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[Odoul]

Definitely fake.

Spoiler

And Mako looks bad

Like I said, 99 it's a hoax.

But...

Spoiler

The scorn if Mako and Korra happens, and Bolin & Asami gets hinted at!

It would dwarf the venom spit at Season 1 finale/Season 2.

TPTB might as well take a blow torch to any goodwill from fans.

It would be glorious.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Spoiler

I actually like the pairing. Season 1 and 2 just ruined it though.

 

[TheOGB]

I'll actually be following the season as it happens this time. Hope it turns out as good as Book 3 did.

 

[m_shortpants]

holy shit so many pages! get hype!

 

[Icyflamez96]

I'm coming off of the Destiny thread so this feels pretty dead in comparison lol.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Wait so I must have missed this in the episode, but why is it that the avatar is always reincarnated? Is it just because of Rava's presence or what?

 

[Mariolee]

I don't want to read any spoilers, even if fake. We're so close to the end.

 

[Sketchbag]

Wait so I must have missed this in the episode, but why is it that the avatar is always reincarnated? Is it just because of Rava's presence or what?

It's Avatar magic. As Sokka once said it doesn't count so don't worry about it.

 

[FreeMufasa]

I really liked book 2, more than book 3. The first avatar episodes were amazing, gave me some early naruto feeling. But I feel like book 2 should have been the final book. How can you go from fighting the ultimate evil and revealing the worlds origin to fighting some lame ass humans.

What did ppl hate about it?

 

[Mononoke]

Wait so I must have missed this in the episode, but why is it that the avatar is always reincarnated? Is it just because of Rava's presence or what?

No explanation beyond magic I guess. Basically, Raava holds on to the spirit and then goes to another spirit. And all the past lives are basically connected to Raava. I guess, or something. I dunno.

I would say short answer: yeah, raava is essentially what allows the Avatar to exist, and allows for it to be an on going cycle. HOW it actually works (on a technical level), is kind of fiction magic etc.

 

[Mononoke]

I really liked book 2, more than book 3. The first avatar episodes were amazing, gave me some early naruto feeling. But I feel like book 2 should have been the final book. How can you go from fighting the ultimate evil and revealing the worlds origin to fighting some lame ass humans.

What did ppl hate about it?

Book 2 was just an awful mess. The first half was atrocious. Each episode had too much stuff crammed in. So there was no sense of pacing or time to actually feel what was going on. A lot of the characters regressed from Book 1 (completely ignoring their growth throughout that season). Plot/themes felt mostly incoherent.

Korra was a total asshat. While you can explain her behavior (and why she was acting the way she was), she was completely unpleasant. But really for me, I just think Book 2's writing was easily the worst in the entire series (like the actual pacing/structure of each episode). The only thing I'll give Book 2, is that the Harmonic Convergent plot was incredible (in concept). But even that, I felt was handled pretty poorly in the finale. Book 2 got its footing in the back half with Avatar Wan's episodes. But I really really hated the finale. Again, awesome concept, poorly executed.

When you think about it, the first half of Book 2 was a whole lot of nothing. You had a civil war plot that you didn't really care about. You had all the characters split off from each other, all doing their own thing. You had Korra running around being a terrible person. Every episode felt like a bunch of bullet point ideas (rather than organic plot) without ever connecting or coming together. And I really just felt that, unlike Book 1 and 3, they really were trying to balance way too many ideas.

Based on what I've read from interviews, it seems like production for Book 2 was hell.

 

[MikeDown]

can't wait to see where season 4 goes, will probably expand on the Red Lotus, which should be pretty neat. Another concept that would be neat, though doubt will happen is having Korra wrastle with light and darkness as Vaatu slowly grows back from Raava.

 

[Jigorath]

so guys

how was last 2 season?

Season one is kinda neat but the last 3 episode is stupid

Season 2 was terrible. Season 3 was a big improvement.

My rankings:

1. Avatar S2
2. Avatar S1
3. Korra S3
4. Avatar S3
5. Korra S1
6. Korra S2

 

[Mononoke]

Season 2 was terrible. Season 3 was a big improvement.

