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yeah but where is she noowwwwwwww
Crap tier. It sucks, because she's really quite a bit of fun to play.
Stone Ocean
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In the bench Urgot used to sit on
It's all slimy and sweaty
It's all slimy and sweaty
Ghost is Bad
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MF has to be on the list for a gameplay update, right?
I don't have the full list in front of me, but isn't she like the only immobile ADC that isn't either a late game hypercarry (ala Jinx/Trist/Kog) or a champ that brings great utility/teamfight presence (Sivir/Urgod/Ashe/Varus)? Granted, I don't really play her but she's in a really weird spot right now.
I don't have the full list in front of me, but isn't she like the only immobile ADC that isn't either a late game hypercarry (ala Jinx/Trist/Kog) or a champ that brings great utility/teamfight presence (Sivir/Urgod/Ashe/Varus)? Granted, I don't really play her but she's in a really weird spot right now.
Stone Ocean
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She already got a mini rework
She just needs balance changes. Either that or chainsaw her kit
She just needs balance changes. Either that or chainsaw her kit
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hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Ghost is Bad
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NERDI haven't played in 2 months.
i think one of MF's reasons for being immobile is that she's such a strong lane bully that she can nullify an enemy ADC entirely while still being a moderate damage dealer mid/late
the problem comes now with the meta shift to hyper tank initiators which nullifies her existence period
unless she gets like 6 kills in 15 minutes and goes IE/triforce then gg idc how tanky you are lategame because you won't get to late
I generally tend to agree with you across the board. This is no different. I was about to say almost exactly this. This is a massive Nerf to jinx. 25 damage for an ult at level 6? What smoke are they cracking? I don't know the distance scaling off the top of my head but at what range does it do even more than an auto attack? I'd understand if there was no windup or something but its a big delay to knock off that ult. What I'd much rather see is maybe a missle width/explosion radius nerf at close range. Widen it as it travels. Given the windup it would be a lot easier to dodge the point blank ones but still reward the use of it.
Tizoc
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Maybe they could at least give Jinx's ult at short range some sort of slow/stun that doesn't apply at the increased range/damage. Because with those nerfs you're better off not using the stupid ult and letting yourself die so you can fire it from the fountain when you respawn. If damage was really an issue, at least give her some utility.
if you need to educate yourself on why jinx rocket does a lot of damage look at the scaling on it, notably the hp% damage: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Jinx
if you're whining that the most played adc who also has the highest win rate in the game is getting a nerf i dunno what to tell you. the ult fires off too fast and is too useful close range, leaving jinx without the close range weakness she should have. jinx is strong in lane and at six, and then scales into one of if not the best late game carry. this is balanced how?
if you're whining that the most played adc who also has the highest win rate in the game is getting a nerf i dunno what to tell you. the ult fires off too fast and is too useful close range, leaving jinx without the close range weakness she should have. jinx is strong in lane and at six, and then scales into one of if not the best late game carry. this is balanced how?
Stone Ocean
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Not arguing she doesn't need a nerf. I just don't think this is the right way to do it.
well having a patch today almost guarantees that 5.8 is gonna be next week the soonest so the nerf might not stick
the damage on her ult is pretty bonkers tho, so i dunno, even if the base damage is kind of shit, she's still gonna do 35% of your missing health plus half an auto before the ramp up.
i'm no jinx expert but it doesn't sound so bad to me, it punishes her for being close to enemies while keeping the same reward as before for being far away, that sounds like something appropriate to jinx
i dunno about the graves nerf tho, i feel like he needed to get hit a bit more early, maybe...
the damage on her ult is pretty bonkers tho, so i dunno, even if the base damage is kind of shit, she's still gonna do 35% of your missing health plus half an auto before the ramp up.
i'm no jinx expert but it doesn't sound so bad to me, it punishes her for being close to enemies while keeping the same reward as before for being far away, that sounds like something appropriate to jinx
i dunno about the graves nerf tho, i feel like he needed to get hit a bit more early, maybe...
Stone Ocean
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Then make her execute scale with range while reducing the base damage a bit. Don't make her point blank ult utterly useless unless you're doing some stupid heal bait duel to the death.
125 base + 40% ratio in one go is completely overkill. You will always do less damage than before unless you land it at capped damage because the range scaling is based on a % increase so anything less than a max range Nidalee spear range ult is nerfed.
125 base + 40% ratio in one go is completely overkill. You will always do less damage than before unless you land it at capped damage because the range scaling is based on a % increase so anything less than a max range Nidalee spear range ult is nerfed.
oh didn't realize they also nerfed the ratio to 0.1
yeah that's pretty harsh
still don't think it's so bad, just reinforces strengths and weaknesses
you're not supposed to be shooting this from close range after all
could be, i dunno, not really very knowledgeable on the subject and i'm mostly displeased with having to wait another week for my lux rework to seriously care about anything else
yeah that's pretty harsh
still don't think it's so bad, just reinforces strengths and weaknesses
you're not supposed to be shooting this from close range after all
could be, i dunno, not really very knowledgeable on the subject and i'm mostly displeased with having to wait another week for my lux rework to seriously care about anything else
BreezyLimbo
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So is that champion mastery thing live?
