Shining Sunshine
Banned
Eh, it's just a stupid patch. They screwed up big time with the World's patch.
The rest of Season 5 was just fine.
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League of Legends World Championships 2015 |OCT 1-OCT 31|
- Thread starter thestopsign
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Eh, it's just a stupid patch. They screwed up big time with the World's patch.
The rest of Season 5 was just fine.
They did, and it soured pick/ban for the biggest tournament of the year, the more reworks and champions they add the more likely they screw up balancing again. It's time to update pick/ban phase.Eh, it's just a stupid patch. They screwed up big time with the World's patch.
The rest of Season 5 was just fine.
Wolf Akela
Member
I think people are banning them simply because they havent practiced enough with/against them since they were released so close to Worlds. Not necessarily because theyre OP.
GP and Morde saw the biggest changes out of all the Juggernauts.
GP and Morde saw the biggest changes out of all the Juggernauts.
Why not pick one of them then? The other team can't stop you from first-picking one, or second-picking the other if the first gets picked, if they're both unbanned.No, GP and Morde are simply broken. They lack counterplay.
A champ without cc and mobility lacks counterplay now?No, GP and Morde are simply broken. They lack counterplay.
His numbers are a bit high, but he should be fine with a minor nerf. He's kiteable.
Lol. Getting killed by a flash auto isn't kitable.A champ without cc and mobility lacks counterplay now?
His numbers are a bit high, but he should be fine with a minor nerf. He's kiteable.
Kotetsu534
Member
I think someone explained (near the start of the tournament) that most teams think GP is a very bad pick into Mordekaiser so they don't want to leave both up. Mordekaiser accerelates the game with his dragon pushes and faster experience for him and his support, while GP wants a slow, farm heavy game to maximise his gold. Fnatic did leave both up against EDG, but they drafted extremely defensively after that and were holding out for the late game. Most teams probably don't have the confidence to attempt that.
ATXAlchemy
Member
I know this is the Championship threads and all, but I am going to replace the voice over if they include Master Yi shouting DEMACIA as a joke from this video or something.
I heard the other way aroundI think someone explained (near the start of the tournament) that most teams think GP is a very bad pick into Mordekaiser so they don't want to leave both up. Mordekaiser accerelates the game with his dragon pushes and faster experience for him and his support, while GP wants a slow, farm heavy game to maximise his gold. Fnatic did leave both up against EDG, but they drafted extremely defensively after that and were holding out for the late game. Most teams probably don't have the confidence to attempt that.
People say that Morde is a bad pick into GP because Morde has to walk into barrel range every time
but I see that Morde accelerates games and so that works against GP
Therefore, they work well against each other, you just have to draft well.
Teams just need to grow a pair on red side seriously.
So morde is only relevant every 5 minutes??Lol. Getting killed by a flash auto isn't kitable.
You must hate Annie.Lol. Getting killed by a flash auto isn't kitable.
Stone Ocean
Member
No, it shows how Riot needs to balance their game more aggressively leading up to worldsThe fact two bans out of 6 have to go to Morde/GP every game just shows how desperately they need to add more bans to champ select.
Although now if they could, they would be able to completely wreck a jungler's pool with Gragas disabled.
Stone Ocean
Member
There's a very slim chance that if you throw a Gragas Q it'll disappear and be stuck without being able to cast it again until you restart the client. I assume that affects Lux E and Ziggs satchel as wellAnyone know what the bug is?
If it affects Gragas, Ziggs and Lux, the one thing they share is the barrel/mine/trap.
Diprosalic
Banned
Anyone know what the bug is?
If it affects Gragas, Ziggs and Lux, the one thing they share is the barrel/mine/trap.
spells that you can trigger early (barrel/mine/trap) sometimes get stuck and the game thinks it hasn't gone off yet but it already did meaning you can't cast that spell anymore.
nobody really knows when it happens, riot can't reproduce it.
Stone Ocean
Member
It happens extremely rarely and no one knows how to reproduce it. Kinda hard to fix that.The worst part is that bug has been around for ages.
You must hate Annie.
Annie have been nerfed, but yeah, fuck Annie.
Don't get me wrong, I agree, but I'm not confident in them doing that anymore.No, it shows how Riot needs to balance their game more aggressively leading up to worlds
Why are people so against more bans in champ select?
Stone Ocean
Member
Because they'll just be used for targeted bans, changing effectively nothing about what is bad about the current draft while making games more boring because you'll never see stuff like Niels getting Kalista or Fenix getting Azir anymore.Don't get me wrong, I agree, but I'm not confident in them doing that anymore.
Why are people so against more bans in champ select?