My rankings:

1. Avatar S2
2. Avatar S1
3. Korra S3
4. Avatar S3
5. Korra S1
6. Korra S2

I would probably go:

1. ATLA Book 2
2. ATLA Book 3
3. Korra Book 3
4. Korra Book 1
5. ATLA Book 1
6. Korra Book 2

That might be blasphemy to place Korra Book 1 over ATLA Book 1 (seeing as, ATLA Book 1 had some really great episodes). I guess at least for me, as much as I hated the Book 1 finale for Korra, I still found the overall season arc to be more compelling. I guess from a story perspective, I actually liked the shorter/season format. Korra Book 1 definitely has problems beyond the ending, but I personally enjoyed the majority of it (Amon and the equalist movement).

ATLA kind of starts off rough, and has some pretty mediocre episodes. But that's also because it's an adventure format (so there were a lot of one off side adventure stories).

EDIT: I know not a lot of people will agree with me on that one though. Seems like a lot of people either hated Book 1 of Korra, and felt pretty lukewarm to it. But I always really enjoyed it when it aired. And when I go back and watch it again, I still really like what the show started out as. Obviously Korra Book 1 can't touch ATLA in terms of the characters, not even close. But I still liked the season arc a bit more.

Also, I know a lot of fans that don't love Book 3 of ATLA as much as I do. I can agree it has a couple dud episodes (and the budget being funneled towards the finale meant less diversity in the locations they visited), but I really loved Book 3 overall.

 

[Icyflamez96]

For me it's

Korra 3 = ATLA 3 (I thought the Korra finale was the best thing to come out of the franchise)

ATLA 2

Korra 1

ATLA 1

Korra 2

Korra 1 was pretty easily better than ATLA 1 for me.

 

[Hamlet]

can't wait to see where season 4 goes, will probably expand on the Red Lotus, which should be pretty neat. Another concept that would be neat, though doubt will happen is having Korra wrastle with light and darkness as Vaatu slowly grows back from Raava.

I'm guessing they'll also be showing off a lot more of the airbenders and their goal to try and bring order/balance back to the Earth Kingdom while Korra is still recovering.
I don't think Vaatu is going to be an issue for any Avatar for a long long time after what happened to him in the Book 2 finale. But Korra better make sure someone writes down what happened to her so the next and future Avatars aren't completely clueless about the whole Vaatu and Raava thing.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

ATLA S2
ATLA S3
Korra S3
ATLA S1
Korra S1
Korra S2

ATLA S1 had too many goof off childish episodes for my own taste. It didn't get into the groove until the later second half.

 

[m_shortpants]

I would probably go:

1. ATLA Book 2
2. ATLA Book 3
3. Korra Book 3
4. Korra Book 1
5. ATLA Book 1
6. Korra Book 2

That might be blasphemy to place Korra Book 1 over ATLA Book 1 (seeing as, ATLA Book 1 had some really great episodes). I guess at least for me, as much as I hated the Book 1 finale for Korra, I still found the overall season arc to be more compelling. I guess from a story perspective, I actually liked the shorter/season format. Korra Book 1 definitely has problems beyond the ending, but I personally enjoyed the majority of it (Amon and the equalist movement).

ATLA kind of starts off rough, and has some pretty mediocre episodes. But that's also because it's an adventure format (so there were a lot of one off side adventure stories).

EDIT: I know not a lot of people will agree with me on that one though. Seems like a lot of people either hated Book 1 of Korra, and felt pretty lukewarm to it. But I always really enjoyed it when it aired. And when I go back and watch it again, I still really like what the show started out as. Obviously Korra Book 1 can't touch ATLA in terms of the characters, not even close. But I still liked the season arc a bit more.

Also, I know a lot of fans that don't love Book 3 of ATLA as much as I do. I can agree it has a couple dud episodes (and the budget being funneled towards the finale meant less diversity in the locations they visited), but I really loved Book 3 overall.

I think that's my order as well. Spot on, actually.

 

[Mariolee]

ATLA S2
ATLA S3
Korra S3
ATLA S1
Korra S1
Korra S2

ATLA S1 had too many goof off childish episodes for my own taste. It didn't get into the groove until the later second half.

I loved the goof off childish episodes as they really built up the characters. I would agree with this list except to switch Korra S3 with ATLA S1

 

[shira]

Rankings?

