I was kinda disappointed when Link didnt went to his mech and started flying into the sky...
Legend of Zelda Wii U Gameplay Demo
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But where would you acquire those 2 extra hearts if you start on say Hard? Would they just plop extra 1/4 hearts around the world?
You don't get heart containers from 2 bosses.
victreeb3l
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It really is. I got Link's Awakening DX when I got my GBC and totally fell in love with it. I loved OoT but LA has a special place in my heart.
Did she? I had no idea! Ah dude I never made that seagull connection. That is all sorts of awesome.
I think he meant that, based on the overall difficulty of the game, they will decide how many hearts you will have at the beginning.
But well, even in SS, 6 hearts were not necessary
but helped a lot against Ghirahim
You don't get heart containers from 2 bosses.
That's half the fun, but could work. I'd rather they just provide Hero Mode from the start like WWHD with double damage.
Mango The Magician
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So have you and all the other people analyzing the map, taken into account the lake that's at the bottom of Death Mountain in the E3 pic? If we could find where that is, than it might help determine where the castle is, which could help establish other points on the map. just a suggestion, I just remembered that that was something that caught my interest during E3 and it could help.
I don't mean difficulty selection. Not Normal = 5 hearts, hard = 3.
I mean how the game is balanced. If it's a difficult zelda game (combat-wise), then you start with 5. If it's a standard zelda game, then you start with 3, per usual.
Embrace the hype, it'll deliver. There's no way it can't when it looks this good.
Gotcha, I would agree with that. I would still like Hero Mode from the start though.
I've not been disappointed in a Zelda game once ever since I became a fan (Well maybe PH but that's about it) and i've been a fan since 2003.
It's strange because this new footage didn't strike me at all in the beginning, but now I can't stop thinking about it. I NEED THIS GAME!!
LegendofLex
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I wouldn't read too much into the number of starting hearts until we know how much damage the average enemy does.
SS had six starting hearts, but since enemies in the Faron Woods area could deal 1-2 hearts of damage (vs. the 1/2 hearts of damage max in TP), they were basically the equivalent of three hearts. And that meant that by the end of the game, 20 SS hearts were basically the equivalent of 10 TP hearts (further supported by how many hearts the final bosses shave off per hit).
SS had six starting hearts, but since enemies in the Faron Woods area could deal 1-2 hearts of damage (vs. the 1/2 hearts of damage max in TP), they were basically the equivalent of three hearts. And that meant that by the end of the game, 20 SS hearts were basically the equivalent of 10 TP hearts (further supported by how many hearts the final bosses shave off per hit).
NerdEyeBlind
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YESSSSSSS, this.
Who wouldn't? Wind waker HD did it... but that's because they knew a good portion of the player base had already played it.
Another option is to see how well you perform in the tutorial area and automatically set the difficulty based on performance. (with a menu-toggle if you disagree).
The Hermit
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IceDoesntHelp
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Should have used Derek then.
I think I found where the E3 footage takes place:
It's the right distance from Death Mountain, it has geography blocking views of Lake Hylia to the west and the eastern split mountain. It can see Death Mountain, Hyrule Castle, and the western split mountain and looks right across Hyrule Field. There is a bridge across the river where Hyrule Castle is, reminiscent of the drawbridge in OoT.
South of this area we know there is a forested area full of ruins and rocks with glyphs on them since Aonuma rode near this area in the new footage, and on the map there is a river in this area where the bridge scene could take place.
The lake in front of Death Mountain could be the river in front of it or Zora's Domain's entrance.
Given all the various versions of this footage we've seen, I still don't think we have it best quite yet. For me the ideal video would be a combination of
a corrected perspective video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF9xDrQ9gKQ
with the Japanese audio from here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMXD5DxbXog
so that we can hear the sound effects and music a little bit better
along with subtitles for Aonuma and Miyamoto
and then if possible, add Nanashrew's color correction that they've demonstrated throughout this thread.
a corrected perspective video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF9xDrQ9gKQ
with the Japanese audio from here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMXD5DxbXog
so that we can hear the sound effects and music a little bit better
along with subtitles for Aonuma and Miyamoto
and then if possible, add Nanashrew's color correction that they've demonstrated throughout this thread.