Proper drafting is a skill. More bans will just dumb it down because now you get to ban overpowered stuff and also shut down specific players in the enemy team with no compromise whatsoever.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
They did, and it soured pick/ban for the biggest tournament of the year, the more reworks and champions they add the more likely they screw up balancing again. It's time to update pick/ban phase.
It's not the solution.
If you look at that other game's major tournament, there are 10 heroes with 75%+ Pick/Ban rate, and it has less characters. League doesn't even have 6 champions with that 75+ Pick/Ban rate. 10 bans isn't going to do anything but stifle team comp creativity.
Imagine if a team targets the ADC for bans, there are only 16 Marksmens viable to pick. What are you left with if most of them are banned out or counterpicked?
10 bans work for that other game because the lane roles aren't the same as League. GP and Mordekaiser are just anomalies that could have been prevented if Rito had this patch in a month before summer split end.
Definitely understand what both of you are saying, (haha "that other game...") I'm just supremely frustrated by this tournament and it's perma-morde/gp bans that lead to the blue advantage.
I mean I guess the hope is they learn their lesson and don't push a huge patch like this again without ample time to tune it.
I mean I guess the hope is they learn their lesson and don't push a huge patch like this again without ample time to tune it.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Definitely understand what both of you are saying, (haha "that other game...") I'm just supremely frustrated by this tournament and it's perma-morde/gp bans that lead to the blue advantage.
I mean I guess the hope is they learn their lesson and don't push a huge patch like this again without ample time to tune it.
Well, at least the picks have been more diverse than they were last World's. The current meta is offering more diversity, but might be a result of GP/Morde being banned all the time.
72 picks so far versus the 50 picks of last year's Worlds.
at this point it's abundantly clear it was a mistake to do the patch so close to worlds, but fortunately something that can be easily fixed for next years
i think champion diversity has been partly due to less amount of bans but rito should be properly credited for actually pushing that through all year.
i'd like to see numbers to be certain but i'm pretty sure it's been the year with most champion diversity in a while, thanks to a lot of disruption from rito with like the jungle changes, the ap itemization rework, the juggernaut and tank item stuff, and lots of reworks in general.
i think it's been a really succesful year for league as a game despite this worlds hiccup
i think champion diversity has been partly due to less amount of bans but rito should be properly credited for actually pushing that through all year.
i'd like to see numbers to be certain but i'm pretty sure it's been the year with most champion diversity in a while, thanks to a lot of disruption from rito with like the jungle changes, the ap itemization rework, the juggernaut and tank item stuff, and lots of reworks in general.
i think it's been a really succesful year for league as a game despite this worlds hiccup
riskybusinesstomcruise
Member
I like Fnatic's odds against KOO. Huni's shown he knows how to handle Fiora in lane, at the very least on Riven, and presumably he also knows the match-up on Darius at a minimum. There's no practical way to ban out both, especially red side. I also feel like Fnatic's more likely to pick Kench than ban him, which will probably scare KOO off the Ashe pick entirely in one or more games.
Fnatic's default compositions work fairly well into KOO's, and there just aren't enough non-generic bans available in this meta for them to pick their way out of that problem if Fnatic's smart about it, especially when Fnatic has blue side. I don't really feel like Kuro has any significant edge over Febiven, either.
Kuro is a considerably weaker mid than Febiven IMO.
i forget which one was it, i think he had a good and a bad leblanc game, but febiven's been one of the stars of the tournament for sure, specially since he's had a lot of versatility and individual success. it's not like faker that's just playing random shit and feeding and getting carriedI think top and bot lane are indeed receiving the most attention right now. Not that we haven't seen mid lane carrying though, just look at Febiven's latest Leblanc game.
but it's been a top/adc centric tournament which makes sense in a tank meta, mids get more of a utility role
to me it kind of sucks cos midlaners are usually the most mechanically skilled players and the most fun to watch. watching uzi or imp or piglet at their primes might've been impressive but it's certainly nowhere near as fun as an midlaner duel (i think godv had a really good ekko vs azir outplay) or just a wombo combo like xpeke's ori against kt
fiora play has been awesome tho
i forget which one was it, i think he had a good and a bad leblanc game, but febiven's been one of the stars of the tournament for sure, specially since he's had a lot of versatility and individual success. it's not like faker that's just playing random shit and feeding and getting carried
but it's been a top/adc centric tournament which makes sense in a tank meta, mids get more of a utility role
to me it kind of sucks cos midlaners are usually the most mechanically skilled players and the most fun to watch. watching uzi or imp or piglet at their primes might've been impressive but it's certainly nowhere near as fun as an midlaner duel (i think godv had a really good ekko vs azir outplay) or just a wombo combo like xpeke's ori against kt
fiora play has been awesome tho
Febiven had that game against AHQ where he had limited success with LB (some really nice kills such as jumping on Jinx exactly when Tahm Kench spit her out), getting killed some and then finally when Fnatic has lost 3 inhibs he pretty much oneshot Jinx which won Fnatic the game. That's the bad game I think.