Absolute classics
ATLA 2
ATLA3


ATLA1




Korra1




Korra2
Bored nothing better on tv

 

[Mononoke]

I think that's my order as well. Spot on, actually.

It really bums me out that I hate Book 2. Because in terms of mythology/plot, Book 2 has some of the most substantial plot out of both series. The Avatar Origin + Harmonic Convergence itself is bigger than Ozai vs. Aang even (in concept). But fuck I just hated the finale so much. Hated Unalaq. Wasn't a fan of the drawn out battle (that went on for too long, and wasn't that interesting in choreography, and kept ramping up in ridiculousness to the point of being silly). And that BS with Jinora. It's not even just Jinora being a terrible plot device, it just speaks volumes to the overall problem of the concept (that they don't even know how to wrap it up).

And I just thought the first half of that season was a mess on a technical level. So it's a really tough Season for me. I never expected to dislike Book 2. I actually liked Book 1 when it came out (despite a lot of people not liking it). So I was really optimistic going into Book 2. I never would have guessed I would come to hate it so much.

 

[Hamlet]

I would probably go:

1. ATLA Book 2
2. ATLA Book 3
3. Korra Book 3
4. Korra Book 1
5. ATLA Book 1
6. Korra Book 2

That might be blasphemy to place Korra Book 1 over ATLA Book 1 (seeing as, ATLA Book 1 had some really great episodes). I guess at least for me, as much as I hated the Book 1 finale for Korra, I still found the overall season arc to be more compelling. I guess from a story perspective, I actually liked the shorter/season format. Korra Book 1 definitely has problems beyond the ending, but I personally enjoyed the majority of it (Amon and the equalist movement).

ATLA kind of starts off rough, and has some pretty mediocre episodes. But that's also because it's an adventure format (so there were a lot of one off side adventure stories).

EDIT: I know not a lot of people will agree with me on that one though. Seems like a lot of people either hated Book 1 of Korra, and felt pretty lukewarm to it. But I always really enjoyed it when it aired. And when I go back and watch it again, I still really like what the show started out as. Obviously Korra Book 1 can't touch ATLA in terms of the characters, not even close. But I still liked the season arc a bit more.

Also, I know a lot of fans that don't love Book 3 of ATLA as much as I do. I can agree it has a couple dud episodes (and the budget being funneled towards the finale meant less diversity in the locations they visited), but I really loved Book 3 overall.

Pretty much my list also and I agree with everything about Book 1 for Korra.

 

[Htown]

You know, Azula, that's not a bad ranking.

 

[Icyflamez96]

If I were rating as objectively as possible, then I'd go with Azula's too.

I'm just going off of how much I remember enjoying watching the seasons individually without really going too in depth about it.

 

[Mononoke]

If I were rating as objectively as possible, then I'd go with Azula's too.

I'm just going off of how much I remember enjoying watching the seasons individually without really going too in depth about it.

That's cool. I think enjoying something is better than looking at something objectively. That's why, while I personally hated Book 2, I can understand why some might like it more than me (if they enjoyed it). All the more power to anyone that was able to enjoy it.

On my re-watch of Book 2, I definitely found it more enjoyable then when we watched it live. I still hated the first half, but I really appreciated singular episodes more on a second watch, and particularly liked the second half leading into the finale. And there is no denying the Avatar Wan episodes are some of the best things they've ever done. Sooo good.

I think, a large part of my hate for Book 2, is that I didn't really find it enjoyable (like the actual episodes themselves, I found to be grating in how poorly structured they were, and how much crap was being crammed in to each episode). Whereas, I can take a step back and criticize Book 3 for it's larger issues, but still say I personally enjoyed each episode individually. That, I liked the way each episode told that episodes specific plot, and just found all around more enjoyable.

So I think that really matters a lot (the entertainment/joy aspect).

 

[maharg]

ATLA2
ATLA3
ATLA1
Beginnings
...
...
LOK3
...
...
...
LOK2=LOK1

If I had to pick between LOK1 and LOK2 I'd probably pick 2, but honestly that's just because of Beginnings (but I'd rather keep it separate as I altered it above). I just enjoyed it more as I was watching it, and Korra1 suffers from me just finishing watching ATLA right before Korra started, and the fact that it never delivered on its premise (not even in the early part of the season, imo).