I think I found where the E3 footage takes place:
It's the right distance from Death Mountain, it has geography blocking views of Lake Hylia to the west and the eastern split mountain. It can see Death Mountain, Hyrule Castle, and the western split mountain and looks right across Hyrule Field. There is a bridge across the river where Hyrule Castle is, reminiscent of the drawbridge in OoT.
The lake in front of Death Mountain could be the river in front of it or Zora's Domain's entrance.
I think that Link is standing near the beginning of that big chunk of land that is in the middle
Edit: Actually, I forgot about the mountain to the side. I think you might be right.
That's an interesting idea, but a bit too complicated for Nintendo in my mind. In that same vein though I was thinking earlier how amazing, if quite impractical, it would be if they kept the same free form nature of LoZ and ALBW in dungeon progression if they came up with a system where depending on how many dungeons you've beaten so far new, more difficult elements would be introduced into the dungeons you hadn't yet tackled.
Say you beat a dungeon that gave you the Hook Shot first, then a couple of the other dungeons would alter in a way that would require using that tool. Like enemies collapse the entrance so you now have to Hook Shot into an alternate entrance. Or some room or area of it gets destroyed and you need to Hook Shot around it.
As well as other stuff like making certain puzzles harder or more complicated to reflect your progression and familiarity. I loved ALBW but I did feel the overall difficulty was a bit too low.
He is... He's at the southeast corner of Hyrule Field just east of Lake Hylia. The camera is facing northwest.
SweetDonuts
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Damn, you guys still going in on the map, amazing stuff.
Mr. Wedgewood
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Zero²;142564933 said:
Funny I had this image im my head the other day.
Edit: sorry not good with this image stuff.
That's just how I ranks feels. Overall OoT, MM, TP, LA and ALttP are my favorite in that order.
I think he's more in the Western Kokiri Forest area. As you can see where your green dot is located it is one of the lowest elevations on the map, but in the picture Link is clearly on a relatively high elevation that slopes downwards. Plus on his left hand side is a ridge of higher elevation where it should be Lake Hylia. I think it's more likely he's a bit further E or NE at one of these red dots where the elevation is a good deal higher but not too high and do seem to trend downward. This would also line up with the teaser since right under that right most Red dot is a small pond which could be the very small body of water Link rides on the bridge of in the teaser which looked to be quite small.
I honestly think André is much better than Derek anyway, Derek sounds so boring. André is like super enthusiastic in a really genuine way, speech impediment (?) or not. Love his absolute dedication
Astral Dog
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This is a bit old but i could not respond at the time.
What? i can agree Zelda maybe has gone too far to the puzzle side, specially in Skyward Sword and should focus on combat and exploration a bit more, but, puzzles have been an element of Zelda since A link to the Past, they are part of what makes "Zelda",Zelda.
Simply removing them wont make it a "mass market dungeon crawler"it was never an RPG either, sometimes i dont get why some people always put the original on a pedestal, without acknowledging all of the other games improvments, sometimes mentioning unofficial art from a magazine.
Besides having less stupid, useless tutorials and more exploration, of course.
Interceptor
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Thats my idea. (Without the fast travel part. Just beacons.
I'm going to agree with this now, I had a few more watches and there's definitely no sign of the 'super tall tree' anywhere in the South-East area. Also for the last scene, I kept thinking it was sunset but it makes way more sense that it's sunrise. You can also recognise the mountains as the camera swings around to the East.
Actually it'd have to be further away since Death Mountain looks about as small as it is when viewed from south of Lake Hylia. Also, the geography in that region is full of mountains and valleys and all Link sees in the E3 shot is rolling plains straight ahead. Assuming he was high enough to see over those mountains, which the topography of the map doesn't suggest, he would still see those mountains and valleys.