He had that game against EDG where he went 8-0 and it was a pure stomp as well.
I still think we see some beautiful Anivia play and some nice Azir plays, but it's no Faker vs Ryu Zed duel, that's for sure. Watching Fiora is also nice.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Faker has been playing late game scaling insurance champs, so he doesn't carry until late game, which they never really get to. He still has huge affect on the game by destroying his lane opponent in CS.
ah that's true, in one of the anivia games peke was a joy to watch.Febiven had that game against AHQ where he had limited success with LB (some really nice kills such as jumping on Jinx exactly when Tahm Kench spit her out), getting killed some and then finally when Fnatic has lost 3 inhibs he pretty much oneshot Jinx which won Fnatic the game. That's the bad game I think.
He had that game against EDG where he went 8-0 and it was a pure stomp as well.
I still think we see some beautiful Anivia play and some nice Azir plays, but it's no Faker vs Ryu Zed duel, that's for sure. Watching Fiora is also nice.
but they've been mostly very tame plays by midlaners this worlds, which kind of makes me sad
speaking of, fuck ryze and everything about himFaker has been playing late game scaling insurance champs, so he doesn't carry until late game, which they never really get to. He still has huge affect on the game by destroying his lane opponent in CS.
what a shitty champion
speaking of, fuck ryze and everything about him
what a shitty champion
not in Faker's hands its not apparently (at least in the matches I've watched)
not in Faker's hands its not apparently (at least in the matches I've watched)
Don't respond to zkylon either
he hates male champions with a passion
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Don't respond to zkylon either
he hates male champions with a passion
inb4 female ryze skin
Imperfected
Member
not really, ryze is just a shitty champion and it's a pity to see someone as talented as faker just passively farm and then mash buttons with him
wish he was playing something that wasn't garbage
tho faker played pretty terrible with azir so maybe it's for the best
Don't worry, in three years they'll "remake" him again and he'll be Fine(tm).
Kotetsu534
Member
Faker's picks so far:
3x Ryze (vs. EDG twice, vs. AHQ)
1x Azir (vs. H2K)
1x Olaf (vs. BKT)
1x Karthus (vs. H2K)
1x Twisted Fate (vs. BKT)
1x Lulu (vs. AHQ)
1x Kassadin (vs. AHQ)
3x Ryze (vs. EDG twice, vs. AHQ)
1x Azir (vs. H2K)
1x Olaf (vs. BKT)
1x Karthus (vs. H2K)
1x Twisted Fate (vs. BKT)
1x Lulu (vs. AHQ)
1x Kassadin (vs. AHQ)
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Faker's picks so far:
3x Ryze (vs. EDG twice, vs. AHQ)
1x Azir (vs. H2K)
1x Olaf (vs. BKT)
1x Karthus (vs. H2K)
1x Twisted Fate (vs. BKT)
1x Lulu (vs. AHQ)
1x Kassadin (vs. AHQ)
Ah, Ezhoon played Karthus and TF.
Would be really sad to see a Kr vs Kr finals. Hoping for an upset here. This is the best chance to reach the finals in years.
Well, FNC vs SKT would be as sad as last time too =/
Primethius
Banned
My preference for finals:
SKT vs Fnatic
or
SKT vs Koo
I absolutely don't want OG vs Fnatic because like the LCS Split, I expect current Fnatic to just walk all over them making it a fairly boring finals.
SKT vs Fnatic
or
SKT vs Koo
I absolutely don't want OG vs Fnatic because like the LCS Split, I expect current Fnatic to just walk all over them making it a fairly boring finals.
Well, FNC vs SKT would be as sad as last time too =/
Fnatic vs SKT would be the most awesome final. Just look at the bo5 during MSI.
No way OG is gonna win against SKT btw. SKT has a pretty easy road to the finals though this year. :d
My preference for finals:
SKT vs Fnatic
or
SKT vs Koo
I absolutely don't want OG vs Fnatic because like the LCS Split, I expect current Fnatic to just walk all over them making it a fairly boring finals.
LCS final were really competitive, SKT vs Koo was a big stomp the last times they met
theprodigy
Member
My preference for finals:
SKT vs Fnatic
or
SKT vs Koo
I absolutely don't want OG vs Fnatic because like the LCS Split, I expect current Fnatic to just walk all over them making it a fairly boring finals.
SKT vs Koo would be a 3-0 stomp, the LCS final went 5 games
Kotetsu534
Member
I think it has to be Fnatic for the finals to be at all competitive. As much as I love KOO I just can't see them matching up to SKT. Faker will destroy Kuro.