I think her kit is cool and really fun. She actually takes a lot of skill to use her Q probably. I think something minor like making her E proc W stacks or giving E a bit of a damage buff would be good enough.
Also, Black Cleaver buffs will help her.
Wolf Akela
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I like that Jinx ult is a global AoE Garen ult + scaling.
It just makes sense for her ults to have a disadvantage to it. Draven and Ezreal have damage falloff on their ults, and Ashe's is less effective at close range too.
I just think they need to make it so that the explosion only does the execute damage on the person hit. Doesn't make sense for the explosion to also do an execute to everyone else.
Stone Ocean
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But it already does have a disadvantage, it needs to wind up to deal max damage
Sure, nerf the point blank damage. Don't delete it, however. Removing the AoE execute would be a good idea too, yeah.
Sure, nerf the point blank damage. Don't delete it, however. Removing the AoE execute would be a good idea too, yeah.
Where would she fit the new BC in her build?
Probably IE ---> Phage.
Maybe BT---> Phage
Really not noticeable enough.
Stone Ocean
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So grabbing BC instead of a crit item? Or just sitting on a Phage?
Nah, you would actually buy BC. I'll test it on my PBE account once I get the time.
Stone Ocean
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BT into BC sounds like a tank Legolas
Sounds fun
Sounds fun
Well MF already has crazy high base HP.
Mister Negative
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Man toplane is such a weird place.
It makes me so nervous. I feel like once you're down a little bit you have to play super cautious. I've been playing a ton of shen today. Really liking him. Feels amazing to ult into a teamfight and get a four man taunt.
It makes me so nervous. I feel like once you're down a little bit you have to play super cautious. I've been playing a ton of shen today. Really liking him. Feels amazing to ult into a teamfight and get a four man taunt.
WesternHeretic
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Shen is in such a bad place. As a top lane main I love it when someone picks Shen... YAY free lane.
Then again he deserve it after his dominance from season 2-3. But I do feel like he's been in the gutter for too long season 4 was his repenting. I think they need to unlock him from nerf hell though. Return of the Shen!
Then again he deserve it after his dominance from season 2-3. But I do feel like he's been in the gutter for too long season 4 was his repenting. I think they need to unlock him from nerf hell though. Return of the Shen!
they prolly need to make his knife thingie a skillshot or something
the whole manaless targeted poke thing is not too cool
Ghost is Bad
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nah he doesn't need a skillshot.
what he needs is mr per level.
what he needs is mr per level.
I hope you're one of the lucky ones that doesn't have to see what Plat is actually like.
I'm not seeing him that often, to be honest. He's harder to play now though. His Q is harder to hit, his ult took damage reduction, and the tanks can get in on him pretty easily.
i wonder if anyone would play ranked teams if there was a similar restriction to the one for duo queue
it feels like every other ranked teams game i play it's like a d1 carrying a bunch of plats
what's sad is that my ranked teams team is like s1, so it's not like we're any good or anything
called it!
it feels like every other ranked teams game i play it's like a d1 carrying a bunch of plats
what's sad is that my ranked teams team is like s1, so it's not like we're any good or anything
i mean yeah but like, i think i've read rito saying that the knife thingie's holding him back cos it's just not a very cool laning style
called it!
WesternHeretic
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In a game with a Shen right now.. ugh. Fuck this champion so useless
WesternHeretic
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I disagree. Shen so useless.
The TP is almost always late, or stopped. His split push is slow as fuck. I could just go Hec or anyone that builds hydra and make him sit at tower all day trying to CS.
He's most likely going to lose CS by at least 50. I mean even watching challenger players lose with. The last player that I remember having any success on Shen was PDD when Spirit Visage still gave 20% CDR. I remember Toy'z team running Shen like maybe a year ago and even they gave up on that shit, and you know Taiwan loves them some Shen.
People concerned about Jinx and/or Graves nerfs, aren't PBE changes sometimes experimental (thus the PBE beta nature), and don't always make it into the game?
Maybe we should wait until the actual patch to panic. If there's some sort of PBE feedback forum, maybe Riot will also accept suggestions about the current PBE iteration.
Maybe we should wait until the actual patch to panic. If there's some sort of PBE feedback forum, maybe Riot will also accept suggestions about the current PBE iteration.
Ghost is Bad
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shen is actually a pirate who stole a kabuki ninja costume from a cosplayer who was visiting riot hq
they're almost 100% in there: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.co...ting-excuse-for-an-olaf-riot-jinx-pbe-changes
Jinx took the larger nerf, but the nerfs are very similar in nature, especially when you say that graves gets some kind of compensation that jinx does not, as their close/long damage is untouched for both of them.
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