I'm thinking the E3 shot is ALSO the big central plains. The mountain that's split in half isn't the same one we were looking at before, and if you look at the map there's another one that fits the bill on the west side of the plains.
Link is somewhere near that green dot, imo. It puts him far enough away from Death Mountain and gives him a clear view of it and the western split mountain. Plus it has mountains to the east that would block his view of the eastern split mountain which is why we don't see it and from the footage we can see that Lake Hylia is bordered on the eastern side by high hills that block view of that from this location on the map. It's north of a wooded area that we know from this demo to have ruins and rocks with symbols on them like in the E3 footage. It also has a river where the bridge scene could take place in that same area.
The black circle is Hyrule castle, which is between the western split mountain and Death Mountain. There is a bridge over the river indicated on the map in that area and I believe that this bridge is the castle town drawbridge ala OoT. In fact, I agree with Enduin that everything lines up with OoT. That place I thought was a swamp is Zora's River leading up to Zora's Domain.
This I'm going to definitely disagree.
1. The angle at which we see Split Mountain shows that we have to be almost in line with the split opening (you can see right through it to the mountains behind).
2. The topography of the mountain you have marked shows a very high peak on one side of the river and much lower hilly range on the other side. This looks nothing like Split Mountain. Just compare.
3. We see a mountain ridge that crosses in the foreground in front of Split mountain. As there are only flat plains between Link and the mountain you marked in black, this is impossible.
4. Remember, Link is at a very high vantage point, almost as high as the mountains around him. So I re-assert that Link is almost at the South East tip of the continent.
Just look at the mountain I've marked in red - Spiral Mountain. It even has the spiral on the topographical map!
Mango The Magician
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I think you're spot on about where Link is, but I'm not so sure about the three circles. For instance the blue one with the giant chasm looks like it'd be a little further back, though I could be wrong. Likewise, the castle looks like it should be further back, or at least not so close to a body of water, but again it's hard to tell with the perspective. Finally, Death Mountain, I think is in the right place but I don't think the circle is, I mean we know DM is a volcano, so then from above it'd show lava, the circled part doesn't, but that might just be due to how the map is zoomed out. Furthermore, there is what appears to be a small blue spot at the bottom of DM on the map, so if that's that lake than it'd put Hyrule Castle a little further back and a little further to the right of the map.
Also, it's worth noting that if that lake to the left of Link is Lake Hylia, than it's not entirely within a chasm like TP, since in the E3 video, it looks like you can just walk up to it.
Oh and is the really dark area that runs above DM, a trench? Seems like something that'd be there as a end of the world barrier, but I hope that isn't the case, as I'd like to think the white area to the northwest is Snowpeak, as I love snow areas, and I really want this game to have one.
I agree with you, mainly because of split-mountain-viewing angle.
gamerMan
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The art and animation is fantastic. I can't wait to see this game on my TV screen. I always imagined that riding with Epona would look like this. As blurry as these screens are they looks better than the N64 game. Lol!
It's unlikely because from that area you couldn't see Hyrule Field or Death Mountain.
1. I chose that location partially because that location would allow you to see through the western split mountain. The river angles northwest to south east.
2. The "spiral mountain" isn't the eastern split mountain, it's in front of it. It's pretty close and not very big.
3. There is no mountain ridge between Link and Hyrule Field especially not the ones we see in the footage.
4. He'd still see everything we saw in this footage from there, just further away. We don't see any of that in the E3 footage.
5. It's too close to Death Mountain.
6. The forested area that we know is in the area I put the dot in is very similar to the one Link gets chased through and has a river where he probably shoots the robot.
If what I looked up isn't wrong, that's like double Skyrim (and also roughly double Red Dead Redemption). At least somewhere between those games and GTA V.
Honestly, I want games like this to be a little spaced out, just enough for you to get the sense of journeying from place to place. I actually don't like how compressed games like Skyrim are. As I said before, Red Dead might be the right level of density, as that game is also mostly balanced around horseback travel.
