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I get this, but what makes Splatoon high profile and not Code Name STEAM or The Wonderful 101? They're all full fledged retail games. Also, why does it matter if Platinum did TW101? Nintendo is not a single developer, they consist of a ton of them, with different styles, strengths and weaknesses.
I would say that Steam and TW101 isn't high profile because of the genre that they're in. When people say they want high profile games, that means games from genres that are popular right now I would guess.
 

RM8

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I would say that Steam and TW101 isn't high profile because of the genre that they're in. When people say they want high profile games, that means games from genres that are popular right now I would guess.
Well, two things. Code Name STEAM is a SRPG, like Fire Emblem which at this point is a pretty successful series. And two, "games are only high profile if they belong to currently popular genres" is arbitrary and silly. Tomodachi Life is a recent Nintendo IP that was very successful, and I'm not sure it even has a defined genre (it has "but it doesn't count!" written all over it, though :p).
 
Man, I agree that Nintendo needs to generally advertise and market better, but yeah, cannot fault them for not creating new things. Through the years, we got Pikmin, WiiFit, Xenoblade, Tomodachi Life, W101, Codename STEAM, and now Splatoon!

And, I actually feel like even with their flagship "old, over and over" titles, they take way more risk with them than other studios do with their bread-n-butter franchises.

Look at how varied the mainline Mario and Zelda games are. Look at how Metroid has straddled various genres with its different entries...

/end.

I always feel like I have to constantly keep myself in check when I talk about this and keep the nintendo-nerd in me from stepping outta line.


They actually advertised Splatoon.

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from my friend's facebook.

That's so freaking awesome. It's summer and hot here. I want that to be a giant pool made of super cold juice.

Fuck now I want a Splatoon water-park.
 

Ty4on

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Again, that's not entirely true (for example Mario has changed dramatically over the year outside of being a platformer, outside of Galaxy 1 and 2, no other 3D mario plays exactly the same). And even so, it's people asking for change just for the sake of changes. You don't try to fix something that works.

Some of their series need shaking up (Zelda but they're working on that it seems) but overall I again feel that that kind of criticism is the equivalent of reacting to a new Gran Turismo game by saying "ugh, another realistic racing game?".
Sure Mario games shouldn't suddenly turn into FPS', but Nintendo is a big company and Polyphony Digital pretty much only makes Gran Turismo games.
It's not black and white, the advantage is Nintendo can make a very polished game a lot of people are asking for. The disadvantage is we've never seen anything close to as revolutionary as Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time. That's a huge task, but I just find it a bit depressing seeing them not try things like that anymore.

Polyphony have gotten a lot of flak for not changing though and GT6 was a bit of a bomb.
I get this, but what makes Splatoon high profile and not Code Name STEAM or The Wonderful 101? They're all full fledged retail games. Also, why does it matter if Platinum did TW101? Nintendo is not a single developer, they consist of a ton of them, with different styles, strengths and weaknesses.
I don't feel Platinum quite counts because they literally have a game for the XB1 in the works. They were mostly independent and mostly just got financial and marketing support from Nintendo. Nintendo helped, no doubt, but I don't feel comfortable crediting them the same way you'd credit them for making Splatoon.

Codename STEAM might have been stillborn as you said, but outside of gaming circles I don't think many regular people know of it.
Well, two things. Code Name STEAM is a SRPG, like Fire Emblem which at this point is a pretty successful series. And two, "games are only high profile if they belong to currently popular genres" is arbitrary and silly. Tomodachi Life is a recent Nintendo IP that was very successful, and I'm not sure it even has a defined genre (it has "but it doesn't count!" written all over it, though :p).
Life simulators (for lack of a better term) are popular. Tons of F2P games have had a lot of success with a similar formula.
 

Alrus

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Sure Mario games shouldn't suddenly turn into FPS', but Nintendo is a big company and Polyphony Digital pretty much only makes Gran Turismo games.
It's not black and white, the advantage is Nintendo can make a very polished game a lot of people are asking for. The disadvantage is we've never seen anything close to as revolutionary as Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time. That's a huge task, but I just find it a bit depressing seeing them not try things like that anymore.

I think that has nothing to do with ambition. The thing that made OoT and 64 so impressive is that they brought a new perspective to their respective genre and made it work. But you're not going to see a paradigm shift in the entire industry as huge as the switch from 2D to 3D, so it's pretty much impossible to bring anything that will ever feel like such a big change and it's kind of disingenuous to ask them to do it.

Polyphony have gotten a lot of flak for not changing though and GT6 was a bit of a bomb.

I honestly don't think anyone should criticize Polyphony for not changing (they should be criticized for using really old models for the sake of content padding though :p), they're good at what they do. GT 6 bombed because it released as a PS3 exclusive after the PS4 came out and dazzled people with promises of amazing graphics, suddenly the very good looking GT doesn't look that great. They should either have made it cross-gen or delay it to make it PS4 exclusive.
 