And I have not and probably never will watch any of Korra so far again, it just isn't interesting to me to do so. Except Beginnings, which was the only time Korra really got to the same level as ATLA. But I expect I'll watch ATLA many more times in my life.

 

[Infinite Justice]

I would probably go:

1. ATLA Book 2
2. ATLA Book 3
3. Korra Book 3
4. Korra Book 1
5. ATLA Book 1
6. Korra Book 2

That might be blasphemy to place Korra Book 1 over ATLA Book 1 (seeing as, ATLA Book 1 had some really great episodes). I guess at least for me, as much as I hated the Book 1 finale for Korra, I still found the overall season arc to be more compelling. I guess from a story perspective, I actually liked the shorter/season format. Korra Book 1 definitely has problems beyond the ending, but I personally enjoyed the majority of it (Amon and the equalist movement).

ATLA kind of starts off rough, and has some pretty mediocre episodes. But that's also because it's an adventure format (so there were a lot of one off side adventure stories).

EDIT: I know not a lot of people will agree with me on that one though. Seems like a lot of people either hated Book 1 of Korra, and felt pretty lukewarm to it. But I always really enjoyed it when it aired. And when I go back and watch it again, I still really like what the show started out as. Obviously Korra Book 1 can't touch ATLA in terms of the characters, not even close. But I still liked the season arc a bit more.

Also, I know a lot of fans that don't love Book 3 of ATLA as much as I do. I can agree it has a couple dud episodes (and the budget being funneled towards the finale meant less diversity in the locations they visited), but I really loved Book 3 overall.

+1 to this honestly,

though i would place Korra 1 under ATLA 1 mainly due to that fucking blunder at the end.

 

[Wanderer5]

Also, I know a lot of fans that don't love Book 3 of ATLA as much as I do. I can agree it has a couple dud episodes (and the budget being funneled towards the finale meant less diversity in the locations they visited), but I really loved Book 3 overall.

Book 3 was pretty great. First half of the book when the gaang is in hiding might have been kind of eh in some places, but there was a lot of great stuff from it too, and the second half was pretty stellar outstanding beside a couple flaws here and there. Book 3 probably has the best finale despite the stupid cop out with the energybending.

My ranking of the books are pretty much as yours. Book 2 and 3 of TLA, Korra Book3 are pretty close to each, follow by the Book 1s, then Korra Book 2.... God least the Wan's story was awesome.

 

[m_shortpants]

It really bums me out that I hate Book 2. Because in terms of mythology/plot, Book 2 has some of the most substantial plot out of both series. The Avatar Origin + Harmonic Convergence itself is bigger than Ozai vs. Aang even (in concept). But fuck I just hated the finale so much. Hated Unalaq. Wasn't a fan of the drawn out battle (that went on for too long, and wasn't that interesting in choreography, and kept ramping up in ridiculousness to the point of being silly). And that BS with Jinora. It's not even just Jinora being a terrible plot device, it just speaks volumes to the overall problem of the concept (that they don't even know how to wrap it up).

And I just thought the first half of that season was a mess on a technical level. So it's a really tough Season for me. I never expected to dislike Book 2. I actually liked Book 1 when it came out (despite a lot of people not liking it). So I was really optimistic going into Book 2. I never would have guessed I would come to hate it so much.

Yup. If I could I think I would separate Beginnings from Book 2 and have it be in top half.

 

[Cwarrior]

Anyone who puts korra S1 above anything but maybe korra S2 is high or doesn't really remmeber Korra S1.

Shittty no fun allowed pro-bending,all that bad rommance and the ending with that deus ex machina air bending out the ass attack.

 

[Icyflamez96]

what is an opinion

idk

 

[m_shortpants]

Anyone who puts korra S1 above anything but maybe korra S2 is high or doesn't really remmeber Korra S1.

Shittty no fun allowed pro-bending,all that bad rommance and the ending with that deus ex machina air bending out the ass attack.

Deus ex machina's shouldn't be criticized. Remember the rock from Aang vs Ozai?

 

[maharg]

Yup. If I could I think I would separate Beginnings from Book 2 and have it be in top half.

Why can't you? I'm serious, there's really nothing about it except the very brief frame story scenes that has anything to do with Korra at all. When I show people ATLA now, I definitely show them Beginnings, but don't really recommend watching any of the rest of Korra unless they have some burning desire to see it.

