worthless piece of human garbage.

whoa whoa whoa

u gotta stop channeling ur inner ghost man

 

[Jeff-DSA]

There are Sona players everywhere. I expected it, but not to this degree.

whoa whoa whoa

u gotta stop channeling ur inner ghost man

No, man. People who try new champs for the first time in ranked are bad people.

 

[WesternHeretic]

There are Sona players everywhere. I expected it, but not to this degree.



No, man. People who try new champs for the first time in ranked are bad people.

Just a game....

After my 200th 4v5 game I stopped caring about people who troll. Just take it as god intended me to lose that game.

 

[zkylon]

The problem with the solution is that tank junglers being bad isn't due to difficulty clearing the jungle*. That shit is overblown particularly on fucking r/LoL. You could give them an easier time in the jungle and they'd still be a in bad spot. All you need for proof is S4 where they did have an easy time and were still overshadowed.

There are definitely systems issues at play (e.g. AD being a better jungling stat due to AAs) but the bigger problem is the nitty gritty low level stuff. In other words champion balance. Riot's now had two years worth of cracks at using high level changes to shift jungle picks and it's been hit or miss, mostly miss. Time to get down and dirty.

*Some of the most sustained, safest clears belong to jungle tanks. Nautilus for instance can do a full 6 camp initial clear without a leash and with a pot left in a cake walk, like stupid easy. Starting level 5 (rank 3 Titan's Wrath) he can just sit in the jungle for very long durations. Even supposed "good sustain" junglers like Xin Zhao can't do that.

yea i wasn't trying to imply that'd be the be-all fix, there needs to be some buffs and/or reworks for some of the junglers (like i said before, amumu needs a better w/e, etc.). i just think it's an elegant way to buff general tank clear speed.

which junglers would you like to see buffed/changed and how?

 

[NCR Redslayer]

yea i wasn't trying to imply that'd be the be-all fix, there needs to be some buffs and/or reworks for some of the junglers (like i said before, amumu needs a better w/e, etc.). i just think it's an elegant way to buff general tank clear speed.

which junglers would you like to see buffed/changed and how?

Give Khazix a slightly higher base armor stat.
The bug needs change.

 

[MrCookiepants]

wut

shyvana is one of the tankiest champions in the game.

Also one of the highest damage tanks in the game.

Really? I've only really played her in ARAM recently. She can't sit on the frontline without dying and her E is pathetic as a poke. Even if I build all damage it feels like I'm hurting less than a full tank Jarvan.

I'll give her a shot in a normal then.

 

[Wolf Akela]

Shyvana's DPS is waaaaaay higher damage than J4. J4's DPS is on the low side. She can build BoRK and complete tank but still do respectable damage.

The only pure tank who can outdamage her is probably Mundo, or maybe Vlad if for some reason you built him pure tank.

 

[Leezard]

now u just never see her because blitz/annie is EVERYWHERE

I pick her and win those matchups. :^)

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Just dodged a Blitz/Kalista combo. Every Kalista I run into right now goes off like crazy and everybody in champ select was fighting. Yeah, no. I don't want any part of that one.

 

[zkylon]

I pick her and win those matchups. :^)

yea i feel like it's definitely a skill matchup, specially against leona

 

[Leezard]

yea i feel like it's definitely a skill matchup, specially against leona

That's what makes Nami so fun to play for me. Just about all lanes are skill matchups, even if they can be slightly favored in one direction or the other.