RM8

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I don't feel Platinum quite counts because they literally have a game for the XB1 in the works. They were mostly independent and mostly just got financial and marketing support from Nintendo. Nintendo helped, no doubt, but I don't feel comfortable crediting them the same way you'd credit them for making Splatoon.

Codename STEAM might have been stillborn as you said, but outside of gaming circles I don't think many regular people know of it.

Life simulators (for lack of a better term) are popular. Tons of F2P games have had a lot of success with a similar formula.
I guess TW101 is as much of a Nintendo IP as Bloodborne is a Sony IP, then. That's to say, I don't see how they don't count :p Also, are we agreeing that Code Name STEAM does count but was sadly not very successful?
 
Sure Mario games shouldn't suddenly turn into FPS', but Nintendo is a big company and Polyphony Digital pretty much only makes Gran Turismo games.
It's not black and white, the advantage is Nintendo can make a very polished game a lot of people are asking for. The disadvantage is we've never seen anything close to as revolutionary as Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time. That's a huge task, but I just find it a bit depressing seeing them not try things like that anymore.

You can't try things like that anymore, it just doesn't exist. There won't be anything like transitioning from 2D to 3D, some people consider VR as big of a transition, but that's just another form of 3D.

It's like people expect them to invent time travel, they can't make something that isn't possible.
 

Caladrius

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For the love of god, wait 2 weeks for E3. No one should be like someone in this thread and buy a console now, when there is a decent chance they get price cuts.

I wasn't thinking ahead!

I was just like "fuck it, I'm getting a next-gen console now." And Mister Chef was whispering to me in his smooth, rough voice.
 

Sai-kun

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How's everyone's Wednesday so far?


Kris Slater is the hottest str8 pornstar I've ever seen

hm as far as straight porn goes i'm kind of a fan from the guy who just goes by 'jake' from x-art. Smooth, muscular, stoic face, brown, and doesn't have a stupid moaning voice? Sold.

Maybe I'm not googling correctly but he doesn't look very brown :0

hm his profile page on the site doesn't always have great images. idk his exact race but in videos he generally looks pretty golden brown
 

RM8

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hm as far as straight porn goes i'm kind of a fan from the guy who just goes by 'jake' from x-art. Smooth, muscular, stoic face, brown, and doesn't have a stupid moaning voice? Sold.
Maybe I'm not googling correctly but he doesn't look very brown :0
 
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Feeling powerless and perpetually ignored is a terrible state of being. If anyone here is feeling/has felt that way because of circumstances outside of their control, I hope things change for you soon.

On a different note, I really appreciate what Laverne Cox wrote about the response to Caitlyn Jenner. It speaks a lot to the doubts I had after commenting on Caitlyn's appearance. Here's the article and one of the parts that resonated with me:

Laverne Cox said:
But what I think they meant [critics who felt disheartened by Ms. Cox's "gorgeous" appearance on Time's cover] is that in certain lighting, at certain angles I am able to embody certain cisnormative beauty standards. Now, there are many trans folks because of genetics and/or lack of material access who will never be able to embody these standards. More importantly many trans folks don’t want to embody them and we shouldn’t have to to be seen as ourselves and respected as ourselves .
 

Ty4on

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You can't try things like that anymore, it just doesn't exist. There won't be anything like transitioning from 2D to 3D, some people consider VR as big of a transition, but that's just another form of 3D.

It's like people expect them to invent time travel, they can't make something that isn't possible.
Addressing this sentiment, the jump to 3D in itself was not that big of a deal and not new at the time. A bunch of games has done it before, but Nintendo managed to invent control schemes that are basically still in use today. On top of that the games were took advantage of this new world by opening up exploration never seen before.

Such a huge revolution is hard to do again, but there have been big changes after 1996. Most prominent is probably online multiplayer which can either be split screen at a distance or a completely different game and it's far from thought out. The extra power means worlds can be bigger and have given us Minecraft which has a world way larger than our own planet.
Nintendo hasn't really taken advantage of either of those. They've used the bump in power to boost graphics and storage to get more characters and multiplayer to make split screen at a distance, but not to create something fundamentally impossible on the N64. Not that they're the only one, but that's a different discussion so, bonne nuit :p
opps. forgot twitter can have nude pics
lol
I love how their algorithm skips nudes and flags underwear.
 

Sai-kun

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I'm finishing up a volunteer shift at a local homeless shelter and after that will be off to get dinner with my roommates.

They make dinner here every night for the guests though, and they offered me some tonight. It was so tempting. They made pasta and chicken that looked crazy good.

So now I'm sitting here waiting for my shift to end and kind of salivating with hunger >:/
 
I forgot today was Wednesday. A few more days till E3. How's your Wednesday going?