 

[rexor0717]

I would probably go:

1. ATLA Book 2
2. ATLA Book 3
3. Korra Book 3
4. Korra Book 1
5. ATLA Book 1
6. Korra Book 2

Yep yep, this is my ranking as well, if not putting book 1 AtLA over Korra book 1.

 

[Mariolee]

Beginnings was really really good, but not as amazing as I feel people set it out to be.

 

[Jacob]

Y'all should consider yourselves lucky that it's too late for me to write another entire essay while in full Token ATLA Book 1 Defender mode! *shakes fist*

But seriously, if you wanna compare the two despite them having very different structures (ATLA a mostly episodic show at this point, Korra heavily serialized in her first season, to point that it's almost reminiscent of movie structuring), ATLA Book 1 has the clearly better overall story. Yes, it has lower lows, but those lows are not part of the overall story that you have to compare. The characters are unqestionably better, the setting is more fully explored (even in some of the mediocre episodes), and the ending is light-years ahead. Endings are probably the most common part of a story that gets messed up (because they're fucking hard), but The Siege of the North is a goddamn amazing finale that is easily on par with ATLA Book 2 and more than makes up for the early missteps. Korra got worse throughout her first season, and the finale ruined many of the show's most intriguing elements that had previously made it engaging, including the identity of Amon and the societal issues of Republic City.

ATLA Book 1 is great and its unfair malignment by the fandom (which predates Korra, it should be noted) will never cease to baffle me. xP

 

[maharg]

Beginnings was really really good, but not as amazing as I feel people set it out to be.

Well, as you can see I rank it still below all of ATLA, but I definitely think it's worth considering in isolation. There's just no reason not to.

 

[Joeytj]

I would probably go:

1. ATLA Book 2
2. ATLA Book 3
3. Korra Book 3
4. Korra Book 1
5. ATLA Book 1
6. Korra Book 2

That might be blasphemy to place Korra Book 1 over ATLA Book 1 (seeing as, ATLA Book 1 had some really great episodes). I guess at least for me, as much as I hated the Book 1 finale for Korra, I still found the overall season arc to be more compelling. I guess from a story perspective, I actually liked the shorter/season format. Korra Book 1 definitely has problems beyond the ending, but I personally enjoyed the majority of it (Amon and the equalist movement).

ATLA kind of starts off rough, and has some pretty mediocre episodes. But that's also because it's an adventure format (so there were a lot of one off side adventure stories).

EDIT: I know not a lot of people will agree with me on that one though. Seems like a lot of people either hated Book 1 of Korra, and felt pretty lukewarm to it. But I always really enjoyed it when it aired. And when I go back and watch it again, I still really like what the show started out as. Obviously Korra Book 1 can't touch ATLA in terms of the characters, not even close. But I still liked the season arc a bit more.

Also, I know a lot of fans that don't love Book 3 of ATLA as much as I do. I can agree it has a couple dud episodes (and the budget being funneled towards the finale meant less diversity in the locations they visited), but I really loved Book 3 overall.

Yep, same as me. Most of Book 1 Korra was just so compelling, even more than ATLA in some places. The pure idea of Amon reasonably advocating the end of bending, the essence of the Avatar franchise in many ways, and Korra incapable of stoping him, plus the suspense of episodes like And the Winner Is, The Aftermath, Out of the Past, as Tarrlok goes up the stairs and finds Amon, and then Amon just brushes away the bloodbending!! Holy shit, that was intense. "Is he a robot!? A spirit!? Dead!?" Great times.

Those were intense emotions that still makes me put LOK Book 1 above a lot of other periods in the Avatar franchise. And Amon's backstory wasn't even that much of a problem, as we all agree that the main problem was the instant resolution of Korra's spiritual arch, and the horrible regression she took in Book 2.

 

[Trey]

Earth > Change > Fire > Water > Air > Spirits

Each season has at least one really good episode.

I wish I could accurately convey the emotions I'm feeling after episode 8.

IT WAS SO WORTH GOING THROUGH ALL THAT BEGINNING SHIT.

Your post basically encapsulates the season 2 thread when Beginnings hit.

