dragonbane
Member
Man, Naughty Dog is doing some great shit with ancient hardware. Can't wait for their first PS4 game.
I also like the eye shader QD uses in Beyond:
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I also like the eye shader QD uses in Beyond:
Pound_lb003
Member
I just hope the Last of Us sequel they have scanned character models. I am tired of Naughty Dog's quasi-cartoon characters.
All of the characters are ever so slightly stylised.
All of the characters are ever so slightly stylised.
and still ND characters emote more realistically than any of that scanned shit currently residing deep within the uncanny valley. I would rather they sacrifice photorealism for the characters to "feel" more real. When they manage to pull photoreal scanned characters off that don't have that uncanny valley look then that'd be cool, but not before.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It's better like that IMO. Otherwise things tend to look wrong/like crap. Unless things are Dark Sorcerer. That's the only thing I can think of that looks legitimately good enough and uses more or less completely real looking people.
I am not seeing that really. At least with Last of Us.
SolidSnakex
Member
Which is intentional on their part as they've stated in the past. At least in the case of Uncharted they've said that they don't want photo-realism. It also gives the ability to design characters the way they want. Joel obviously looks nothing like Troy Baker for example.
I love that about their games. Same with MGS. They're able to make their games avoid a lot of uncanny elements while still having very realistic environments and emotion.
Chance Hale
Member
The one time it was very noticeable for me is the section involving the QTE and glass after ****'s town, Joel almost looks like a Walking Dead character.
I don't know, their hand animation has been working pretty well. The Last of Us's characters in cutscenes show more subtleties and emotion than any other game I've seen.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Almost all studios engines are in a constant state of flux.
The engines used to run launch titles will be refined, or changed altogether through out the generation. The hardware most likely to see the largest appreciable changes in those engines also happen to be the hardware that will soon enough be an order of magnitude more powerful.
I mean these "next-gen" upgrades don't just happen when they get next gen hardware. They happen over the course of a generation in almost every developer but Nintendo. This helps in the transition. It's why Crytek's engine has been using lighting solutions for years that are all but impossible on the PS3/360 and why the Battlefield series is so much further advanced on the PC.
Only inhouse studios are stuck at a set tech level, and even then all of the work Naughty Dog has put into the PS3 refining and advancing their inhouse tech will do wonders for their PS4 development pipeline. It's just generally easier for those that have no real set limitation.
dragonbane
Member
Weirdly enough it depends on the scene. Some environments look really good and some pretty bad. I guess it has less to do with the available hardware power and more that they have so many scenes that some don't get the necessary amount of polish. Maybe it has something to do with outsourcing too?
TLoU suffered from a similar problem. The intro looked amazing, the first level after that pretty mediocre and then the rest looked great to amazing again. Beyond is performing similar, although the bad looks really bad in some spots. I hope they spend the last months polishing it a bit more.
Here are some of the environments that look pretty good IMO:
On the other hand we have this:
That scene probably has some LoD problems going on, no way it looks that bad...
Pound_lb003
Member
Didn't mean it's as a sleight as many of you have taken it, and by no means do I think it was bad.
I just think that 3D scanning produces far better results. And for the dark tone the game had, I just felt some Takayoshi Sato-style character designs, where gritty photorealism is respected, the character aesthetics and tone wouldn't have felt so dissonant.
The world portrayed that realism, but the characters (and let me add, the dissonance only exists in the cutscenes for me) just aren't quite that.
I just think that 3D scanning produces far better results. And for the dark tone the game had, I just felt some Takayoshi Sato-style character designs, where gritty photorealism is respected, the character aesthetics and tone wouldn't have felt so dissonant.
The world portrayed that realism, but the characters (and let me add, the dissonance only exists in the cutscenes for me) just aren't quite that.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Eh?
The character faces in both Uncharted and The Last Of Us look great.
They look more realistic than most games which actually attempt 'photorealism'.
LukasTaves
Member
LP pushed insane poly numbers, but not because everything was super high poly, but because they rendered each scene many times. Later the generation deferred rendering/screen space effects picked traction and thus eliminated the need to render each polygons multiple times. But late games definitely push scenes with more polys than LP, even if they don't draw as many polys per frame.
DemonCleaner
Member
this + complete realtime lighting.
then again you'd have to redo all the illumination for the whole game
dito that
Magic Mushroom
Member
When do you guys expect a gameplay reveal? I'm really curious about this game, considering RaD's rather excellent track record.
Dictator93
Member
crysis 3 has the eyes going for it at least
jsut for comparison... here is the actor which the face is based on for Rasch: Wolf Khaler (famously from Indiana Jones)
https://twitter.com/CRYTEK_TIAGO/status/303913253606653952
Crysis 3 pushes even over 10m polys and thats without tessellation on Very High settings in some scenes.
But on average around 5-6m.
Next-gen games should push around 5m easily.
Sorry to bump this thread but I don't think it was posted already:
Video about how they scan their textures: https://vimeo.com/70992723
And a pdf about their shading techniques: http://blog.selfshadow.com/publications/s2013-shading-course
Video about how they scan their textures: https://vimeo.com/70992723
And a pdf about their shading techniques: http://blog.selfshadow.com/publications/s2013-shading-course
luca_29_bg
Member
thank! It's incredible this game!
Acquiescence
Member
Gameplay footage at Gamescom?
luca_29_bg
Member
we don't know sadly....
Acquiescence
Member
PS2 game confirmed
Looks like The Order is just another generic dudebro shooter.
WetPotatoBread
Banned
PS2 game confirmed
Why would you post a picture of beyond 2 souls?
His gun has merged with his coat. Guncoat confirmed.
luca_29_bg
Member
Because he is a junior member that likes to live on the edge.
luca_29_bg
Member
Oh thanks ahah ^^
redtails64
Member
Me too haha.
Magic Mushroom
Member
TLoU looks phemonenal in game. Fantastic anination and attention to detail.
Not that amazing judging from your screenshots.
No hairs! Technically downgrade. : DDD
Stop talking nonsense.
The side of Joel's gameplay model you hardly ever see. The camera doesn't like you getting too close to Joel's face for some reason.
Again, in game model, not even the main character.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Funny thing is, if you slow down the gif to just when the light hits her face, you'll see her eyes do dilate for a second then goes back to it's regular size despite being bathed in light (more noticeable on the right (our left) eye).
luca_29_bg
Member
Ready at dawn have already said that the models seen in the trailer are the same for cutscene and game play. ^_^