Kris Slater? *Googles*

Okay. Woke up late. Like 1pm late.

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It's a beautiful day!

He looks better clean shaven

he did some gay stuff early on and has done some dildo/strapon stuff within the last few years

hm as far as straight porn goes i'm kind of a fan from the guy who just goes by 'jake' from x-art. Smooth, muscular, stoic face, brown, and doesn't have a stupid moaning voice? Sold.



hm his profile page on the site doesn't always have great images. idk his exact race but in videos he generally looks pretty golden brown

There are three str8 porn actors that I wouldn't mind having "fun" with. Seth Gamble, Kris Slater, and Phat Zane.

Addressing this sentiment, the jump to 3D in itself was not that big of a deal and not new at the time. A bunch of games has done it before, but Nintendo managed to invent control schemes that are basically still in use today. On top of that the games were took advantage of this new world by opening up exploration never seen before.

Such a huge revolution is hard to do again, but there have been big changes after 1996. Most prominent is probably online multiplayer which can either be split screen at a distance or a completely different game and it's far from thought out. The extra power means worlds can be bigger and have given us Minecraft which has a world way larger than our own planet.
Nintendo hasn't really taken advantage of either of those. They've used the bump in power to boost graphics and storage to get more characters and multiplayer to make split screen at a distance, but not to create something fundamentally impossible on the N64. Not that they're the only one, but that's a different discussion so, bonne nuit :p

I love how their algorithm skips nudes and flags underwear.

Actually it was a big deal. The 64 was the first console geared toward 3D graphics. The only other way to see 3D graphics was in the arcades (and even that was only relegated towards a few fighting games like VirtuaFighter). Sony's big mantra at the time with the PS1 wasn't 3D graphics but was the CD technology and how they're games were more "mature" than Nintendo's or Sega's.
 
I think that has nothing to do with ambition. The thing that made OoT and 64 so impressive is that they brought a new perspective to their respective genre and made it work. But you're not going to see a paradigm shift in the entire industry as huge as the switch from 2D to 3D, so it's pretty much impossible to bring anything that will ever feel like such a big change and it's kind of disingenuous to ask them to do it.

So true. You're never going to see a game as impactful as Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time, at least not anytime soon. Nintendo does their own thing very well, their games are incredibly varied and polished. Stan for life tbqh.
 
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Addressing this sentiment, the jump to 3D in itself was not that big of a deal and not new at the time. A bunch of games has done it before, but Nintendo managed to invent control schemes that are basically still in use today. On top of that the games were took advantage of this new world by opening up exploration never seen before.

Such a huge revolution is hard to do again, but there have been big changes after 1996. Most prominent is probably online multiplayer which can either be split screen at a distance or a completely different game and it's far from thought out. The extra power means worlds can be bigger and have given us Minecraft which has a world way larger than our own planet.
Nintendo hasn't really taken advantage of either of those. They've used the bump in power to boost graphics and storage to get more characters and multiplayer to make split screen at a distance, but not to create something fundamentally impossible on the N64. Not that they're the only one, but that's a different discussion so, bonne nuit :p

I agree with you almost 100%. I think StreetPass, or that asynchronous sleep-mode multiplayer that began with Nintendogs, is a really interesting design choice/philosophy that took advantage of the advent of WiFi and in some ways was a total shift of how multiplayer should work. It kind of also blurs the line between "local" and "distant" multiplayer. I don't know enough about video game design to know if Nintendo was really the first in this arena, but I'd say that was an inventive use of tech and maybe the earliest well-known example of it. StreetPass, for me, is a very fascinating system to analyze against other traditional forms of "interaction" in video games. You could probably make some cases for how Nintendo has kind of manufactured the hardware circumstances for innovation (mostly thinking of the DS) in more recent years.

All of that said, I still agree with you that Nintendo's influence as a developer has waned a bit compared against their 80s and 90s work, and that generally, nothing has really been as fundamentally influential across so many games as that stuff. A fair amount of their work on DS and Wii created market booms in certain genres (Nintendogs, Brain Age, Wii Sports, Wii Fit), but that's more innovation within a genre (or creating a genre), rather than base-level ideas that influence how people experience video games across many genres. I think part of this is simply because of how many studios exist today creating content and putting out new ideas, so I think this is a good thing. :)
 

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Fallout 4 looking so modest graphically that everyone feels sure it was secretly cross gen for at least a while lol
 
Fallout 4 looking so modest graphically that everyone feels sure it was secretly cross gen for at least a while lol

Honestly, I don't mind it being not a graphical powerhouse so long as the art-direction is actually nice and, the game isn't released with a lot of bugs.
 

Kater

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Nintendo should punish you all for not buying The Wonderful 101 and Code Name STEAM by releasing 10 new New Super Mario Bros. during 2016 :p

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That's just horrible.