I don't think that is correct. The purple split mountain doesn't lineup with Hyrule and Death Mountain. Also, the map section that you are looking at has mountains at the north section that are visible in the demo, but are not there in the E3 picture. This is not the same section, unless there were some drastic changes made.
TheMoon
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This is exactly what drove me insane. This one mountain that threw everything off for me because it looks so distinct. I was trying to place it and compare it against all the TGA scenes but the "horses don't run into trees" area completely threw me off there.
Anyway, I made some additions to the latest one from you guys.
I'm not sure about that small bay-thing but it's the only body of water close to where the E3 trailer happened. But I still think it might be too large for that. It was set in a dense forest area but I'm not sure if that would fit in right next to the ocean there.
edit: comparing against the max zoom pic, the bay just looks too big, it's the size of the forest area that Link glides over with the sailcloth. ignore this lol
Inquisitive_Ghost
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Yep, me too. Sometimes in TP I would ride Epona to places long after I unlocked the ability to warp there. I don't think that over world was particularly well designed, but sometimes I just like to wander the Zelda universe.
Edit: They really need to let us take Epona into towns. It's always bothered me that this standard action in medieval Europe can't usually be done in Zelda, because it would make travel a lot more cohesive. Kakariko Village in TP was a step in the right direction, and an open-world structure will hopefully finally go all the way with it.
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I don't think that is correct. The purple split mountain doesn't lineup with Hyrule and Death Mountain. Also, the map section that you are looking at has mountains at the north section that are visible in the demo, but are not there in the E3 picture. This is not the same section, unless there were some drastic changes made.
Your picture even shows it. The mountains that are next to the red circle would block Link's view of Hyrule and Death Mountain. Yet, in the E3 picture, he mostly has a clear view of both Hyrule and Death Mountain. (it looks mostly "flat"). Even when you watch the gameplay demo, Link starts off on a very high cliff and you still can't see anything past the mountains of that zoomed in area.
I don't think that is correct. The purple split mountain doesn't lineup with Hyrule and Death Mountain. Also, the map section that you are looking at has mountains at the north section that are visible in the demo, but are not there in the E3 picture. This is not the same section, unless there were some drastic changes made.
Your picture even shows it. The mountains that are next to the red circle would block Link's view of Hyrule and Death Mountain. Yet, in the E3 picture, he mostly has a clear view of both Hyrule and Death Mountain. (it looks mostly "flat"). Even when you watch the gameplay demo, Link starts off on a very high cliff and you still can't see anything past the mountains of that zoomed in area.
Gamexplain pointed out that enemies have rpg like health bars. I predict the Zelda 2 leveling system will return. The easy access to the bow indicates this game will have a lot of long range combat based moments.You also see 90 arrows in the slot. Thats way more stock than normal. I'm very confident that the gameplay and world will be fine. My only hope at this point is that the game is epic as all hell. I want those multiple Ganon transformations which take a good amount of skill to tackle.
As for expectations, I'm certain we will get amazing towns with the castle filled with plazas. I want to see the Blue Ganon and blue Moblins. The first enemies shown look pretty boring compared to the Bokoblins in Skyward Sword.
As for expectations, I'm certain we will get amazing towns with the castle filled with plazas. I want to see the Blue Ganon and blue Moblins. The first enemies shown look pretty boring compared to the Bokoblins in Skyward Sword.
Inquisitive_Ghost
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Well, WW also had optional health bars and 99 arrow quivers.
Speaking of Zelda II, anyone else want a remake of it? There's a great game in it, but it hasn't aged super well.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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So, it might just be me, but I'd like to see more wilderness and way less towns. Although Zelda has traditionally not had many towns in the 3D version, it'd be awesome if there were only a few, but they were all as big as Clock Town or Skyloft. I think they'd almost have to make them that large to keep in line with the scale of the world this time around
I feel the castle would be more somewhere in that flat area:
That is what I assumed at first,but everyone keeps pointing at that area beyond the river...hmmm
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