 

[FreeMufasa]

Book 2 was just an awful mess. The first half was atrocious. Each episode had too much stuff crammed in. So there was no sense of pacing or time to actually feel what was going on. A lot of the characters regressed from Book 1 (completely ignoring their growth throughout that season). Plot/themes felt mostly incoherent.

Korra was a total asshat. While you can explain her behavior (and why she was acting the way she was), she was completely unpleasant. But really for me, I just think Book 2's writing was easily the worst in the entire series (like the actual pacing/structure of each episode). The only thing I'll give Book 2, is that the Harmonic Convergent plot was incredible (in concept). But even that, I felt was handled pretty poorly in the finale. Book 2 got its footing in the back half with Avatar Wan's episodes. But I really really hated the finale. Again, awesome concept, poorly executed.

When you think about it, the first half of Book 2 was a whole lot of nothing. You had a civil war plot that you didn't really care about. You had all the characters split off from each other, all doing their own thing. You had Korra running around being a terrible person. Every episode felt like a bunch of bullet point ideas (rather than organic plot) without ever connecting or coming together. And I really just felt that, unlike Book 1 and 3, they really were trying to balance way too many ideas.

Based on what I've read from interviews, it seems like production for Book 2 was hell.

Is this how most of you guys feel about it too?

 

[UnnecessaryTodd]

Is this how most of you guys feel about it too?

Pretty much. Book 2 was just sloppy. The first 6 episodes are just not even worth watching in my opinion. I think that the story of book 2 could've been told really well and that on paper there's nothing wrong with it, but the pacing and structure of the entire thing was just horrendous.

I actually had a theory on how Book 2 could've been shown, using mostly the same footage but making it much more palatable:

Start with Beginnings. Kick everything off with a big bundle of awesomeness and get the whole Spirit World separation storyline all set up. Then go In Medias Res and have Korra awake from the trance (being the semi-calm person who was actually able to handle situations without resorting to brute force and then giving up) so that there isn't the shock of her suddenly regressing and unlearning all the things Book 1 set out to do.

If I recall correctly Korra had some weird amnesia thing (it may have subsided after Beginnings but lets roll with her being semi-amnesiac) So over the next 3 episodes set up Korra's travels into the spirit world and at the same time incorporate the main events of the first 6 episodes as flashbacks as she connects to her spiritual self and starts to realize the lost memories.

Then as she finishes learning of the events, bring in the Harmonic Convergence plot and Unalaq's betrayal and have the end of the season shown per normal.

The only problem is that this would be very Korra-centric and have very little appearances from the rest of Team Avatar and Tenzin but there are ways that they could be shown as the B-plot, and they'd also appear in Korra's flashbacks. But I still think that if they'd re-ordered how they presented the events the season could've been really very good.

Plus... y'know. It would've been more about "Spirits" and less about crappy Civil War and politics.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Dark Avatar is some fan fiction level bullshit.

 

[Atraveller]

Dark Avatar is some fan fiction level bullshit.

Spoiler

So is giant spirit Korra.

It's like using one bull to counter another.

 

[oti]

Wait what? October 3rd? Already? Wow!

 

[Dreadnought]

Maybe Spoiler.

Probably bullshit.

Still warning.

http://archive.moe/co/thread/65723534/#65723864tp://

I would pay money for this to be end game.

They even link the person that made it in the first few posts.

 

[Hamlet]

They even link the person that made it in the first few posts.

Yeah there's always bound to be a bunch of fake spoilers considering its the final season now.
Not quite as good as these fake spoilers for the past Books though.

Dark Mako would have certainly been an interesting direction.

 

[Rymuth]

Very good rankings by Azula. I agree about Korra Book 1. It might have been the claustrophobic setting that made people hate it but I enjoyed the steampunk/political intrigue of it all. Plus, it had Amon and ended on a positive note, something that will always put it above Book 3 in my opinion.

 

[KHlover]

Personal ranking:

ATLA3
Korra3
ATLA2
Korra1
ATLA1
Korra2

 

[NoTacos]

Book 3 ending was very uneasy for me. They basically crippled the poor lass with mercury poisoning. Who the hell wants to show their children a girl being poisoned with mercury?

Or is Nickelodeon not a channel for kids anymore like CN?

 

[Luna Sy]

I think stuff like those are part of the reason why it got pulled from TV.