The graphics look fine to me personally. I was watching some Fallout 3/NV games and those games were always pretty damn ugly from the looks of it, lol.
Yup, Fallout only shines with mods. Check out nexusmods.com, they have a section dedicated to New Vegas mods. Some excellent work there from some very talented folk.
 

Kater

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Fallout 4 will also be available on Playstation 3 and Xbox 360. This version is also being developed by Bethesda Game Studios, but will release a year after the advanced version. This version runs on the Creation Engine, the same engine that powered Skyrim. This is being done so that PS3/360 users can play the game without problem. Everything will be the same in this version as the advanced version, except for the graphics, gameplay and some additional features.

RIP last gen consoles

They really want to fuck over those last gen console players. And it even has less features, wow. What a waste of time, Bethesda.
 

Son Of D

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This version runs on the Creation Engine, the same engine that powered Skyrim. This is being done so that PS3/360 users can play the game without problem.

Uhh... Am I missing something here?

Also wait, is it actually cross-gen?
 

daripad

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I really lost hope today.

Saw a couple, they weren't good looking but they looked cute togheter, they were even wearing the same clothes.

They were holding hands, not giving a shit about what people could said about them and I was like "daaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwww".

Then, they started hugging and lightly kissed and then my father got on his nerves and shook his head almost in front of them and started to hurry up to get to the exit door :(

So yeah, I'm fucked and not in a good way
 

Kevyt

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Fallout 4 looking so modest graphically that everyone feels sure it was secretly cross gen for at least a while lol


RIP last gen consoles

They really want to fuck over those last gen console players. And it even has less features, wow. What a waste of time, Bethesda.

Uhh... Am I missing something here?

Also wait, is it actually cross-gen?

Yeah, Bethesda is about to get sued for lying. Lol.

Knew it was cross-gen. This game has been in development for YEARS, it obviously started out on the old gen consoles.

So they blatantly lied?

Bethesda, stahp.

Hey all, I called it first!:

I'm pretty sure that Fallout 4 is cross-gen and here's why: I think that fallout 4 has been in development for a long time, meaning that it was originally gonna be a 360/ps3/pc title, but as the PS4 and Xbox One were announced and released, development was carried to next gen as well. Similar to what happen with Ryse for the Xbox One.

There was a rumor from a while back that Fallout 4 was in development, and I'm thinking that development began with the 360/ps3 in mind, but Bethesda was aware that the PS4 and next Xbox would arrive soon. Cross-gen Fallout 4 incoming.

I knew it!

I should be one of those palm reader/future teller persons that you see at circus/weird places. :p
 

Crayons

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I really lost hope today.

Saw a couple, they weren't good looking but they looked cute togheter, they were even wearing the same clothes.

They were holding hands, not giving a shit about what people could said about them and I was like "daaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwww".

Then, they started hugging and lightly kissed and then my father got on his nerves and shook his head almost in front of them and started to hurry up to get to the exit door :(

So yeah, I'm fucked and not in a good way
:( it's okay daripad we're here for you
I know that feel, I really wish homophobes would stop thinking they have to respond with disgust any time they see a gay couple.
 

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Uh hang on guys. There's been no indication from Bethesda that they will release last gen versions of Fallout 4. That quote is from the reddit post.

Do you really think that in late 2016, Bethesda will have spent all that time porting Fallout 4 to a ~2011 engine while adding features like save import from a 2008 game that the flagship current gen version doesn't do?

Sounds fishy to me. Active buyers on last gen is already very small, which is why EA, Sony, and Ubisoft are done with it for their AAAs already. Even Activision seems to be dropping it this year. If there was a last gen version at some point, I'd suspect they let it go or that it is coming much sooner than 1 year after the main release. Late 2016 for a specialized port sounds like bomb sales waiting to happen especially when they had to go through the trouble of separating the engines.

EDIT: Hell, even Bethesda as a publisher has dropped last gen. Wolfenstein: The Old Blood already released current gen only and Doom is current gen only. It's very likely that if there was a last gen version, it's long, long gone and that reddit post is false.
 
I really lost hope today.

Saw a couple, they weren't good looking but they looked cute togheter, they were even wearing the same clothes.

They were holding hands, not giving a shit about what people could said about them and I was like "daaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwww".

Then, they started hugging and lightly kissed and then my father got on his nerves and shook his head almost in front of them and started to hurry up to get to the exit door :(

So yeah, I'm fucked and not in a good way
Sounds like this girl I know who hide every single boyfriend she had til a month ago when she finally got a Hispanic one. Her parents don't like to see any interracial interact let alone dating. So she's openly in denial that she can only love someone of her race and clinging hard on her current guy who is trying to make her lose 20lbs because she's at 140lbs.
 
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